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shroomie_glen
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Can my cat trip with me?
#5620027 - 05/12/06 02:54 AM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Hey fellow shroomers, i have a SERIOUS question. Can my buddy mister whiskers trip with me? It would be appreciated if anyone with experience could explain whether or not it is possible to feed my feline friend freshly picked ones on friday, and if so, then how do i dose him? Oh by the way, mister whiskers is a very chill cat and if it is possible physiologically for him to trip, then i know he can handle the task. Someone please help me!
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Naw that would be really cruel since the cat would be like "wtf??????" and start to wig out big time. Not a good idea.
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I think feeding mushrooms to your cat is a bad idea. Humans evolved with hallucinogens which is part of the reason they work well for us. Cats didn't. Furthermore, your cat wouldn't know why he/she was seeing crazy things even if it did affect your cat the same way. Imagine that you ate some food one day and then started hallucinating. If you knew nothing about hallucinogens, you would be VERY scared. Don't do that to your cat. Your cat will not understand. You can't explain to a cat that this is a drug and that it will pass with time. It would be like giving a two year old mushrooms. Not a great idea. Your concern for your cat and your desire to bond with your cat is admirable, but I think it would be best to just eat them yourself and have your cat there with you.
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Re: Can my cat trip with me? [Re: dumbsnake34]
#5620155 - 05/12/06 04:41 AM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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For fuck's sake, leave your cat alone. It's a cat and it lives a cat life and does cat stuff. And thats the way it should stay. Cats don't eat mushrooms. I fucking hate people that try to get their pets high, be it weed or what not. Such people shouldn't be allowed to have animals around them in the first place.
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I wouldn't recommend you to give him shrooms because he might get really scared. Although some cats love to get high... mine for example, when I used to grow weed at home I had my cat all over the plants, eating them and them acting all funny. But if you say that you want to trip with your cat, you take the shrooms and let him stay near you. Cause you know, cats feel a bunch a stuff from us and he'll probably have some idea about what's happening to you. At least mine seems to know what's going on because every time I trip and I'm with my cat, he just keeps looking at me, meowing from time to time and goes everywhere I go the whole time I'm tripping.
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don't dose your pets!
just trip yourself, your cat will be tripping from your good vibes
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Re: Can my cat trip with me? [Re: nea]
#5620266 - 05/12/06 06:41 AM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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nea said: For fuck's sake, leave your cat alone. It's a cat and it lives a cat life and does cat stuff. And thats the way it should stay. Cats don't eat mushrooms. I fucking hate people that try to get their pets high, be it weed or what not. Such people shouldn't be allowed to have animals around them in the first place.
I know some cats and dogs that absolutely BEG for exhales whenever they see a blunt being lit up!
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Re: Can my cat trip with me? [Re: KingSpade]
#5620294 - 05/12/06 07:06 AM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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lay down the blotter pussy!
on a serious note though, i would consider it very wrong to do that to a cat considering the effects/behaviours may be relatively unkown in a cat
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Poor Mister Wiskers !
Cats like catnip, suppose they get something off it. I would'nt try and feed my cat shrooms tho !
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NO, the poor thing would probably end up in the street, getting run over!
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Re: Can my cat trip with me? [Re: rod]
#5620319 - 05/12/06 07:53 AM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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trip with your cat, he/she doesnt have to be tripping. pets are my favorite on shrooms! i always get such good vibes from my animals.
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Re: Can my cat trip with me? [Re: KingSpade]
#5620337 - 05/12/06 08:10 AM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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nea said: I know some cats and dogs that absolutely BEG for exhales whenever they see a blunt being lit up!
I got a friend who wakes up every morning with his sack, papers, and lighter sitting before him. His dog roots each out and brings it to him, and when toking enjoys close company. I've got pictures of the dog trying to light a joint. Pretty smart for a mut named killer, B.
I once fed my cat shrooms. It died.
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Re: Can my cat trip with me? [Re: onetwo4]
#5620368 - 05/12/06 08:29 AM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Well time to get my ass chewed out.
  
Ive givin my dog(chihuahua) shrooms on three occations, he absolutly LOVES peanut BUDder, and peanut butter, but he always eats the peanut budder a lot faster. hhhm, I wonder why? So what I would do is chop up my shrooms REALlY smalland mix them in peanut butter, he ate them like a champ. The first two doses were small, about an american quarter size amount (no scale) of FRESH shrooms and he had a very chilled out two days just running around with big ASS puppils and chasing his tale, I could not leave him alone or else he would wine like a bitch. At one point he started barking at the floor, very funny. I did not sense any fear from him at all, I took him on a walk He LOVED that, Ive never seen him so excited to go for a walk. On both occations he tried to fuck my cat, she didnt like that, then he didnt either, he got scratched.hehehe.All and all on his first two trips he had good times. But as for the third, thats a whole other story, I gave him a huge mushroom, about 10x his first two doses, it would have been enough for a high level one trip for me. that was my bad and I noticed he was very deppressed for a week after that trip. Be carefull, start REAL small, if you have a scale try weighing your cat, then weigh yourself so if you weighed 150 and s/he weighed 10, then she weighes a 1/15 of you so 2 grams say divided by 15 so somethin like 0.13 grams dry, or about 1.3 grams wet, Id go with wet for wieghing ease. And maybe to start cut that in half, about 0.65 grams wet. Good luck Im all for the excellarated evolution of our house pets
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Re: Can my cat trip with me? [Re: nea]
#5620372 - 05/12/06 08:32 AM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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nea said: For fuck's sake, leave your cat alone. It's a cat and it lives a cat life and does cat stuff. And thats the way it should stay. Cats don't eat mushrooms. I fucking hate people that try to get their pets high, be it weed or what not. Such people shouldn't be allowed to have animals around them in the first place.
This post made me laugh my ass off.................but yeah i agree with everyone here, the cat would get very scared, Tho i am wondering about an extremely small dose. Say .2 grams.
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Re: Can my cat trip with me? [Re: Hank, FTW]
#5620553 - 05/12/06 09:51 AM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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if you want your cat to trip with you, you cant force him/her to do it. ive seen this happen before. all you do, is leave your kitty in the kitchen with some shrooms. leave em up on a window sill or somethin, and see if they eat em. if they do, theyll just trip out and shit. then the next day, put the shroomies up there again with your kitty. if he/she goes for them again, that means they like em. if they dont, that means they didnt enjoy it. if mr whiskers likes shroomies, then congradulations!
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Re: Can my cat trip with me? [Re: nea]
#5620645 - 05/12/06 10:15 AM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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nea said: I fucking hate people that try to get their pets high, be it WEED or what not. Such people shouldn't be allowed to have animals around them in the first place.
whats wrong with getting your pet stoned? i agree with not giving them shrooms cause thats way more crazy, but theres nothing wrong with smoking them up.. in every case ive seen the dog seems to like it,my freinds dog goes crazy anytime i pull out some bud.
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Re: Can my cat trip with me? [Re: mateoonfire]
#5621116 - 05/12/06 12:23 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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i guess me and your dog have a lot in common!
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Re: Can my cat trip with me? [Re: zappa]
#5621220 - 05/12/06 12:55 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Would you let your 4-year-old son inhale pot smoke? Blow smoke into his face cause he seems to like it and giggles a lot. How funny!! Not. I treat my pets the same way I'd treat my children. Also it can be very difficult to determine the true motive behind the animal seemingly wanting to inhale pot smoke. Pets often copy their owner's behaviour and your pet seeing you inhale and exhale smoke can very well be the reason for this. I also believe the animals don't necessarily understand what's happening to them which again can cause stress.
Pot smoke is not exactly the healthiest thing to inhale either. Having your pet inhale smoke daily can have severe physical consequences later on. Not to mention possible addiction, who knows how animals react to frequent drug intake? I just see absolutely no point in drugging up your animal, it can live a perfectly happy sober life. Why take a risk when it serves no purpose?
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Re: Can my cat trip with me? [Re: nea]
#5621298 - 05/12/06 01:32 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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The purpose is to share the experience with them, like many people want to give thier friends shrooms after they try it, exept your pet does not really truely understand whats happening, but I trip out with how my dog will eat peanut BUDder over normle peanut butter. I believe my dog knows that the odd tasting peanut budder will make the room spin, and he like it when the room spins. He just doesnt understand that its really him spining. I have stopped giving my dog peanut butter unless it has something in it so he can learn that peanut butter=wierded out house. The thing is that if he didnt like it why would he continously eat peanut butter. Like the cat why would it eat the shrooms if it didnt like them. Tho I think a cat would generally shy away from a shroom as it just looks wierd, and maybe out of instinct, the same with my dog. I know theres a diffrence between my dog eating peanut butter over and over even tho it fucks the world up and him eating raw shrooms cuz he knows it will fuck the world up, he may just like peanut butter so much he doesnt care if it screws with the world, at least it doesnt fuck with him .
We to were just 'animals' at one point, why was it not wrong for us to eat shrooms or some other active plant? Maybe the shrooms will help animals become more tranquil and more playfull, I know thats what they did to Petrie (my dog), exept in EXCESSIVE amounts, I would pet him and he would piss everywhere, but only when I touched him. I felt bad and feel bad for giving my dog that much, but in small amount once you see that it is affecting your animal, then its time to stop uping the dose and leave it at that, at least for a year so they can really understand that mushies have powers to change the world "around" you.
Ever wonder why a magi's mana is always blue? Me to. I could so see old men boiling shrooms into some concoction and it turning blue. Then they lock themselves in a dungeon for days and shoot fire balls at eachother and to stay alive (or to Revitalize them) they take a potion that was made with ephedra and somehow (would be very easy) make it red, that way you dont convuse the two and take too much mana, and wind up laughing your ass off rolling around on the ground, all the while some big huge dragon is tearing apart your soul, but some how you defeat it, and you tell all the people in the world of your adventures and become Merlin. Thus dungeons and dragons was invented by the ingestion of shrooms. 
just a thought.
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Re: Can my cat trip with me? [Re: Mr_Spliff]
#5621569 - 05/12/06 03:09 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Go for it, might as well give Mister Whiskers a 1/4 hit of acid too.
And mescaline.. PCP Special K jimson weed heroin.
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Re: Can my cat trip with me? *DELETED* [Re: shroomie_glen]
#5621577 - 05/12/06 03:13 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Re: Can my cat trip with me? [Re: Tamadragon]
#5621592 - 05/12/06 03:16 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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shroomie_glen said: Hey fellow shroomers, i have a SERIOUS question. Can my buddy mister whiskers trip with me? It would be appreciated if anyone with experience could explain whether or not it is possible to feed my feline friend freshly picked ones on friday, and if so, then how do i dose him? Oh by the way, mister whiskers is a very chill cat and if it is possible physiologically for him to trip, then i know he can handle the task. Someone please help me!
I'm telling PETA on you. asshole
Hopefully that wasn't serious. Giving a cat mushrooms is pretty fucked up, but in the end its his decision.
Being a rat would make you an even bigger asshole.
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Re: Can my cat trip with me? [Re: lozl]
#5621660 - 05/12/06 03:37 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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me and my friend fed shrooms to this hamster we found in my front yard(yeah weird) and he had a great fucking time from what i could tell. He kept running into walls and when we turned some trip music on he'd hold still and trance out . By the way he didn't die
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The thing to remember here is that animals can't make a consciencious choice. If you leave them out, animals are curious and will eat them.
Also, dogs WILL eat themselves to death given the opportunity, so saying "well it eats budbutter all the time" doesn't mean it likes it. It just means that it's a f*cking dog! You shouldn't even smoke in your house if there are animals there. They didn't ask for it, and they can't handle it, even if they seem like they're having a good time.
And the shroom side of things, wtf!? You @ssholes do realise that this is animal abuse don't you? For F*ck sake, trip out or get high, and see how your pets react when they're straight. They pick up on whats happening. So, don't give them drugs cos they don't f*cking need them.
I genuinely hope that everyone of you pricks who give your animals drugs cos you think its cool or funny, or even if you want to "share the experience" gets a cheese grater taken to your genitals and is left to bleed dry. I f*ckin hate animal abuse. You may think you love your pet and wanna share the experience, but if you really loved them you wouldn't be able to contemplate giving them drugs.
You can all go and f*cking die.
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Re: Can my cat trip with me? [Re: nea]
#5621691 - 05/12/06 03:48 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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nea said: Would you let your 4-year-old son inhale pot smoke? Blow smoke into his face cause he seems to like it and giggles a lot. How funny!! Not. I treat my pets the same way I'd treat my children. Also it can be very difficult to determine the true motive behind the animal seemingly wanting to inhale pot smoke. Pets often copy their owner's behaviour and your pet seeing you inhale and exhale smoke can very well be the reason for this. I also believe the animals don't necessarily understand what's happening to them which again can cause stress.
