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splifner180
Student


Registered: 03/24/06
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Seriously Dejected
#5622003 - 05/12/06 05:44 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Two days into the second attempt and still nothing, even in the LC.
I'm going to let these seven new jars (and two old jars) incubate for the next two weeks. If I don't see a sign of myc, I'm not going to whine to the vendor, I'm just calling it quits. So far I've got 60+ hours invested in reading these forums, maybe 10 hours invested in tracking down equipment and preparing everything and about $200 in tools. Right now I feel that if I'm stupid enough to continue doing the same thing with no results, I'll just be "throwing good money (and effort) after bad."
Seriously dejected.
splif
PS: That doesn't mean I don't greatly appreciate the help that's been offered.
-------------------- First Grow: Ecuador -> LC -> HPoo/Straw -> Monotub Build a Do-It-Yourself Magnetic Stirrer in thirty minutes with no money.
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monstermitch
Growing in Bags Doesn't Work


Registered: 02/10/06
Posts: 3,911
Loc: Arizona Bay
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sorry to hear your mood.
if nothing changes...nothing changes.
we cannot repeat our behavior expecting different results.
I hear you man.
When I started, I spent like $3000 before I ever even got one mushroom. I was kind of stupid about it all though.
you have learned alot. You do have what it takes to do this, totally.
Let all of the jars be and just forget about it. Things will happen or they won't. After two weeks or three you'll know one way or the other, for sure.
If it doesn't work, try a completely different tek.
Hate to see you give up.
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skeletor
the dude
Registered: 09/06/05
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you spend 3 grand HAHAHAH wow man. i spent um 60 canadian? back when there was a difference. some failures were good though i never would have gone to using a PC and gain if pf's worked everytime.
-------------------- im sorry about your mother. She was a terrible attrative woman. Get back to nature; hunting burgers and gathering fries.
Edited by skeletor (05/12/06 06:08 PM)
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Yefet2000
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Registered: 08/24/05
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Hey man...Don't give up. i tried for 3 times before i got something similar to a mushroom. The first time i got it all the way to fruiting and made it get dry and contamed. Second time the jars contamed, Third time i got only myc. growth in the fruiting chamber. But once i got it... it was worth it. i spent the same money and time as you did.just hang on. Good luck  BTW: tow days for germination is nothing. with LC you might see something but spores...give it few days more.
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monstermitch
Growing in Bags Doesn't Work


Registered: 02/10/06
Posts: 3,911
Loc: Arizona Bay
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Re: Seriously Dejected [Re: Yefet2000]
#5622097 - 05/12/06 06:12 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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yup, things can get expensive when they have to make their way to me. Not much available around where I'm living. So the moral is that I was worse off than you splif, and stuck with it. Now I am eternally grateful for sticking with it and have found a life long endeavor of learning and joy.
This hobby is not for everyone, that is for sure. I bet this hobby is for you though, you're quite intuitive.
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EquilibriuM
dream stalker

Registered: 07/17/05
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"Right now I feel that if I'm stupid enough to continue doing the same thing with no results, I'll just be "throwing good money (and effort) after bad"
You have the wrong attitude. Keep trying till you get it! Patience, hard work and perseverance. THIS IS A CHALLENGE!
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Atheist
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Registered: 01/24/06
Posts: 13,705
Loc: USA
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Wow I can't believe you blew 3 grand on this shit. Total I've put in like 300 bucks thanks to walmart and the internet. Oh stealing also helps a shitload, like water heaters and shit.
splif, did you get good chunks of myc in your syringes?
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Atheist
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Loc: USA
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Re: Seriously Dejected [Re: Atheist]
#5622295 - 05/12/06 07:01 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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and are you incubating?
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splifner180
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monstermitch writes: "we cannot repeat our behavior expecting different results."
This is precisely my problem. I'm not failing in any tangible sense. I just know nothing is growing. Not even bad things. It's one thing to give up because you're sick of failure. It's something completely different to quit because you have no idea what you're doing wrong.
Yefet2000 writes: "Hey man...Don't give up. i tried for 3 times before i got something similar to a mushroom. The first time i got it all the way to fruiting and made it get dry and contamed."
I would jump for joy if I got a contamination at this point. I'm tempted to just open a jar and breathe into it to see SOMETHING colonize my jars.
SpicyTunaRoll writes: "splif, did you get good chunks of myc in your syringes? "
Myc? I should hope not.
I assume you're asking about spores and no, they were crystal clear. I started a thread and the general consensus seems to be that this is OK.
"and are you incubating? "
Yes. I've got an Igloo with a heatbomb that keeps the container at 82-86F. The temp can go as low as 80F and as high as 89F, but that's rare (when I'm at work). I've placed the temp probe as close to the heat source as any of the jars to make sure I'm not mis-sampling and underestimating my temps.
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Like I said, I'm just really pissed that I'm getting zero feedback. I can take failure. I can't take waiting two weeks only to have learned precisely nothing.
My technique is sterile. I've been thinking that maybe my jars are dry but that doesn't explain the dud LCs.
I have infinite patience when I'm learning something. That's just not happening. I think my attitude would be different if I was 100% sure there were viable spores in the syringes.
splif
-------------------- First Grow: Ecuador -> LC -> HPoo/Straw -> Monotub Build a Do-It-Yourself Magnetic Stirrer in thirty minutes with no money.
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monstermitch
Growing in Bags Doesn't Work