Pot smoke is not exactly the healthiest thing to inhale either. Having your pet inhale smoke daily can have severe physical consequences later on. Not to mention possible addiction, who knows how animals react to frequent drug intake? I just see absolutely no point in drugging up your animal, it can live a perfectly happy sober life. Why take a risk when it serves no purpose?
that's your problem. pets are meant as companions. that's their job. to be friend with you, even if no one else likes you. your children, are not your friends, and if they are, you're not parenting them. it's quite different to smoke a joint with your friend than to hit one with your child.
as for you not seeing a point in "drugging up your animal, it can live a happy life sober" etc....the same applies to humans. why would you drug yourself up if you can be happy sober? the answer is because, you like it, it makes you feel good, it helps you think differently, whatever. considering animals like getting stoned or tripping too, why would you deny them of that? they may not be humans, but they can certainly tell what they like.
if you say that animals are too good for drugs, which is essentially what you are saying, then you need to do some serious thinking.
humans - your brothers and sisters, all get stoned and trip and whatever else, and that's fine because they 'have the mental capacity to understand it' etc. does it not stand to reason that animals can understand it in a different way; on a different level?
you can't have it both ways.
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Re: Can my cat trip with me? *DELETED* [Re: lozl]
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Re: Can my cat trip with me? [Re: Tamadragon]
#5621790 - 05/12/06 04:19 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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errrrr, thats stupid. your not harming them, like he said their your bros and sis, thats whay tripin with them is cool. your not harming them. what about animals that eat shrooms at will? snag a little bit from you when your harvesting? their not harming themselfs, and your not harming them. so y would you giving them some be so diffrent? a wild cat or dog is rumiging through the forest, and hasnt had a meal. oh look a patch of mushrooms. they nibble a little off, and bam. their trippin. ive ben mushroom hunting and seen shrooms that had some nibbled off, wether it be by foxes, deer, or any other animal. its natrual in nature to be curious, the only diff. in domestic animals is there with their companions. its afe in small amounts. if you feed them 2-5 grams ya thats sad. but small doeses moderatly should be ok for them. your not poisening them, or killing them, beating them etc. my dog will eat anything, thats her choice. I dont stop her, so if she wanted to eat some shrooms, im not going to say no. its not like im puting my dick in her and holding her down. in nature animals have a natrual "defense" against poisinous substences. they know not to eat it. but shrooms arnt poisonous, so what then? do they eat it or walk away?
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I could see your cat committing suicide and/or think it is already dying/insane. I wouldn't do it but if someone was set on doing this cruel thing it would best be done in increments: 1 day .1 then .25 the next month so it learns what to expect, however DON'T DO IT if you care about Mr Whiskers he will probably attack you or himself.
Also: some chemicals are poison to them that we are fine with
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Re: Can my cat trip with me? [Re: PsychMike]
#5621845 - 05/12/06 04:47 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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PsychMike said: The thing to remember here is that animals can't make a consciencious choice. If you leave them out, animals are curious and will eat them.
Also, dogs WILL eat themselves to death given the opportunity, so saying "well it eats budbutter all the time" doesn't mean it likes it. It just means that it's a f*cking dog! You shouldn't even smoke in your house if there are animals there. They didn't ask for it, and they can't handle it, even if they seem like they're having a good time.
And the shroom side of things, wtf!? You @ssholes do realise that this is animal abuse don't you? For F*ck sake, trip out or get high, and see how your pets react when they're straight. They pick up on whats happening. So, don't give them drugs cos they don't f*cking need them.
I genuinely hope that everyone of you pricks who give your animals drugs cos you think its cool or funny, or even if you want to "share the experience" gets a cheese grater taken to your genitals and is left to bleed dry. I f*ckin hate animal abuse. You may think you love your pet and wanna share the experience, but if you really loved them you wouldn't be able to contemplate giving them drugs.
You can all go and f*cking die.
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Re: Can my cat trip with me? [Re: DeathCompany]
#5621889 - 05/12/06 05:04 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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no he's not. You just haven't realized that animals are just as much alive as we are and they don't deserve to be abused just as we don't. You have no idea what they are experiencing on drugs. It could be good or bad, but you should not assume they will be ok.
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Re: Can my cat trip with me? [Re: stefan]
#5621895 - 05/12/06 05:09 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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stefan said: don't dose your pets!
just trip yourself, your cat will be tripping from your good vibes
Eggs-actly, that's what got me off meth, seeing a room full of assholes cut off a cat's whiskers(their main source of equillibrium) and shoot it with speed and find perverse satisfaction watching it bounce of the walls
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Some strong opinions out there.
Animals can decide for themselves whether they like something or not. They can link an action with a reaction - cause and effect. Unfortunately they need to take the drug a few times before the link is stong enough for them to "click", and thats where they could have a bad time. But if the levels are low enough its probably ok.
Like the above poster - with his penut butter , the dog obviously understands the link between the two. If he is super eager to eat it, he is making a choice.
Just like if you gave a dog 5 whole mushrooms, next time around I doubt he'd eat be so eager.
Now as for the toxicity in cats and dogs to mushrooms, I doubt there's any data. They are probably just as toxic to us as them, but you cant be 100% sure. Just like the dog eating chocolate thing. The actual amounts of chemicals ingested are very small, and I doubt its detrimental. Like a dog will be fine with 1/2 a piece of chocolate.
The guy whos cat died - can you elaborate? Were you joking? (that info might change the picture)
One thing to be aware of is that the amount of time between when the animal eats the drug and when the effects come on. If it is too long the animal cant associate the two as easily.
SO if you are going to give your animal drugs, I would use conditioning so that the animal can make a decision later on about whether or not it likes the feeling.
My suggestion is (and this is weird but it will work), take the animal somewhere odd, say into the bathroom and give it dog/cat treat. Do this until the animal knows its getting a treat when you take it to the bathroom. Then give the (small) dose instead of the treat, and keep giving if the animal remains keen.
It can decide, and you'll be able to tell whether it likes "going to the bathroom".  Animals can make choices, but you do have to "force" it to take it in the first place.
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Re: Can my cat trip with me? [Re: Feelers]
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Trip Ur cat out, Fuck it. How many souls does it got to lose anyway? I'll see you in the City Of DIS!!!
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Re: Can my cat trip with me? [Re: dumbsnake34]
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dumbsnake34 said: Humans evolved with hallucinogens which is part of the reason they work well for us.
Is that the scientific explanation? 
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It would be like giving a two year old mushrooms.
And what would that be like? A two year old child directly perceives and experiences life, as they have not established much of a mental sense of identity that would serve to obstruct their experience.
When someone takes mushrooms, it is as though mental barriers are temporarily dissolved - the experience that one has is natural. It isn't produced by the chemicals itself, but their effects on the mind.
I highly doubt a cat is going to wig out and become all fucked up. If anything, they would most likely accumulate a greater sense of awareness in what they are doing, just like us. Our problem is our mind, which causes us to freak out. A cat doesn't have that. 
I am not making any suggestions one way or the other. I personally have gotten my dog, cat, ferrets, and oscars stoned (well, I blew my hits into their tank, I seriously doubt that they got high ). No big deal. My only concern with doing that is the fact that dogs and cats, most animals, in fact, have a far more acute sense of smell, and smoke might damage that.
I heard that blowing a hit in through a dog's ear will get them more high, but its still sinus passages, so it'll probably fuck their nose anyways.
If your cat is naturally good-natured, and lives in a good environment in which nothing would harm or scare it, then I think mushrooms might enchance their experience of their already perfectly in-tune life. 
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When you think about it, you're helping your pet by giving him or her a home. If you feel they should try mushrooms, give them a chance. However, don't ram them down their throat. I don't really have an opinion on it. I don't think I'd ever give shrooms to my kitty, but he's old and I wouldn't want him to hurt himself. I would like him to be present for my first trip (soon, got the mushrooms! ), but as for dosing him as well, I think I'll keep the mushies for myself.
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ThreePieceSuit said: When you think about it, you're helping your pet by giving him or her a home. If you feel they should try mushrooms, give them a chance. However, don't ram them down their throat.
Well, the animal is probably not going to feel inclined to consume mushrooms. My dog would, he is a scavenger. He will eat bird seed, for instance. They wouldn't force themselves to eat something for the experience that doing so would produce.
If it would even produce anything. I'd have to assume that the mamillian brain shares a lot of similarities, and perhaps they would have similar effects as well. We need to commission a veterinarian and an animal psychologist for a community project study in order to determine if we should dose our pets or not.
I realize that everyone is quick to scream "no!" to dosing one's pets, and yet I feel that they probably don't have much to base that assertion on, unless they have actually done so and the experience was negative for the animal. 
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I think I'll keep the mushies for myself.
Same here. The last time I tripped, I teased my dog with one, and he was ready to eat it, but I was like "fuck you, bitch, this is mine".
It's sort of like that episode of the Simpsons, where Frink is the scab kindergarden teacher when the teacher's union goes on strike.
"Can I play with it?"
"No, you won't enjoy it on as many levels as I will... oooh, look at the colors, children!" 
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chill with ur cat when ur tripping.
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We have no idea how animals feel, we have no idea what goes on in their head, it would just be irresponsible to give an animal such an intense experience with no knowledge of what's going on in its mind, whether it's ready for such an experience, or whether it even wants such an experience. Granted your pet could have a great time. On the other hand animals still have that need to survive instinct and are far more alert of intruders, predators, etc and are always more on edge about them. Animals can develope psychological disorders just like us, would you really want to give your animal something that could potentially scar it and change your pet just based off the assumption that your cat could handle it from what you've observed? Sure it could be a good bonding experience, on the other hand it could end up going horribly wrong leaving you with a pet that freaks out at people or has weird behavioural patterns (such as growling at the air, destroying things, urinating/defficating wherever it happens to be, etc). Personally I don't think it's fair to potentially destroy another animal's mental health without knowing anything about its mentality other than its personality. If it got into your stash and ate something on its own repetatively (showing that the cat has not developed a fear for the mushrooms) then whatever, that's another question, but I still wouldn't purposely dose them or leave them in a spot accesable to the pet just out of the risk that it has an experience that negatively affects it.
Weed's another question. Of course I wouldn't recommend smoking around animals, and I try to keep my dog away from me while smoking, but sometimes he just jumps up on my lap and goes nuts for it and wont get off me. As far as I'm concerned if he hasn't developed a fear to it and is going through so much effort to get it then whatever, he can sit on my lap and get whatever he can off the smoke, still not gonna blow it or wave it infront of his face though...
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Re: Can my cat trip with me? [Re: Konnrade]
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another thought is that fact that tripping highly intensifies your mood, so if your cat was having a bad day it could be terrible. There is no real way to let your cat know he/she needs to stay "with good vibes and places." I can see nothing but disaster in this experiment.
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Re: Can my cat trip with me? [Re: lozl]
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lozl said: Go for it, might as well give Mister Whiskers a 1/4 hit of acid too.
And mescaline.. PCP Special K jimson weed heroin.
Special K is for cats.
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Re: Can my cat trip with me? [Re: grimR]
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wow... drugging your pets? fucking retards.
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Re: Can my cat trip with me? [Re: UlisSausage7]
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dude animals eat mushrooms when they are outside all the time. My cat ate some blue wringers and liberty caps on its own. After eatin 2-5 she decided it wasnt so great and then she just did cat stuff and did a lot of laying and running and laying. It did it on its own and was just fine, it may or may not have tripped.
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Re: Can my cat trip with me? [Re: Taskenti]
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lozl said: Go for it, might as well give Mister Whiskers a 1/4 hit of acid too.
And mescaline.. PCP Special K jimson weed heroin.
Special K is for cats.
amen dude cats are getting the fucking life, you have every right to give your cat a mushroom if u want, you feed it and it has not a need to do jack shit for its own survival.
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Re: Can my cat trip with me? [Re: mikeownow]
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This is a serious question?
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Re: Can my cat trip with me? [Re: hoboblues]
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Cmon now, we are talking about an animal that can be supplied drugs for from the supermarket. I have seen cats frothing at the mouth and rolling around incessantly after munching on wild catnip. My cat ate some shroomage with me, on his own free will, and now is very picky as to when it decides to do it again.
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Re: Can my cat trip with me? [Re: FungusMan]
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 now he's picky...
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Re: Can my cat trip with me? [Re: monstermitch]
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Well, if your cat is as chill as you say he is, and you really want him to trip with you... then I'd say give him a very very small dosage, think about his bodyweight compared to a human's. something like, .1 gram would be sufficient for a 10lb cat.
be careful! make sure Mr. Whiskers really wants to eat the 'shroom though - don't try and force him.
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Re: Can my cat trip with me? [Re: Ashland]
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Ashland said: Well, if your cat is as chill as you say he is, and you really want him to trip with you... then I'd say give him a very very small dosage, think about his bodyweight compared to a human's. something like, .1 gram would be sufficient for a 10lb cat.
be careful! make sure Mr. Whiskers really wants to eat the 'shroom though - don't try and force him.
let him sniff and likc then wait 30 seconds and show it to it again. If it eats good if it decides not to. you are out of luck. no forceing mushrooms down its throat.
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Re: Can my cat trip with me? [Re: Ashland]
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Why not just give it cat nip?
Giving pets psychedelics is abusing them, plain and simple. It's selfish and your risking their health for your entertainment. If your serious about it, talk to a vet before hand.
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Re: Can my cat trip with me? [Re: Akamatsu]
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the psycadelic experience is good for da healths... get rid of that cats evil ego. no not the bird from aladin dip shit.
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Re: Can my cat trip with me? [Re: mikeownow]
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while psychedelics can be good for the mental health of a person (and for the case of the discussion we'll assume animal as well) by they can also wreak havoc on a mind simply not built to handle the experience or a mind that just isn't in the right mood. It's nice that you want to share this wonderful experience with your cats, it's horrifying that you're willing to risk its mental health to do so...
You seem to be forgetting that mushrooms DO come with their own set of dangers, and these dangers are very real if you're not prepared or are unlucky enough to already have some sort of mental disorder. I somehow doubt that an animal which doesn't even know what shrooms are would be able to mentally prepare itself for what could happen, and the odds of it dealing with whatever happens and knowing that it wasn't real seem even smaller. If your cat had an experience and thought it was dying, nausious, in pain, and uncomfortable, do you think it would honestly be able to tell itself "this isn't real". Could you imagine how damaging an experience like that could be to your health if you thought it was real? If you had no way of knowing you'd be fine afterwards? People sometimes freak out thinking they'll get stuck in that state of mind, only different between us and say a cat would be that we can tell ourselves we're being irrational...
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Re: Can my cat trip with me? [Re: StickyWater]
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Everyone running around yelling about an animals right, and how its abusive, maybe they should realize that its just as abusive to yourself to take them. If the animal wants to go on its natural instincts and eat the mushroom it can, just like humans have done for their whole existence.
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Re: Can my cat trip with me? [Re: ClammyJoe]
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Cats have a sweet life its like ther on mushrooms nonstop, no worrys just awsome times man its always awsome
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animals, cats dogs etc. have done "drugs" or substances for sice man had evolved and before. has any one ever seen the national geographic speacial on animals and substances? for ex. bob cat urine or mountain lion urine attracts stray cats, or wild cats(the speacies we call house cats) when they do find it theyl roll in it and it brings the effects, compared to xtc. such as monkeys, Im not sure what island it was but certain typs of giant millipedes secrete a defensive toxin. the monkeys would rub them all over their body and get a high effect off of it. there were countless others. so who are we to choose weather they can or cant trip? like said before, we dont know how animals feel, see, or how they are aware. so why assume the worst will happen? do you realy think man was the only one to discover that shrooms, or mushrooms make you trip? no. Im sure animals have tried it way before man even new they existed. but case in fact, put a little bit on the floor or somthing. not enough to so called "hurt"them( again we dont know) but enough to make them trip slightly, and see if they or it eats it. if it does then fine, it was the cats choice, and apperently it didnt see it as a threat. but if it doesnt take it then its a done deal. theres your awnser. anybody who says it hurts them or its animal abuse are jack asses. why? because we dont know, we cant assume its good for them, but you guys can assume its bad for them? I dont think so.
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You will take shrooms.
Whiskers will take catnip.
It will be fun, and your cat won't be afraid his intestines are in the ceiling.
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forcing animals to take drugs is not cool, if they try it on their own without you having to trick them to take it is okay. if they have a bad experience, NEVER offer it to them again, and even if they do have a good experience I still would not make this a regular thing.
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Re: Can my cat trip with me? [Re: chodamunky]
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Give it just a little bit, like 1/40th of an ounce, and see if it gets into it, and then give it just a little more. if its in the corner freaking out or something, just give it some water and leave it in a well lit room. Most of us have handled really bad trips without persistant fear, and i think your cat will do fine. Just dont do anything mean, let the cat have a good time too
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Re: Can my cat trip with me? [Re: AA2277]
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I know a chick who dosed her cats water with some acid (maybe...40 mics at most) and the cat (normally a very docile animal) scratched her and ran away according to her the cat hasnt been the same since. Cat probly thought she was trying to kill it, or was pissed about having his water dosed. I would imagine shrooms would have a similar effect. I too have dogs that beg for shotguns and then stumble away and roll in the grass.
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Re: Can my cat trip with me? [Re: BatCountry]
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or to make it interesting, feed it 4 or 5 grams. see what happens.
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I dont think I would personally dose a cat. I can see them quite possibly liking it (level one doses type thing) but I think they are just cool as it is.
When I get my pet octopus - now thats gonna be cool to trip with(just me tripping though).
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Re: Can my cat trip with me? [Re: Feelers]
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My cat mister whiskers indeed enjoyed his tri[. I gave him about .2 dry, and he had a jolly time hunting inthe field. Screw all of you who said he wouldnt like it, cause mister whiskers looooved it!
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my friends cat once ate a sheet of acid (he pressed it and always had sheets around) and he came home and the cat was wiggin out and he said now it will just randomly freak out and run into the wall or somethin stupid like that, probably a re-trip
i duno, keep it with you while you trip and try to keep it comfortable
might be a good idea to get it high a few times at least before you make it trip shrooms
or start with a really low dose of mushies as to not freak it out too bad... i duno
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Re: Can my cat trip with me? [Re: TheGus]
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you people are such fucking pussies. give the cat some shrooms and have a good time. you will both be the wiser for it.
just dont post about it on this forum unless you want to read people whining about it for years to come.
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if shrooms are all in your mind and we're human, whats to say your animal is goin to have a bugged out/bad expeireince? i mean as humans we've developed culture, taboo and all of that but with animals the only thing theyve worried bout since the dawn of time is survival
so what im sayin is yea the animal will trip out but i dont even know if itd affect it at the level everyone thinks it would, i mean we trip and we get down to the bare essentials but when the animals trip they're already fuggin half way their
for ex a friends dog happened upon a e-pill lying on a table = it runs around the house and road all night happy and excited as hell so yea the drug was good for it mentally but if that drug had a negative effect on it's personality would ONLY THEN it be considered bad? if that dog saw that pill again honestly i think itd munch it right up with out thinking im gonna bug out...yea!!but rather pill= for me
all im sayin is if the animal is curious bout somethin let em find out, they arent gonna be around forever and they might as well take risk if they wanna as theyd be takin IMO worse risk in the wild
if it was to ratio, but we KNEW there MIGHT be a problem, but we let the animal deal with it instead, that is my definition of abuse. higher species taking advantage of lower species. the way i treat my cat is the same way id treat a friend, with love and the responsibility of GIVING guidence, whether they think they need it or not, but NOT forcing it on them(abuse)
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Re: Can my cat trip with me? [Re: Konyap]
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Well, "other" animals are similar to humans more than you think. There is a bird in New Guinea, with a high standard of living (a lot of spare time). The birds actually make a stage for dancing by clearing an area of its twigs and rocks. They also scrape the stages every surface with wood chips to make everything nice and clean before they dance on the stage. Another example, many dolphins play games with each other such as "pass the seaweed." What I'm trying to say is...a lot of animals, including dogs or cats, may not be much less complex than humans. I think they can trip very hard, but they can't express to you what they experience.
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Re: Can my cat trip with me? [Re: impeachme2]
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 nothing will ever convince me that dosing an animal is a good idea. Just like dosing a human without their consent is a bad idea.
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Re: Can my cat trip with me? [Re: antiPock]
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your cant cant understand that mushroom its eating is gonna get it high, it cant understand how or why its now mindfucked and seeing tracers ect, its probably gonna bad trip and it has no way of letting you know its bad tripping, did you ever think about how a cats hart beats something like 3x faster than ours(cant help if your bad tripping) i dunno just IMO if you wanna make your cat happy next time you eat mush- grab a bit of string or a laser play with it for a while then when its tired pet it(when i trip ill do this for 2-3 hours sometimes, hell i have fun and relax also) your cat will probably have a wayyy better time playing/going outside/getting attn. not trying to bitch or be negitave just my 2 cents
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Re: Can my cat trip with me? [Re: antiPock]
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Personally I agree with aiyobro that by forcing the animal to have it would be considered abuse, however should the kitty eat some shroom (not too much tho ) or lick it & trip then so be it, however I think cats are magical enough when I'm tripping
Plus there's a little worry in the back of my mind that if my kitties tripped they'd freak out, I wouldn't want to worry about that while I was tripping! Lol!
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Re: Can my cat trip with me? [Re: lozl]
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My cat flips out whenever I trip. I don't need to share it with her, she just latches onto the weird vibes and runs with it.
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My cat has tripped before and it wasnt a good experience for her. First of all, I didnt mean for her to trip. I made tea with some mushrooms and put the excess diced shrooms in a pile in my yard. Well the cat licked or ate a small amount and was obviously trippin balls. She took a shit in the middle of the yard and was neurotically scratching at it and just would not stop. I snapped her out of it and cleaned her off and just stayed by her to calm her down. I called her onto the porch so she could lay on a chair and ride out her trip and it took her forever to get across the lawn. I swear she looked at every single blade of grass! once on the porch she paced around for a while but seemed confused as to what to do. I lifted her up and set her on a chair where she remained for the rest of the day and night. Poor cat was a little off the next day but back to normal soon after. I dont recomend doing it intentionally but if it happens its not so bad.
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Re: Can my cat trip with me? [Re: lozl]
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yeah...most animals can barely handle weed. It's an intense high for them. Don't give them shrooms or anything like that...bad idea. Your cat will probably go bonkers and run around to the point of exhaustion, not knowing where it's water dish is because it's so fuckin high. It's almost like animal cruelty if you do that. In fact, I would say it is.
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Animals do not like hallucinogens.
When given the option, they won't administer them. Nobody has ever successfully trained a laboratory animal to self-administer them. This indicates that they do not care for the effects.
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Re: Can my cat trip with me? [Re: lozl]
#7619835 - 11/10/07 06:07 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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your cat most likely will get a contact high anyways. My girlfriend has a kitten, and i came home on acid a couple weekends ago, and it freaked out for hours and hours.
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Re: Can my cat trip with me? [Re: lozl]
#7620157 - 11/10/07 08:00 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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I get my dog ripped. He is a little Pomeranian so 1 or 2 hits from a vaporizer gets him blown.
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Re: Can my cat trip with me? [Re: Konyap]
#7620207 - 11/10/07 08:20 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Can my cat trip with me? #5620027 - 05/12/06 04:54 AM
i thought this thread looked a bit familiar.
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Re: Can my cat trip with me? [Re: waixingren]
#7620391 - 11/10/07 09:35 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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i cant believe no one has posted this............................................................
But of coarse this cat is on LSD, it might act simalar thou
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Re: Can my cat trip with me? [Re: ZShroom]
#7620452 - 11/10/07 10:13 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Animals are alot more instinctive than humans. A human can see something strange and think "wow, thats so cool" and become curious about it. When an animals sees something they dont understand they think of it as a possible threat. There built to survive, they have everything they need built into them, they dont need to learn as much as we do, so there not as curious as us, and intelligently, they get scared.
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you should give ketamine to your cat.
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Re: Can my cat trip with me? [Re: grimR]
#7620661 - 11/10/07 11:47 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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well that cat in the above video is basically experiencing a seizure. I think that video was probably made in the 70's by the looks of it and was used as propaganda. Also, my guess is that the cat is on atleast 1000 mics. I personally dont know if that is what it looks like when a cat eats a hit of lsd, but my guess is that the effect of even one full hit of lsd is not NEARLY that extreem. Not even fucking close. ---------------------------------------------------------------
I have no strong opinion on this matter. Meaning, if you dose your pets im not going to take some extreem stance and start bitching about it as if what I said is the end all be all of truth. I would never give my cat a drug of any sort unless it could save their life.