Registered: 02/10/06
Posts: 3,911
Loc: Arizona Bay
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no way to be 100% sure in your case.
if you had agar, you could try that. But the liquid culutre usually works at the same speed.
If it comes down to it, contact your vendor. Seriously.
keep the old jars sitting around and await replacement spores. Tell the vendor you want dark syringes. You can absolutely ask for them and they will absolutely oblige. Ralph for sure will oblige.
Get your new dark syringes in the mail and give it a go with them. Who knows? Maybe by the time they show up something will be going in the legacy set. If not consider them dead rockets.
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splifner180
Student


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Loc: USA, East Coast
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monstermitch writes: "If it comes down to it, contact your vendor. Seriously. "
No, because if the vendor can't provide a viable syringe then I'm not going to waste more time and supplies on something else they send me. I'm not saying I'm blaming the vendor. Right now I have no clue what is wrong.
Besides, I paid for one syringe, he sent me two and I won a third (that hasn't yet arrived) for vouching for their quick customer service which was very nice of him/her. I'll probably use the third to do four LCs and if even those fail, stick a fork in me because I'm done. =/
splif
-------------------- First Grow: Ecuador -> LC -> HPoo/Straw -> Monotub Build a Do-It-Yourself Magnetic Stirrer in thirty minutes with no money.
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Atheist
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Registered: 01/24/06
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Loc: USA
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"splif, did you get good chunks of myc in your syringes? "
I thought u didn't get success by using an LC, not that your LC didn't even colonize.
Sorry to hear about your troubles man, if your LCs fail then really, contact your vendor they will probably take care of u.
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Optx
PronouncedAwp-Tiks


Registered: 03/28/05
Posts: 977
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ok, you said nothing at all is growing - not even bad stuff. it sounds to me like you might have injected the spores while the jars were still too hot? how long did you PC your jars, and how long did you let them cool down before inoculation?
-------------------- please do not take everything i say here so personally. welcome to teh internets!
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PrimalFuture993
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Registered: 05/04/06
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Re: Seriously Dejected [Re: Optx]
#5623046 - 05/12/06 09:53 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Hey, I'm a noob. Grew some PF cakes once with moderate results, but I was thinking exactly what Optx said. That or they got too hot in the mail. Before you get all crazy using more advanced techniques, why don't you try some PF cakes?
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MagicS4Me
Big Time ShroomLover

Registered: 04/17/06
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Loc: Rocky Mountain area
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Don't give up splifner180. I've had bad luck 3 times with cakes after birthing and the 3rd batch I practically did everything to ensure I had a sterile environment while birthing. It was cool to see the myc grow great and cover the jars but terribly discouraging when one by one the cakes would contaminate before fruiting. I almost gave up on the last try but I had 1 syringe of B+ left and thought; what the hell I should give it another try right. After all I already have all the equipment and supplies. So far all six jars have fully colonized and turned out great except that one has got some brown pussy fluid looking contam.
 That's discouraging because that'll be my first time with contam before birthing. I'll get rid of that one and hope for the best.
-------------------- If our country was founded on a belief in a higher power (God) then how can shrooms, totally natural and physically harmless, be bad?
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TrippleM
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Registered: 04/27/05
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Re: Seriously Dejected [Re: MagicS4Me]
#6065178 - 09/15/06 03:29 PM (17 years, 4 months ago) |
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Dude, I feel your pain but hear me when I tell you that the first time you get a really good flush of shrooms IT'S WORTH IT !!!
Every time I see the first signs of myc, or see the first pin, or see a really nice flush IT'S LIKE FUCKING CHRISTMAS !
But that's just me. If you want to quit, sorry to see you go.
Tripple M
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