We often cut our pets balls off, declaw them, put them in human-like mini-cloths, put nasty goo in their paws so they wont get hairballs all over the house, shock collars etc etc. Go figure some people just dont really think it through.
However, I think that if you think it through to the extreem you can justify giving your small mammal a small dose of some psychedelic from a variety of standpoints. I love my cat very much. SHe is so damn smart, and honestly all I need to do is look her in the eyes to know that I would never hurt her or subject her to mind altering experiments. There is some chance she would like it though. There really is. Just another crazy kitty experience seems to be the likely outcome atleast with my weird and ultra-chilled cat.
You cant compare human cognition to small mammal cognition. They wont die if the dose is small enough. From what I have heard, most if not all animals dont have a clue as to what is going on and just roll with it. Only some small mammals would be able to recognize the cause and effect relationship when they eat something thats edible and just sitting there(in some sort of experiment with a number of trails).
All I know is that I would never dose a dog or a cat. I wouldnt dose a person without their knowledge, so I wouldnt dose my damn cat. Seems logical to me. It really is a bit like dosing a small child, but the difference is, you cant compare a small child to any small mammal unless we are talking about an Orangutan/pig/dolphin/crow/etc.
Its true, some cats and dogs like pot smoke for whatever reason, or even like to eat weed if the opportunity presents its self.
With my own pets, I choose to find that out by observing their actions when im smoking pot etc. Im not going to hide drugs in their food or some shit.
There is no doubt that a cat on mushrooms will experience some confusion, but only to a degree they are capable of. They will simply roll with it would be my guess from what I have read. I have a small amount of personal experience with dosing my cat. I was in 8th grade and started smoking pot. My cat was really cool and I had the idea one day that I would blow hits directly into her lungs through her mouth and nose. (mouth over snout without blowing to hard or too much because we dont want kitty's lungs to explode). Well, she had a fucking great time, every time. She would just cuddle, then go play with smoke, then cuddle some more, then act funny as hell and eventually fucking basically passout. Clearly, the cat got VERY stoned.
This is not something I would do today, but damn it.....She got stoned as hell, was having fun/was very excited according to her behavior, and it didnt hurt her much long term if at all.
With all this having been said, I dont wear furs, and wont dose a human or pet without their knowledge........lol.
I would never have "dosed" an animal though. I like my pets just the way they are.
I do think that dosing your pets is a simple reflection of a very fucking immature person. Thats just my opinion. No cheese grater to the genitals necessary as someone else said.....lol
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Re: Can my cat trip with me? [Re: waixingren]
#7620684 - 11/10/07 11:54 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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waixingren said: Can my cat trip with me? #5620027 - 05/12/06 04:54 AM
i thought this thread looked a bit familiar.
oh the memories
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Re: Can my cat trip with me? [Re: takk]
#7620692 - 11/10/07 11:57 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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i'm not saying its a good idea or anything like that at all, but
i do remember reading somewhere that a lot of animals did eat hallucinogens on their own. and continously... not a one time thing, they went back for more.
still i don't know for sure if its a good idea.. you might fuck something up or you might open its mind like we try to open our own. at any rate, do some research before doing anything to make sure your cat doesnt go nuts.
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Re: Can my cat trip with me? [Re: igwna]
#7620960 - 11/11/07 01:36 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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I was smoking bongs with my friends watching t.v. And a silent movie came on. It was about a bear, it went on for ages, we just kind of stared at it in a blank trance. But then, out of the blue, it stumbled upon a patch of amanita's. It seemed to know what it was doing, so it ate several of them. Then it rolled around in the patch, wiping its face with its paws like it was laughing. It was hallarious, a great mid day movie.
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Re: Can my cat trip with me? [Re: DimensionX]
#7621011 - 11/11/07 02:43 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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DimensionX said: I was smoking bongs with my friends watching t.v. And a silent movie came on. It was about a bear, it went on for ages, we just kind of stared at it in a blank trance. But then, out of the blue, it stumbled upon a patch of amanita's. It seemed to know what it was doing, so it ate several of them. Then it rolled around in the patch, wiping its face with its paws like it was laughing. It was hallarious, a great mid day movie.
not only does this sound hilarious, it sounds interesting. my main question is, was it animated or real stuff?
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Re: Can my cat trip with me? [Re: lozl]
#7621027 - 11/11/07 03:27 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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my dog accidently ate some doses my friend dropped on my floor...she was def tripping, you could just tell by the way she was acting...we worked her through the trip though, comforting her and making her feel ok and she was fine... as for weed, like someone said, the dog BEGS for that shit when someone sparks an el or starts blazing when shes around... she loves to kick it with us and take shotties...
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Re: Can my cat trip with me? [Re: igwna]
#7621074 - 11/11/07 04:15 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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It was real. Only problem is I saw it a couple of years ago and i cant remember its name.
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Re: Can my cat trip with me? [Re: lozl]
#7621085 - 11/11/07 04:32 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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dont do it ..
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Re: Can my cat trip with me? [Re: billhicks]
#7621125 - 11/11/07 06:12 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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this thread reminded me of somethin... i watched this kid blow a few hits into his dogs EAR. I was really, really, really stoned at the time and just stared at the dog the whole time. Thinking back, I should have beat that guys ass. The dog got baked and seemed to enjoy it and everything but.. fuck man, it wasnt cool.
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Re: Can my cat trip with me? [Re: mateoonfire]
#7765940 - 12/16/07 03:06 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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nea said: I fucking hate people that try to get their pets high, be it WEED or what not. Such people shouldn't be allowed to have animals around them in the first place.
So, My friend smoked with her dog which had catarax, Which then later was oddly cured, with no medicine except for pot. It does have benefits, and Its not like she was FORCING her dog to inhale the smoke by holding her head, she sat right there with her nose perked up waiting for the hit. So i dont really think of it as a bad thing.
On the other hand im not so sure about shrooms. lol
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Re: Can my cat trip with me? [Re: lozl]
#7766302 - 12/16/07 04:31 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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Ok, for everyone saying "Don't feed your cat mushrooms its cruel, and will scare the cat"
That's bullshit, because i dosed with my cat one time, and yes, he was flipping his lid at first, but he was fine after the initial hour (i have this side effect as well, i cant calm down for the first hour). After we were both chilled out, we were both having alot of fun.
One thing i noticed though, while on mushrooms with my cat...... he doesn't need to be on them to trip on them... its as if he absorbed the experience i am having on them at the moment.
Cat's also protect you whilst tripping.... i found that while my cat was around during all my trips, i saw notihng scary, or threatning. (maybe evil spirits)
Egyptians worshiped cats, and they tripped regularly, and used cats for warding off evil spirits as well. Also because of their spiritual portal pupils 
i honestly think cats are a divine creature, as i have experienced some very religious trips involving cats, and a deceased friend.
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Re: Can my cat trip with me? [Re: RedRainDrop]
#7766374 - 12/16/07 04:51 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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yeah but they're total jerks.
i love my cat though
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Re: Can my cat trip with me? [Re: mateoonfire]
#7767497 - 12/16/07 09:33 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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nea said: I fucking hate people that try to get their pets high, be it WEED or what not. Such people shouldn't be allowed to have animals around them in the first place.
So, My friend smoked with her dog which had catarax, Which then later was oddly cured, with no medicine except for pot. It does have benefits, and Its not like she was FORCING her dog to inhale the smoke by holding her head, she sat right there with her nose perked up waiting for the hit. So i dont really think of it as a bad thing.
On the other hand im not so sure about shrooms. lol
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Re: Can my cat trip with me? [Re: hdovrheels]
#7767515 - 12/16/07 09:37 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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what about parrots...i got a macaw
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Re: Can my cat trip with me? [Re: Achilles]
#7767892 - 12/16/07 11:21 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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On the subject of giving your cats drugs, I don't know if anyone has seen this vid but it obviously shows that animals react alot differently than humans to drugs.
Cat on Acid
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Re: Can my cat trip with me? [Re: RedRainDrop]
#7768273 - 12/17/07 03:09 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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RedRainDrop said: Ok, for everyone saying "Don't feed your cat mushrooms its cruel, and will scare the cat"
That's bullshit, because i dosed with my cat one time
exactly how did you dose him? (just out of interest)
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TheHauntingSoul said: On the subject of giving your cats drugs, I don't know if anyone has seen this vid but it obviously shows that animals react alot differently than humans to drugs.
Cat on Acid
I'd bad trip too if a bunch of scientist pumped heroic doses of LSD into me against my will, put me in a box, and watched me for 12 hours. I'd say give a small dose of mushrooms to the cat. Let the fucker evolve and open his mind, we must have a super cat society in the future.
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Re: Can my cat trip with me? [Re: Chronic7]
#7769302 - 12/17/07 12:13 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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I think cats and dogs are already tripping, naturally. I don't see the need to help them out on that front.
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this reminds me i was going thru a phase of these really nightmarish lucid dreams, back when i wasnt into them nor knew how to enjoy em and my cat managed to pull me out of one right as things were gettin hectic.
i woke up like "thank you!"
never been so happy to have been smacked with a paw in my life
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Re: Can my cat trip with me? [Re: Konyap]
#7770223 - 12/17/07 04:01 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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some people on here are fucking morons, how old are you? honestly? what the fuck ? Grow up, take some fucking responsobility and wake up you little gimps. A dog will eat anything, they know no differnet,to people who say just leave it and let them decide? WTF,i honestly dident think this place was so stupid? "they enjoy it"
O really? do they ? do they come up to you and go "Hey im having a smashing time, we must do this again" ? get fucking real you mugs
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Re: Can my cat trip with me? [Re: Mr_Spliff]
#7770303 - 12/17/07 04:18 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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Mr_Spliff said: The purpose is to share the experience with them, like many people want to give thier friends shrooms after they try it, exept your pet does not really truely understand whats happening, but I trip out with how my dog will eat peanut BUDder over normle peanut butter. I believe my dog knows that the odd tasting peanut budder will make the room spin, and he like it when the room spins. He just doesnt understand that its really him spining. I have stopped giving my dog peanut butter unless it has something in it so he can learn that peanut butter=wierded out house. The thing is that if he didnt like it why would he continously eat peanut butter. Like the cat why would it eat the shrooms if it didnt like them. Tho I think a cat would generally shy away from a shroom as it just looks wierd, and maybe out of instinct, the same with my dog. I know theres a diffrence between my dog eating peanut butter over and over even tho it fucks the world up and him eating raw shrooms cuz he knows it will fuck the world up, he may just like peanut butter so much he doesnt care if it screws with the world, at least it doesnt fuck with him .
We to were just 'animals' at one point, why was it not wrong for us to eat shrooms or some other active plant? Maybe the shrooms will help animals become more tranquil and more playfull, I know thats what they did to Petrie (my dog), exept in EXCESSIVE amounts, I would pet him and he would piss everywhere, but only when I touched him. I felt bad and feel bad for giving my dog that much, but in small amount once you see that it is affecting your animal, then its time to stop uping the dose and leave it at that, at least for a year so they can really understand that mushies have powers to change the world "around" you.
Ever wonder why a magi's mana is always blue? Me to. I could so see old men boiling shrooms into some concoction and it turning blue. Then they lock themselves in a dungeon for days and shoot fire balls at eachother and to stay alive (or to Revitalize them) they take a potion that was made with ephedra and somehow (would be very easy) make it red, that way you dont convuse the two and take too much mana, and wind up laughing your ass off rolling around on the ground, all the while some big huge dragon is tearing apart your soul, but some how you defeat it, and you tell all the people in the world of your adventures and become Merlin. Thus dungeons and dragons was invented by the ingestion of shrooms. 
just a thought.
How did you go from peanut BUDdder to Merlin and dungeons and dragons? Made me LOL either way.
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Re: Can my cat trip with me? [Re: lozl]
#7770378 - 12/17/07 04:31 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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I'd say, don't do it. I work at a veterinary hospital, and we have to dose animals with all sorts of drugs. One is Ketamine, and if you don't know what Ketamine is, read about it:
http://erowid.org/chemicals/ketamine/ketamine.shtml
Watching a cat on Ketamine can be freaky. Their pupils get HUGE, they stumble around (in a, sometimes, dangerous way), are completely disoriented, and look totally freaked out. Many tend to cry out and/or scream. You can tell that they don't understand what is going on. It's the same with Morphine and other Opioids (even when given SQ / IM -- slower come up). Most of the cats we have to wrap in a towel, cover their eyes, and hold them close.
I figure it'd be the same with mushrooms or any other hallucinogen. I know you just want to share something beautiful with your friend, but believe me, they are contact trippers. If you're tripping -- you're already going to share something very strong with him.
Have a great trip, and just enjoy being with your wonderful kitty. I know he'll enjoy hanging out with you.
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Re: Can my cat trip with me? [Re: Jack86]
#7771815 - 12/17/07 09:40 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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Jack86 said: some people on here are fucking morons, how old are you? honestly? what the fuck ? Grow up, take some fucking responsobility and wake up you little gimps. A dog will eat anything, they know no differnet,to people who say just leave it and let them decide? WTF,i honestly dident think this place was so stupid? "they enjoy it"
O really? do they ? do they come up to you and go "Hey im having a smashing time, we must do this again" ? get fucking real you mugs
my dog said that to me once.
once my friend blew smoke into my dogs face and he's always recognized the bud smell and would come over and whimper until he got a hit..
i think that told me he liked it. (though i never blew the smoke in his face myself) but i can definitally see where you're coming from.
i don't personally have a side for whether or not to trip with an animal, i have never intentionally put an animal in that state myself.
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Re: Can my cat trip with me? [Re: iheartpr0n]
#7771827 - 12/17/07 09:43 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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To be honest, I wouldn't try to force any hallucinogen on any animal that doesn't know what it's in for. But, maybe you could leave a cap out and see if he eats it and just let it that, but no more. I have no idea what the dosage would be for such a low weight but I imagine it would be far less than what we can handle. Besides, if you're cat is as picky as mine, then he probably won't touch the cap.*
*Not that I've ever attempted to let my cat eat 'shrooms. Just commenting on her being so picky and the grossness of 'shrooms.
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Re: Can my cat trip with me? [Re: Boots]
#7772756 - 12/18/07 03:00 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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Boots said: I have no idea what the dosage would be for such a low weight but I imagine it would be far less than what we can handle.
there are some scientific articles on the web (sorry I can't be bother to dig up the links) suggesting it would be the same for cats. This could be because their smaller brains are less sensitive to psychedelics. I wonder what mic/kg dose the LSD spiders were on? Probably would have been a thumbprint for a human.
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Re: Can my cat trip with me? [Re: roquet]
#7772769 - 12/18/07 03:17 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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dude this r tard cant be serously considering this if you are go to you tube and watch cat on lsd and tell me he is having a swell time they just dont have the cognitive capasity to understand what the fuck is going on serious dude.
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a dog is a socialble animal, they come up to you non stop to greet, want attention, not becasue they want a smoke. the dog was wimpering becasue they want attention. Are you honestly that diluded (sp) with it that you think it wants a smoke. Fucking idiot.
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Re: Can my cat trip with me? [Re: Jack86]
#7772839 - 12/18/07 04:52 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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I've known a dog that definatly wanted pot.
ONly met one though, and I've known more people who's cat supposedly like pot, but the assholes really just forced it to indulge.
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Re: Can my cat trip with me? [Re: Jack86]
#7773080 - 12/18/07 08:48 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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Jack86 said: a dog is a socialble animal, they come up to you non stop to greet, want attention, not becasue they want a smoke. the dog was wimpering becasue they want attention. Are you honestly that diluded (sp) with it that you think it wants a smoke. Fucking idiot.
so by chance the dog only wants attention when buds being smoked? we sit in the same place all the time and the dog is always off playing in the yard or sleeping or eating, or just wandering around. but as soon as someone breaks out the bud he gets closer and closer and starts wagging his tail. (who usually doesn't wag his tail unless he is acknowledged...)
again, i didn't blow smoke in his face. ever.
you're getting quite hostile over this. some body needs a chill pill.. or a nice blunt.
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Re: Can my cat trip with me? [Re: igwna]
#7773087 - 12/18/07 08:55 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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it definately sounds possible considering how awesome it feels to be high, dogs are pretty smart creatures, it wouldn't take them long to figure out that smoke=good feelings
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yeah, i tend to doubt that the dog would keep coming back at all if he didn't like it.
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I skipped many of the pages of useless (I'm sure) responses.
But are any of you guys familiar with the plant CATNIP? Cats seek out this plant, sniff and rub their faces on it, then roll around in drug ecstacy. They go back to the plant the next day when their tolerance is down.
Have you ever heard of ayahuasca? Native legends say that humans discovered the hallucinogenic vine from jungle cats doing the very same thing - chewing and macerating the vine, then rolling around in hallucinogenic ecstacy. It has been documented that jaguars do seek out and chew the ayahuasca vine (the vine of the JAGUAR).
I have offered my cat (when he was in an interested mood) a bottle cap full of ayahuasca and mimosa. He sniffed a couple of times then took a sip. The taste seemed to linger on his mind, because he casually leaned over and took another sip. He knew he was finished, and left. I didn't notice any outright effects, but I am positive the brew had an effect on him.
So no, I don't think that it is MORALLY wrong for humans to offer their pets hallucinogens. Force feeding them drugs is a different story, but merely allowing your cat to take whatever dose of hallucinogen it wants does not seem wrong.
Who are we to say that we know what's going on here, and cats don't. I think that's pretty presumptuous. Cats are held sacred in almost all ancient and indigenous societies. Is there something to that?
I think mr. whiskers can handle it, just make sure you measure out the dose right and give him a reaally small amount, then let him choose to eat it or not. I think he'll eat it.
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For those who haven't seen it -
http://youtube.com/watch?v=EJEw3A_QO9o
When I was vibrating on lsd and holding a self-healed quartz, I grabbed my kitten and it started vibrating similar to the cat in this video, except not quite at the same frequency. There was somebody who wasn't tripping who witnessed this, so it wasn't just a hallucination. The kitten was just barely newborn and obviously very receptive to this energy. Interesting stuff!
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Re: Can my cat trip with me? [Re: LacunalSense]
#7777018 - 12/19/07 10:10 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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This one cat we used to smoke weed with used to follow us into the hotbox all the time. It definitely like to get high. What kind of animal wouldn't?
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Re: Can my cat trip with me? [Re: LacunalSense]
#7777070 - 12/19/07 10:22 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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That is the THIRD TIME that video has been posted in this thread so far.
Thank you.
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I'm aware. It had to go along with my experience
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Re: Can my cat trip with me? [Re: LacunalSense]
#7777151 - 12/19/07 10:44 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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I can FEEL what that cat is going through when I watch that video. It doesn't make me feel good...
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ReoSpeedwagon153 said: I can FEEL what that cat is going through when I watch that video. It doesn't make me feel good...
Who knows what that cat felt, it could have been expanding out of its body not even aware of pain. Either way, cruel...
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Re: Can my cat trip with me? [Re: MindGorilla]
#7778410 - 12/19/07 04:52 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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No your cat absolutely can not trip with you. I have seen a cat on mushrooms and it is very sad. They do not know what is going on, and look distressed. The cat is still very messed up to this day. It is abusive to give a cat drugs. Might as well give it some poison. Do you think your cat likes you that much? Fuck, its a cat for god sakes. Its enjoying you petting it. It doesn't have some silly idea of friendship you have. It doesn't even have a self never mind a friend for the self. Your cat is not a fucking plush toy, pin coushin, for all your dumb ideas.
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Re: Can my cat trip with me? [Re: Draigan]
#7778425 - 12/19/07 04:56 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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though you may be right draigan, just because one cat you saw looked distressed on a mushroom trip does not say they all will be.
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Re: Can my cat trip with me? [Re: igwna]
#7778780 - 12/19/07 06:27 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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skcorrelyt said: though you may be right draigan, just because one cat you saw looked distressed on a mushroom trip does not say they all will be.
agreed, while It most definitely is a bad idea to give an animal drugs, assuming all cats will act the same is retarded. Thats like saying you saw one guy have a bad experience on acid, anyone who tries the drug will experience the exact same thing and is not allowed.
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Re: Can my cat trip with me? [Re: DeathCompany]
#7778871 - 12/19/07 06:46 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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I haven't ever given my cat mushrooms, but I do know that my cat loves getting high =).
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Re: Can my cat trip with me? [Re: Devin]
#7779621 - 12/19/07 09:27 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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if you wanna do that shit yourself go ahead but puttin it on anyone else is just fucked, im guilty as puttin my friend on to it but lookin back even if it was cool/good for him i still feel a lil manipulative and i explained everything, but still i was the only reason he messed with them(gave them away for free actually)
on the other hand i sought shrooms out on my own, for my own purposes had nothing to do with being convinced as i already convinced myself
IMO if cats evolve far enough to take em conciously they can, but if they jus doin it cuz you happend to have it, nah it really aint that cool, those jaguars dont give a shit they've been in those jungles for thousands of years, hell my cat hates alcohol and weed anyway, she actually shakes her head when shes mad and she does it especially with alcohol
certain cats can get neurological diseases anyway, to me i jus think your pushin buttons if you present them to it IMO animals look up to their owners, jus look at the way we have to treat em
if it happens to get in the stash w/e but im not puttin out a lure
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Re: Can my cat trip with me? [Re: Konyap]
#7780209 - 12/20/07 01:32 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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I think animals are smarter than we give them credit for. Give your cat a small dose see how it handles it. It's totally natural...monkeys in many parts of the world hang around bars to steal alcohol, racoons chew cigarette buds to get a buzz, koalas eat eucoliptus to get high, and some mammals scare "hallucinogenic millipedes" so the bug secretes a defensive chemical that the mammal licks off to feel all crazy. Point is animals know what drugs are or at least know what to eat to feel like spiderman and they love drugs as much as we do. Don't deny your cat the trip experience.
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Re: Can my cat trip with me? [Re: andresq45]
#8557926 - 06/24/08 10:55 AM (15 years, 7 months ago) |
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To ALL of you all that doubted me, i have an update.
Mister whiskers indeed tried to eat the shroom, but found its taste to be vile, so he spat it out. I force fed him the tiny shroom (.2G abort) and subsequently fed myself 1g. (i wanted to be coherent enough to analyze his response)
Here is his trip report (as i experienced it):
-ingestion -5mins- Took mister whiskers downstairs and put on HIS favorite movie (not mine), the second matrix film. -30mins- Mister whiskers intently watched the film for about an hour or so. i was petting him and calmly talking to him, and he started to get incredibly vocal. He would groan in a very pleasurable manner when scratched under the chin/behind ears. -1hr. 30 mins- Mister whiskers was getting restless, and wanted to go outside. I let him into the backyard and sat in a lawn chair with a glass of pod tea. -1hr. 30 mins -3 hrs- I watched as he hunted grasshoppers for the next hour or so. Seemed to be genuinely enjoying himself. -3 hr mark- Effects were residual and started to wear off. He hopped into my lap and gazed at the sunset with me.
I KNOW he had a GREAT time because three weeks after that i let him sniff a tiny shroom, and he began to nibble on it. i thought he would spit it out like the first time, but to my surprise, he vigorously munched down the shroom, like it was fucking gourmet cat chow. Very muchso to my surprise, as i didnt even want him trippin that day, because i had things to do and didnt want to tripsit him on that day. Well, needless to say, i cleared my schedule and enabled his set and setting to be tranquil and loving. Mister whiskers had a very good time the second time, comparable to the first.
I post this (extremely belated) for several reasons;
1: A pm from someone who read this post was recently floated to me, wondering if i was serious. 2: People got incredibly upset about my post, but they dont understand both my cat or I. I love Mr. Whiskers dearly, and furthermore understand his demeanor and personality. He is the calmest, friendliest feline i have ever met. I would never do anything irresponsible like letting him eat an eighth or something like that. 3; I want other people with Chillaxin' calm assed cool cats like mine to possibly explore the benefits of sharing psychedelics with your animal counterparts. 4; i had to study long term effects before i could honestly post on the efficacy/result on his attitude and being.
Having said all this, i sort of wish i had not ever shown him the glory, because he will eat them instantly now, without thinking about it. To date he has never had a bad trip, but possibly because i set him up for success (zero out of four trips). He does not yet know that it can go either way, having never had a bad trip. i can't leave a bag of dried shrooms lying around anymore, as i'm afrraid he'll eat them while i'm not home. And he has taken up MUCH more of an interest in my hobby. i walked in my bathroom one day to see his head stuck in the filter hole of a fruiting monotub (he pushed the polyfill inside) Luckily he could not reach any fruitbodies.
Here are the keys to gettin your cat to have a groovy time while psychedelic: 1: A 8-12 lb. cat needs NO MORE than .3-.4 dried to have a full blown +++ experience. Start low and work your way from there. (For some, I'm sure .1 would be enough) 2:DO NOT, i repeat, DO NOT feed an anxious/nervous or upset cat shrooms. Only you know your cats demeanor and where to go from there. 3:Set your kitty up for success by talking calmly to them, petting them intensely and putting on their fav. mousic of movie. 4: Be responsible and remain with your kitty throughout the experience. ie; don't let them go frolic in the highway. 5: As a LAST resort, have a half/quarter/eighth of any benzo in an aqueous solution already prepared in a syringe. If your kitty starts to run into walls, or act erratic/ hostile to itself or you, then give him some of that tiny portion of a benzo intra-muscularily. if your queasy with needles, you can take off the hypodermic part of the syringe and just squirt the solution down their throat, but that seems as if it may be hard if you cat is trippin all out nuts and tryin to bite the fuck out of you. I have always ended up just dosing myself with the portion of benzo, as Mister whiskers hasnt needed it to date. I myself would not trip without a benzo safety net, and i wouldnt want my little buddy to do so either.
I appreciate any comments/ flaming i may recieve for this post. I expect a maelstrom.
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good man. i dont personally have a single complaint about this. as long as you put as much planning into his trips as your trips.
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haha, im surprised it worked for you. I woulda thought that he would have freaked out and started clawing your face or something. For a cat to be completely transported to a state of mind like that without knowing he was going is pretty dangerous.
Also, since i cant seem to post my own thread, if i tripped on friday night and i wanted to trip again to day ( its LSD), would that be enough time for the tolerance to go down?
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Re: Can my cat trip with me? [Re: thizzles29]
#8558027 - 06/24/08 11:29 AM (15 years, 7 months ago) |
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Youd be fine.
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Re: Can my cat trip with me? [Re: lozl]
#8558032 - 06/24/08 11:30 AM (15 years, 7 months ago) |
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My buddy reminds me that the jaguars eat the ayahuasca (banisteriopsis caapi/ chacruna). The shamans would not know of the aya if it wasn't for their jaguar friends. Our cat used to eat our cherry tomato plants. A dog we know whines at the top of the stairs if we try to toke up alone. A cat that is no longer with us actually toked on a joint by himself (just one hit and then my buddy, he is now ashamed to remember, took it out of his mouth for fear of germies). The same cat also chewed on the end of a pipe, trying to get it to hit. Your non human friends you live with don't have hands to take the drugs. Some like the drugs and some do not. Just like humans. Don't be prejudice based on species.
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Re: Can my cat trip with me? [Re: Mr.Al]
#8558057 - 06/24/08 11:36 AM (15 years, 7 months ago) |
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My own cat decided he wanted to eat some shroomies, I have posted about it here, and will say no more, other than the bashers about it need to chill.
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Re: Can my cat trip with me? [Re: thizzles29]
#8558117 - 06/24/08 11:54 AM (15 years, 7 months ago) |
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I think giving animals drugs isn't the smartest thing to be doing, HOWEVER its not much worse than giving them catnip. Some people will say the cat didn't make a conscious effort to ingest the mushrooms but then again does any cat make a conscious effort to be high on catnip? I've never seen a cat go into a store and buy catnip with the intent of getting high. Instead the owners of cats lace the cat toys with catnip to watch the cat act all crazy. This is about the same as spiking a cats food with mushrooms.
People might argue that cats WANT the catnip. Well of course they do, it gets them high!! The cat would have never enjoyed catnip if someone didn't give it to him unless he happen to run across a catnip plant in the wild or someone's garden. The same could be said about mushrooms. I've seen posts on this site where squirrels have raid outdoor patches and then came back for more! It seems the cat is now like the squirrels because glen said the cat will now seek out mushrooms.
People think its alright to give cats catnip because the cats seem to enjoy it. glen's cat seemed to have enjoyed the mushrooms so to me its all the same. I do agree though that it could have went either way, good or bad but I'm glad it turned out well for the cat.
Also I found a good post by member FrankieJustTrypt in an old thread about giving dogs mushrooms.
"I don't get it? Its morally right to imprison an animal in a carpeted dungeon, reduce its daily activities to laying around and eating one kind of dried up shit out of a dish, maybe go for a little run around the 30'x30' patch of grass or a short stroll around the block tied up to a noose - all so your lonely/bored ass can have some company that will pay attention to you and can then tell yourself "I treat my pet so well" on your way to the vet to get its balls cut off.............
But its wrong to get it baked or a little spun because there is a small chance it might experience some temporary discomfort in the midst of a lifetime of denying its natural instinct.
I think everyone with a pet is guilty. If you care for animals set them free.
But thats a bit ridiculous, just as rest of the preaching on this post has been."
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Re: Can my cat trip with me? [Re: dysphoria]
#8558799 - 06/24/08 03:30 PM (15 years, 7 months ago) |
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" I force fed him the tiny shroom (.2G abort) "
This is the only part of it that I personally disagree with.
Tho, i suppose Mr. Whiskers wouldnt have known to enjoy them as much as he does , if you had'nt.
P.S. I am glad for the both of you that he had a good trip Instant trip buddy 
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and for the haters :
If Mr. Whiskers wants to trip ( evidenced in him when he tried to munch one down )..... I dont see any REAL reason not to let him make his own descisions.
You cant say it is "bad" for him and he doesnt know better..... but then you would be a total hypocrite....
He is a (in some form ) consicous animal. just like any one of us...... Should you treat him as a piece of property? especially considering the ALREADY highly independant nature of a cat?
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Re: Can my cat trip with me? [Re: Shad0w] 1
#8560993 - 06/25/08 01:23 AM (15 years, 7 months ago) |
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IMO, giving your cat a hallucinogenic drug like psilocin or LSD is abusive. Animals are thought to hallucinate from these substances (I believe I once read that cats will hiss at nothing and act as though they are interacting with hallucinations). You may think that your cat enjoyed the experience and it may have, but you also risked traumatizing your cat and that is a horrible thing to do. You should be charged with animal cruelty.
Animals do not administer psychedelic drugs. Have you ever thought about that? Animals will self-administer cocaine, heroin, etc. They will not administer hallucinogens. Only humans do that.
Deneau G, Yanagita T & Seevers M H. Self-administration of psychoactive substances by the monkey: a measure of psychological dependence. Psychopharmacologia 16:30-48. (1969)
Hoffmeister, F. Negative reinforcing properties of some psychotropic drugs in drug-naive rhesus monkeys. J Pharmacol Exp Ther 192, 468– 477. (1975)
Nichols, DE. Hallucinogens. Pharmacology & Therapeutics. 101, pp. 131 - 181. (2004)
Gresch, P. J., Strickland, L. V., & Sanders-Bush, E. Lysergic acid diethylamide-induced Fos expression in rat brain: role of serotonin-2A receptors. Neuroscience 114, 707–713. (2002)
Ketamine is not (only) a "cat tranquilizer." It is widely used in humans. Also, ketamine is not exactly considered an ideal cat anesthetic. Anyway, it's not like vets give cats so that they can have fun. Vets give cats ketamine in order to prevent them from experiencing serious pain during surgery.
Here is a "cool" video of a cat on LSD:
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that video is so sad.
So I work in the Vet industry. I am highly against this. You have no clue what these drugs can actually do to their system. To automatically assume that it is safe, both physically and psychologically is arrogant and down right retarded. Even to take the position of being careful and starting out with small doses is stupid. You said that when you first offered it too him he spit it out and didn't want it. So why didn't you think, oh he doesn't want it and leave it at that. Sounds fucking retarded to me.
I have seen cats come into the clinic that have gotten into a bag of mushrooms before and the were fractious, extremely jumpy and hyper sensitive. To even risk that with a so called friend is beyond idiotic.
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hawksapprentice said: that video is so sad.
So I work in the Vet industry. I am highly against this. You have no clue what these drugs can actually do to their system. To automatically assume that it is safe, both physically and psychologically is arrogant and down right retarded. Even to take the position of being careful and starting out with small doses is stupid. You said that when you first offered it too him he spit it out and didn't want it. So why didn't you think, oh he doesn't want it and leave it at that. Sounds fucking retarded to me.
I have seen cats come into the clinic that have gotten into a bag of mushrooms before and the were fractious, extremely jumpy and hyper sensitive. To even risk that with a so called friend is beyond idiotic.

if you guys take anything from his post... consider the risk to your supposed friend. i think its pretty sad so many people are so lax with the notion. you dont know. and the cat does not know what it's getting into, either. if you have a soul you will probably look back when youre not so high all the time and realize you were abusive to an innocent animal, like a child.
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Re: Can my cat trip with me? [Re: jetpackjake]
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oh my god i just saw that video. i had to turn it off, that seriously made me want to cry.
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Re: Can my cat trip with me? [Re: lozl]
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dont feed him shrooms.. let him feed off the changes the shrooms bring to yourself. for example if hes comfortable with going out on a leach.. take him with you into the forrest while you are trippin. crawl thru the bushes with him. do the stuff you normally wouldnt do. try to be a cat. try to enjoy the things cats do. smell stuff, play with moving things, roll yourself on the forrest floor. tripping with cats can be quite alot of fun. i go out with my cat alot. hes really gotten used to going out on a leach. try it sober a few times.. and when you feel youve found a spot he likes.. take him there and do cats things!
have fun! ive had alot of fun with my cat
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Re: Can my cat trip with me? [Re: jetpackjake]
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jetpackjake said: oh my god i just saw that video. i had to turn it off, that seriously made me want to cry.
that video is bullshit. LSD isn't an analogue of mescaline as it says in the title credits and I really doubt that cat was on anything more than a vibrating floor, as someone suggested before. It's not behaving anything like the descriptions of cats on acid in scientific papers I've read.
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Re: Can my cat trip with me? [Re: Plasmid]
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Plasmid said: IMO, giving your cat a hallucinogenic drug like psilocin or LSD is abusive. Animals are thought to hallucinate from these substances (I believe I once read that cats will hiss at nothing and act as though they are interacting with hallucinations). You may think that your cat enjoyed the experience and it may have, but you also risked traumatizing your cat and that is a horrible thing to do. You should be charged with animal cruelty.
Animals do not administer psychedelic drugs. Have you ever thought about that? Animals will self-administer cocaine, heroin, etc. They will not administer hallucinogens. Only humans do that.
Deneau G, Yanagita T & Seevers M H. Self-administration of psychoactive substances by the monkey: a measure of psychological dependence. Psychopharmacologia 16:30-48. (1969)
Hoffmeister, F. Negative reinforcing properties of some psychotropic drugs in drug-naive rhesus monkeys. J Pharmacol Exp Ther 192, 468– 477. (1975)
Nichols, DE. Hallucinogens. Pharmacology & Therapeutics. 101, pp. 131 - 181. (2004)
Gresch, P. J., Strickland, L. V., & Sanders-Bush, E. Lysergic acid diethylamide-induced Fos expression in rat brain: role of serotonin-2A receptors. Neuroscience 114, 707–713. (2002)
Ketamine is not (only) a "cat tranquilizer." It is widely used in humans. Also, ketamine is not exactly considered an ideal cat anesthetic. Anyway, it's not like vets give cats so that they can have fun. Vets give cats ketamine in order to prevent them from experiencing serious pain during surgery.
Here is a "cool" video of a cat on LSD:
1 how is this any more cruel than
removing sexual organs to control behavior partial toe amputation (declawing) physical mutilation (snipping tails and ears of some species) neglect keeping an animal in a enivornment thats to small exposing animals to second hand smoke (cigarette smokers who smoke inside) or anything else that "normal" pet owners do
2 Prove that animals DONT self administer hallucinogens
the OP said that the cat will now seek out the shrooms and eat them on it's own That kinda seems like self administering to me
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Re: Can my cat trip with me? [Re: perosiste]
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dont give it to your cat, thats animal abuse. I suggest feeding it to your goldfish
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IME, dosing your cat is not necessary. Cats are sensitive enough on their own to pick up on your psychedelic vibe without the aid of any chemical catalyst. Seriously, cats are mysterious creatures... There is evidence to suggest that cats and dogs can sense when someone is dieing, so it stands to reason that they'd also be able to sense when someone is tripping.
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Re: Can my cat trip with me? [Re: Plasmid]
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what about those wild cats that eat that hallucinogenic vine?
thats self-administering is it not? maybe its a leopard or panther or w.e and not a domestic cat but its still a feline.
animals DO self-administer hallucinogens...
i've seen many a documentry on these kinds of things.
it MAY not be a great idea to do it, but this guy did everything he could to make it enjoyable for his cat and had a good outcome. thats good enough for me.
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Re: Can my cat trip with me? [Re: Shad0w]
#8564378 - 06/25/08 09:07 PM (15 years, 7 months ago) |
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Shad0w said: ..... I dont see any REAL reason not to let him make his own descisions.
You cant say it is "bad" for him and he doesnt know better..... He is a (in some form ) consicous animal. just like any one of us......
It could be bad for the cat.
Giving the cat a choice to eat some unknown substance is totally different than giving a human an informed choice.
A four year old is a conscious animal. Would you leave a bag of ketamine out for your four year old to eat, simply because he/she might decide to eat or sniff that neat powder lying on the table? Sure, it might (and perhaps probably would not) kill or permanently harm the child, but it is totally irresponsible to risk traumatizing an uniformed being.
Where do you draw the line? A dog can decide to drink ethylene glycol if it wants. Does that mean that you should leave a bowl of antifreeze out on the floor just because the dog can decide to drink it?
The animal doesn't know what the consequences will be of ingesting some substance it doesn't know about anymore than a child does (which is why you keep cleaning products locked away). A responsible person should consider the fact that there is potential harm in letting an animal eat something it doesn't know about. I hope you wouldn't treat your own children this way.
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Re: Can my cat trip with me? [Re: igwna]
#8564407 - 06/25/08 09:16 PM (15 years, 7 months ago) |
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[QUOTE]skcorrelyt said: what about those wild cats that eat that hallucinogenic vine?[/QUOTE]
Please provide some kind of reference so I can look this up. All the evidence I've seen suggests otherwise.
[QUOTE]animals DO self-administer hallucinogens...[/QUOTE]
Do you have a reference?
[QUOTE]i've seen many a documentry on these kinds of things.[/QUOTE]
Care to name the documentary so that I could have more to go on than your good word? (or wild imagination)
[QUOTE]but this guy did everything he could to make it enjoyable for his cat and had a good outcome.
You're basing that on his few posts in this thread which probably add up to less than 300 words?
How did this guy even know that his cat wouldn't be poisoned by something else in the mushrooms? Substances that are harmless to humans can be poisonous to animals (chocolate is poisonous to dogs). There's nothing to suggest here that this guy even bothered to make sure that a cat wouldn't have an allergic reaction to something in fungi.
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My best mate would always tell me how his dog will eat his bud if he leaves it outside, I never believed him until about two months ago when we were shrooming pretty hard and he put about half a gram, chopped up, onto the ground and his dog ate it without hesitation. You can imagine the hysterical laughter that ensued.
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Re: Can my cat trip with me? [Re: Plasmid]
#8565135 - 06/26/08 12:47 AM (15 years, 7 months ago) |
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Plasmid said: [QUOTE]skcorrelyt said: what about those wild cats that eat that hallucinogenic vine?[/QUOTE]
Please provide some kind of reference so I can look this up. All the evidence I've seen suggests otherwise.
[QUOTE]animals DO self-administer hallucinogens...[/QUOTE]
Do you have a reference?
[QUOTE]i've seen many a documentry on these kinds of things.[/QUOTE]
Care to name the documentary so that I could have more to go on than your good word? (or wild imagination)
[QUOTE]but this guy did everything he could to make it enjoyable for his cat and had a good outcome.
You're basing that on his few posts in this thread which probably add up to less than 300 words?
How did this guy even know that his cat wouldn't be poisoned by something else in the mushrooms? Substances that are harmless to humans can be poisonous to animals (chocolate is poisonous to dogs). There's nothing to suggest here that this guy even bothered to make sure that a cat wouldn't have an allergic reaction to something in fungi.
here is a documentry:
i dont remember which one of those has the part about the jaguar eating the ayahausca but its in there.
my dog ate chocolate once but didnt die. he got into the easters baskets. idk how poisonous that it can really be. idk tho, you got me on that one.
he got lucky sure, but his cat had only positive effects which goes to show not every idea has to be a bad one when other people say it is.
i'm kinda high so i dont know if i answered all your questions.. but dont really care to scroll up either. hope you enjoy.
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Re: Can my cat trip with me? [Re: lukey2411]
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lukey2411 said: My best mate would always tell me how his dog will eat his bud if he leaves it outside, I never believed him until about two months ago when we were shrooming pretty hard and he put about half a gram, chopped up, onto the ground and his dog ate it without hesitation. You can imagine the hysterical laughter that ensued.
i've seen this too
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Re: Can my cat trip with me? [Re: perosiste]
#8565193 - 06/26/08 01:11 AM (15 years, 7 months ago) |
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perosiste said: 1 how is this any more cruel than
That's not relevant. Even if it is just as cruel, more cruel or less cruel than those other things, it is still irresponsible an cruel. Pointing out that Auschwitz was a cruel environment doesn't suddenly justify irresponsibly abusing animals.
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2 Prove that animals DONT self administer hallucinogens
What do you think those references in the post you quoted demonstrate? Experimental evidence that animals don't administer hallucinogens.
I can not, ever, prove anything. Don't make unreasonable demands.
I can just as easily ask you to prove that animals do self-administer hallucinogens. Is your "Proof" going to be a post on the Shroomery? Some guy says his cat now seeks out shrooms? Anyway, the references I have cited do far more towards providing demonstrations that animals do not self-administer psychedelics than some guy's post on the Shroomery.
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Re: Can my cat trip with me? [Re: igwna]
#8565198 - 06/26/08 01:13 AM (15 years, 7 months ago) |
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You consider those documentaries meaningful?
I am absolutely appalled that some of you are trying to justify this.
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Re: Can my cat trip with me? [Re: Plasmid]
#8565230 - 06/26/08 01:28 AM (15 years, 7 months ago) |
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i dont know why you're so against it.
cat had a good time, is fine, didn't bug, didn't die and you're still crying about it.
and animals do self-administer drugs, the only reasons these natural plants are looked down upon because society demonized them.
we're animals too, should we stop using these?
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Re: Can my cat trip with me? [Re: igwna]
#8565244 - 06/26/08 01:35 AM (15 years, 7 months ago) |
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Please provide evidence that animals self-administer hallucinogens. All evidence I see says that the only hallucinogens animals self-administer are dissociatives.
I am against it because it is irresponsible and abusive. The OP could not have known that the cat would have a good time. The end does not justify the means. I think this is irresponsible, abhorrent behavior precisely because it is unnecessarily risking trauma to an animal.
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the only reasons these natural plants are looked down upon because society demonized them.
What the fuck are you talking about and how is this at all relevant?
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we're animals too, should we stop using these?
Where is this coming from? If you want to use them, go ahead. You can make an informed decision about the risks you want to take.
A cat force fed shrooms did not have that choice.
Like I said before, I seriously hope none of you would treat your children this way.
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Re: Can my cat trip with me? [Re: Plasmid]
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Re: Can my cat trip with me? [Re: Plasmid]
#8565600 - 06/26/08 06:28 AM (15 years, 7 months ago) |
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Plasmid said: Please provide evidence that animals self-administer hallucinogens. All evidence I see says that the only hallucinogens animals self-administer are dissociatives.
google "jaguar dmt" for thousands of pages about it.
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Re: Can my cat trip with me? [Re: roquet]
#8565615 - 06/26/08 06:41 AM (15 years, 7 months ago) |
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I didn't know we had so many PETA activists here. This must really piss you off Plasmid.
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Re: Can my cat trip with me? [Re: Paulrus]
#8569336 - 06/26/08 11:20 PM (15 years, 7 months ago) |
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its the people who cry about a cat experiencing something outside the norm positively are among those afraid of change.
govt brainwashin is my best guess
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Re: Can my cat trip with me? [Re: lozl]
#8569547 - 06/27/08 12:34 AM (15 years, 7 months ago) |
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Fuckin give mr whiskers sum of your shrooms because he should be able to experience the awesomeness of magic mushrooms with you. Because i give mushies to my cat all the time like three days a week. I also shoot him up with heroin and smoke reefer with him too. I also rub his furry little balls until he gets a red rocket beacuase he really likes that.
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mix a little sumthin in with the catnip
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Re: Can my cat trip with me? [Re: tomtwg]
#8569622 - 06/27/08 01:18 AM (15 years, 7 months ago) |
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fuck cats so i say get that motherfucker high as fuck 
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Re: Can my cat trip with me? [Re: Plasmid]
#8569665 - 06/27/08 01:44 AM (15 years, 7 months ago) |
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Plasmid said: Please provide evidence that animals self-administer hallucinogens. All evidence I see says that the only hallucinogens animals self-administer are dissociatives.
I am against it because it is irresponsible and abusive. The OP could not have known that the cat would have a good time. The end does not justify the means. I think this is irresponsible, abhorrent behavior precisely because it is unnecessarily risking trauma to an animal.
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the only reasons these natural plants are looked down upon because society demonized them.
What the fuck are you talking about and how is this at all relevant?
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we're animals too, should we stop using these?
Where is this coming from? If you want to use them, go ahead. You can make an informed decision about the risks you want to take.
A cat force fed shrooms did not have that choice.
Like I said before, I seriously hope none of you would treat your children this way.
some animals do self-administer psychedelics, you've obviously never witnessed a cow chewing on some cubensis mushrooms.
how much trauma could it possibly do? is the cat gonna get ptsd for getting a bad trip?
and who gives a shit anyway its a fucking cat, and thanks to this poster we know that you can give a cat mushrooms and it will be fine.
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Re: Can my cat trip with me? [Re: doitagain]
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doitagain said: how much trauma could it possibly do? is the cat gonna get ptsd for getting a bad trip?
Do you know that it won't get PTSD or something like that?
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and who gives a shit anyway its a fucking cat
I do. I love cats.
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Re: Can my cat trip with me? [Re: roquet]
#8570763 - 06/27/08 11:51 AM (15 years, 7 months ago) |
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roquet said: google "jaguar dmt" for thousands of pages about it.
And it's entirely impossible that animals may accidentally or unintentionally? Is there evidence that this animal actively sought the DMT out? Do you have good evidence that animals will repeatedly and intentionally do so?
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Re: Can my cat trip with me? [Re: Plasmid]
#8570768 - 06/27/08 11:54 AM (15 years, 7 months ago) |
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This really isn't getting anywhere anymore.
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Re: Can my cat trip with me? [Re: Paulrus]
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Animals inevitably get high in nature. To think humans are the only mammal with the mental capacity to enjoy getting high is very self centered and small minded. Drugs aren't something new that humans invented in our short history on this earth. There were mammals getting high off mushrooms in nature long before humans were ever in the picture to save them from the supposed trauma and lock them up in cages instead... Which one do you think really hurts their mental well being...
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Re: Can my cat trip with me? [Re: Chronicss]
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i think my cat would did some shrooms thanks for the idea guys, i might make a nice tea for him, cuzi still do love my cat we can chill and oliver and company or something
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Re: Can my cat trip with me? [Re: jackshroomer]
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just make sure you scale the dose to your cats size.
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Re: Can my cat trip with me? [Re: doitagain]
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^^ Not a problem

He's a real heavy-weight, been dosing about half an ounce each trip.
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Re: Can my cat trip with me? [Re: Paulrus]
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Ok. I have found some evidence that demonstrates rhesus monkies will self-administer DMT, psilocin and mescaline. I concede on this point: some animals will self-administer hallucinogens to the point of intoxication.
Fantegrossi WE, Woods JH, and Winger G. Transient reinforcing effects of phenylisopropylamine and indolealkylamine hallucinogens in rhesus monkeys. Behav Pharmacol. 15, pp. 149 - 157. (2004)
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Re: Can my cat trip with me? [Re: igwna]
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and animals do self-administer drugs, the only reasons these natural plants are looked down upon because society demonized them.
we're animals too, should we stop using these?
BINGO!!! We ARE animals., and I think it says something for our species, that the more "intelligent" we become the more that using hallucinogens is important. Most dumbasses don't use them...they tend to the lame crap like coke, speed, and alcohol, while deeper minds tend towards hallucinogenic and psychedelic usage patterns.
I find that most regular hallucinogenic users are intelligent, well adjusted, happy with themselves people that have good jobs and good family life. Most hallucinogenic users you meet, you would never know unless they told you.
We tend to lead a double life, kind of...because society is fucked up about the real deal with these substances, and we have to protect ourselves.
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Re: Can my cat trip with me? [Re: Plasmid]
#8572126 - 06/27/08 06:59 PM (15 years, 7 months ago) |
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Plasmid said:
Animals do not administer psychedelic drugs. Have you ever thought about that? Animals will self-administer cocaine, heroin, etc. They will not administer hallucinogens. Only humans do that.
And yet, coke, heroin, etc. are FAR more dangerous to any animal than the natural mushroom....go figure.
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Re: Can my cat trip with me? [Re: lozl]
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Some would say it would be cruel to give your pets drugs of any kind. But my dog has eatin my bud before, and I didn't give it to him he got it off the table and got stoned. It was pretty funny. Now anytime he smells me lighten up he's right there whining and trying to get at the blunt. So who knows.
I've also read reports where they have recorded dogs and other animals finding magic mushrooms in the wild and eating them. Then once new shrooms grow they have come back to the same place to eat them again. So animals may also like to trip too who knows. If you were going to trip with your pet then I would say give them the choice to or not. Give them the shrooms and let them decide if they want to eat them or not.....but then again animals will also drink anti-freeze if they can....lol JMO
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Re: Can my cat trip with me? [Re: doitagain]
#8572954 - 06/27/08 11:31 PM (15 years, 7 months ago) |
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doitagain said: just make sure you scale the dose to your cats size.
don't assume cats require the same dosage/kg rate we do. Having much smaller brains, they're probably a lot less sensitive to mushrooms compared to us. In this experiment (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19128) looking at "limb flicks and abortive grooming" in cats given LSD, the dosage was increased incrementally from 2.4ug/kg up to 200ug/kg. A cat weighs around 6kg, a man around 80kg. So a 200ug/kg dose for a man would be like taking 16,000ug (ie. 160 good blotters). Interestingly, in the experiment the abnormal behaviour actually decreased at higher doses, again suggesting the YouTube "cat on LSD" video is fake.
Assuming the highest dose in the experiment was a saturation level of LSD for cats, and that a saturation level (ie. where increasing the dose has no extra effect) for humans is 1500ug, then cats are around 10 times less sensitive to LSD than us. If they're less sensitive to psilocybin by the same degree, a cat dose calculator would look like this:
Man Cat 1g 0.75g 2g 1.5g 3.5g 2.6g 5g 3.7g 7g 5.2g 10g 7.5g 14g 10.5g (dry weight of mushrooms)
So remember, don't under-dose Mr Whiskers or he'll think your shrooms are crap.
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Re: Can my cat trip with me? [Re: therapture]
#8572973 - 06/27/08 11:40 PM (15 years, 7 months ago) |
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therapture said: Most dumbasses don't use them...they tend to the lame crap like coke, speed, and alcohol, while deeper minds tend towards hallucinogenic and psychedelic usage patterns.
I think that's a pretentious load of BS. Most of the people who I've known to use hallucinogens are largely not too bright. Most of the intelligent people I've known have never used hallucinogens. I do know a number of intelligent hallucinogen users, but I think it's arrogant to claim that "deeper minds" tend towards hallucinogens.
In Karl Jansen's _Ketamine: Dreams and Realities_ he hints at this by noting that people who tend to dissociatives tend to be more intelligent. I have little doubt that if I said that dissociative (for example, DXM) users were generally highly intelligent people that people around here would fiercely disagree.
I suspect you have a bit of a bias towards hallucinogen users. . . (for some reason)
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I find that most regular hallucinogenic users are intelligent, well adjusted, happy with themselves people that have good jobs and good family life.
Most hallucinogen users or most that you know of? Like I say above, I see it from a completely opposite perspective. The vast majority of people I've known over the last 15 years who got involved in using hallucinogenic drugs are largely unhappy with the choices they made in their lives and unhappy with their lives.
Given that you and I don't come anywhere close to knowing "most (regular) hallucinogen users", the difference in our point of view suggests that depending on one's niche (including social, economic, and cultural factors; age, occupation, etc.), the details of hallucinogenic drug users' lives vary.
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We tend to lead a double life, kind of...because society is fucked up about the real deal with these substances, and we have to protect ourselves.
Speak for yourself. Most people I know take me seriously, so I'm not afraid to reveal to the people around my (friends, family and coworkers) that I have (and often do) use a lot of drugs, including hallucinogens. I might not say that out loud during a job interview, but when I tell most people, I can see that of all people they wouldn't have expected me to be a drug user.
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Re: Can my cat trip with me? [Re: Plasmid]
#8573168 - 06/28/08 01:04 AM (15 years, 7 months ago) |
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Don't feed your cat drugs, he doesn't need them. Cats pretty much act like they're tripping all the time anyway.
When YOU are tripping, however, cats are awesome. They're so fun to pet and mine always loves a good cuddle. In fact, my cat was there for my first solo Salvia trip, for a little moral support.
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Re: Can my cat trip with me? [Re: Necromancer]
#8581463 - 06/30/08 07:04 PM (15 years, 6 months ago) |
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I just want to say that I find some of the personal responses I have gotten because of this thread very disturbing and harassing. Two members sent me pictures of a cat being mutilated and killed. Fine, if you think that I care too much about cats and you hate cats, that's up to you, but sending me graphic images is childish. It's disturbing to think that people choose to harass a member of the forums instead of trying to argue rationally.
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Re: Can my cat trip with me? [Re: roquet]
#8581524 - 06/30/08 07:23 PM (15 years, 6 months ago) |
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So remember, don't under-dose Mr Whiskers or he'll think your shrooms are crap.
well shit i dont want my cat to think that ima puss. ill make he sure he trips just as hard as i do and well watch that CATS the musical. thats for the scale.lol
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Re: Can my cat trip with me? [Re: Plasmid]
#8584496 - 07/01/08 03:36 PM (15 years, 6 months ago) |
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roquet said: google "jaguar dmt" for thousands of pages about it.
And it's entirely impossible that animals may accidentally or unintentionally? Is there evidence that this animal actively sought the DMT out? Do you have good evidence that animals will repeatedly and intentionally do so?
Well, training pets is a lot like getting the pet to realize that if it does what YOU want it gets rewarded. Much like a dog realizing sitting will bring treats.
If an animal eats a hallucinogen and trips you'd think it would "realize" the hallucinogen = trip, same way a dog realizes that sitting = treats.
When the cats continuously go back to said hallucinogen, you can conclude that it enjoys/likes/desires it.
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Re: Can my cat trip with me? [Re: igwna]
#8584574 - 07/01/08 03:56 PM (15 years, 6 months ago) |
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THeres no doubt he enjoyed it, as i stated. But the thing is hes never had the other side of the spectrum, a bad trip. I have to be very careful about leaving a bag of caps lying around these days.
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Certainly you do!
I would lock that shit up in a safe... even if my cat wasn't a fiend..
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a lot of animals, cats especially will love to get high, but shrooms are going to make them think "WTF?"
getting stoned is much more mundane to all animals.
cows however are notorious for eating shrooms.
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Cannabischarlie said: a lot of animals, cats especially will love to get high, but shrooms are going to make them think "WTF?"
getting stoned is much more mundane to all animals.
cows however are notorious for eating shrooms.
and reindeer.
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Re: Can my cat trip with me? [Re: Plasmid]
#8590108 - 07/03/08 12:50 AM (15 years, 6 months ago) |
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therapture said: Most dumbasses don't use them...they tend to the lame crap like coke, speed, and alcohol, while deeper minds tend towards hallucinogenic and psychedelic usage patterns.
I think that's a pretentious load of BS. Most of the people who I've known to use hallucinogens are largely not too bright. Most of the intelligent people I've known have never used hallucinogens. I do know a number of intelligent hallucinogen users, but I think it's arrogant to claim that "deeper minds" tend towards hallucinogens.
In Karl Jansen's _Ketamine: Dreams and Realities_ he hints at this by noting that people who tend to dissociatives tend to be more intelligent. I have little doubt that if I said that dissociative (for example, DXM) users were generally highly intelligent people that people around here would fiercely disagree.
I suspect you have a bit of a bias towards hallucinogen users. . . (for some reason)
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I find that most regular hallucinogenic users are intelligent, well adjusted, happy with themselves people that have good jobs and good family life.
Most hallucinogen users or most that you know of? Like I say above, I see it from a completely opposite perspective. The vast majority of people I've known over the last 15 years who got involved in using hallucinogenic drugs are largely unhappy with the choices they made in their lives and unhappy with their lives.
Given that you and I don't come anywhere close to knowing "most (regular) hallucinogen users", the difference in our point of view suggests that depending on one's niche (including social, economic, and cultural factors; age, occupation, etc.), the details of hallucinogenic drug users' lives vary.
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We tend to lead a double life, kind of...because society is fucked up about the real deal with these substances, and we have to protect ourselves.
Speak for yourself. Most people I know take me seriously, so I'm not afraid to reveal to the people around my (friends, family and coworkers) that I have (and often do) use a lot of drugs, including hallucinogens. I might not say that out loud during a job interview, but when I tell most people, I can see that of all people they wouldn't have expected me to be a drug user.
maybe you just need more intelligent friends.
Pretty much all my friends use drugs and the ones who are into psychedelics are almost invariably the more intelligent of my friends.
not that i dont have dumb friends who take acid and shrooms but the ones who are passionate about that kinda thing also happen to be the most intelligent of my friends.
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Re: Can my cat trip with me? [Re: doitagain]
#8592794 - 07/03/08 07:24 PM (15 years, 6 months ago) |
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i can kind of agree with you on this.
most of my friends that enjoy hallucinogens are very intelligent, while the lesser intelligent are more into partying w/ alcohal, weed, and coke.
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Re: Can my cat trip with me? [Re: tomtwg]
#8598760 - 07/05/08 09:12 PM (15 years, 6 months ago) |
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Take gabapentin or a xanax next time probably wasnt the shrooms. do you drink much?
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Re: Can my cat trip with me? [Re: Ishtar93]
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wtf? chill out, he never said he was going to do it, he was asking your advice and opinions, you could have just easily said "i wouldn't try it" and you really don't know if that is animal abuse, you have NO scientific evidence of that, cats can "evolve" too, i don't believe in physical evolution, but they can become "humanly" smart, or at least somewhere close, just chill out man, i know it might have offended you, but you don't need to f*cking tell people to die, don't even f*cking joke like that, that sh*t's serious, i mean sh*t, even though you were offended, you had no right to f*cking slander people about something they haven't done, and if the cat chooses to eat em then its the cat choice, you CLEARLY don't have a good understanding of animals and drugs, i don't mean to snap at you, but that just offended ME, and i didn't really tell you to die.
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Re: Can my cat trip with me? [Re: igwna]
#17752307 - 02/05/13 09:07 PM (10 years, 11 months ago) |
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if you do, realize this, your cat has to be able to make the choice (after seeing you to give them an idea of that the shrooms can make you trip) if the cat is interested in this, perhaps allow him to trip, but you should trip sober and be his sitter, it'll be kind of a b*tch though, because you'll have to be there to support and entertain him. also cats see in the blue, green, purple and yellow (i think yell? idk) but try to have different toys (green or blue laser lighters) also, animals are intelligent, thats just religous BS. also, your animals and children are alot alike, not in the sense of reacting to drugs, but in the sense of your relationship, you can either have a good relationship or a bad relationship with them, its your choice to make that relationship happen. make sure he's happy and apply the same BASIC rules of sitting for your cat, remember! shrooms make humans LOVE to do things they did when they were yound, so if your cat does eat them (in fact let him sniff it first) be sure to have many things that the cat would associate with positivity or "fun". does your cat like music? would he like a darkly lit setting (since cats are predators, they may or may not have bad trips in the dark) also i'm pretty sure cats can have nightmares like humans, all a nightmare is is a "message" from the brain, telling you about something you've been supressing, so it would also depend on the cat or dog. if the cat or dog has gone through abuse, consider their personality, are they depressed? well although humans and animals aren't the same, they still exist/live, they do think, they do have emotions, and they can see a bright side and a dark side of the world, shrooms will only make their imaginations combine with their perception, so if they are usually depressed, you may OR may NOT, consider giving shrooms, as it is hard for most people to have a good enough relationship with their pets to understand whether or not they will have a spiritual/emmotional experience. many people call dark trips "bad trips" i do not use this term as dark is a better way of explaining it, its the side where we cannot see, this instinctually frightens us because we do not have nocturnal vision (cats do!) dark trips and nightmares are practically the same thing, so even if the cat has a dark trip, does not mean that the cat will be "hurt", simply make it as safe an environment as possible, also, i do not treat my cat as my child personally, but instead, i treat him as a friend who doesn't (and cannot) judge me like everyone else does, this is the beauty of our pets!
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bump old posts much?
last poster hasn't logged on in 4 years op posted this over 6 years ago and hasn't been seen in over 4 months.
cats are smart my old cat wouldn't eat anything with medicine inside.
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