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Re: Can my cat trip with me? [Re: tomtwg]
    #8569622 - 06/27/08 01:18 AM (15 years, 7 months ago)

fuck cats so i say get that motherfucker high as fuck :tongue::thumbup:


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Re: Can my cat trip with me? [Re: Plasmid]
    #8569665 - 06/27/08 01:44 AM (15 years, 7 months ago)

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Please provide evidence that animals self-administer hallucinogens.  All evidence I see says that the only hallucinogens animals self-administer are dissociatives.

I am against it because it is irresponsible and abusive.  The OP could not have known that the cat would have a good time.  The end does not justify the means.  I think this is irresponsible, abhorrent behavior precisely because it is unnecessarily risking trauma to an animal.

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the only reasons these natural plants are looked down upon because society demonized them.




What the fuck are you talking about and how is this at all relevant?

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we're animals too, should we stop using these?




Where is this coming from?  If you want to use them, go ahead.  You can make an informed decision about the risks you want to take.

A cat force fed shrooms did not have that choice.

Like I said before, I seriously hope none of you would treat your children this way.



some animals do self-administer psychedelics, you've obviously never witnessed a cow chewing on some cubensis mushrooms.

how much trauma could it possibly do?  is the cat gonna get ptsd for getting a bad trip?

and who gives a shit anyway its a fucking cat, and thanks to this poster we know that you can give a cat mushrooms and it will be fine.


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Re: Can my cat trip with me? [Re: doitagain]
    #8570751 - 06/27/08 11:45 AM (15 years, 7 months ago)

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how much trauma could it possibly do?  is the cat gonna get ptsd for getting a bad trip?




Do you know that it won't get PTSD or something like that?

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and who gives a shit anyway its a fucking cat




I do.  I love cats.


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Re: Can my cat trip with me? [Re: roquet]
    #8570763 - 06/27/08 11:51 AM (15 years, 7 months ago)

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google "jaguar dmt" for thousands of pages about it.




And it's entirely impossible that animals may accidentally or unintentionally?  Is there evidence that this animal actively sought the DMT out?  Do you have good evidence that animals will repeatedly and intentionally do so?


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Re: Can my cat trip with me? [Re: Plasmid]
    #8570768 - 06/27/08 11:54 AM (15 years, 7 months ago)

This really isn't getting anywhere anymore.


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Re: Can my cat trip with me? [Re: Paulrus]
    #8571547 - 06/27/08 03:55 PM (15 years, 7 months ago)

Animals inevitably get high in nature.  To think humans are the only mammal with the mental capacity to enjoy getting high is very self centered and small minded.  Drugs aren't something new that humans invented in our short history on this earth.  There were mammals getting high off mushrooms in nature long before humans were ever in the picture to save them from the supposed trauma and lock them up in cages instead...  Which one do you think really hurts their mental well being...


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Re: Can my cat trip with me? [Re: Chronicss]
    #8571564 - 06/27/08 04:02 PM (15 years, 7 months ago)

i think my cat would did some shrooms thanks for the idea guys, i might make a nice tea for him, cuzi still do love my cat we can chill and oliver and company or something


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Re: Can my cat trip with me? [Re: jackshroomer]
    #8571584 - 06/27/08 04:07 PM (15 years, 7 months ago)

just make sure you scale the dose to your cats size.


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Re: Can my cat trip with me? [Re: doitagain]
    #8571602 - 06/27/08 04:11 PM (15 years, 7 months ago)

^^
Not a problem


He's a real heavy-weight, been dosing about half an ounce each trip.


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Re: Can my cat trip with me? [Re: Paulrus]
    #8571808 - 06/27/08 05:26 PM (15 years, 7 months ago)

Ok.  I have found some evidence that demonstrates rhesus monkies will self-administer DMT, psilocin and mescaline.  I concede on this point: some animals will self-administer hallucinogens to the point of intoxication.

Fantegrossi WE, Woods JH, and Winger G.  Transient reinforcing effects of phenylisopropylamine and indolealkylamine hallucinogens in rhesus monkeys.  Behav Pharmacol.  15, pp. 149 - 157.  (2004)


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Re: Can my cat trip with me? [Re: igwna]
    #8571944 - 06/27/08 06:02 PM (15 years, 7 months ago)

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and animals do self-administer drugs, the only reasons these natural plants are looked down upon because society demonized them.

we're animals too, should we stop using these?






BINGO!!! We ARE animals., and I think it says something for our species, that the more "intelligent" we become the more that using hallucinogens is important. Most dumbasses don't use them...they tend to the lame crap like coke, speed, and alcohol, while deeper minds tend towards hallucinogenic and psychedelic usage patterns.

I find that most regular hallucinogenic users are intelligent, well adjusted, happy with themselves people that have good jobs and good family life. Most hallucinogenic users you meet, you would never know unless they told you.

We tend to lead a double life, kind of...because society is fucked up about the real deal with these substances, and we have to protect ourselves.


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Re: Can my cat trip with me? [Re: Plasmid]
    #8572126 - 06/27/08 06:59 PM (15 years, 7 months ago)

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Animals do not administer psychedelic drugs.  Have you ever thought about that?  Animals will self-administer cocaine, heroin, etc.  They will not administer hallucinogens.  Only humans do that.






And yet, coke, heroin, etc. are FAR more dangerous to any animal than the natural mushroom....go figure.


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Re: Can my cat trip with me? [Re: lozl]
    #8572755 - 06/27/08 10:28 PM (15 years, 7 months ago)

Some would say it would be cruel to give your pets drugs of any kind.
But my dog has eatin my bud before, and I didn't give it to him he got it off the table and got stoned. It was pretty funny. Now anytime he smells me lighten up he's right there whining and trying to get at the blunt. So who knows.

I've also read reports where they have recorded dogs and other animals finding magic mushrooms in the wild and eating them. Then once new shrooms grow they have come back to the same place to eat them again.
So animals may also like to trip too who knows.
If you were going to trip with your pet then I would say give them the choice to or not. Give them the shrooms and let them decide if they want to eat them or not.....but then again animals will also drink anti-freeze if they can....lol
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Re: Can my cat trip with me? [Re: doitagain]
    #8572954 - 06/27/08 11:31 PM (15 years, 7 months ago)

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just make sure you scale the dose to your cats size.



don't assume cats require the same dosage/kg rate we do. Having much smaller brains, they're probably a lot less sensitive to mushrooms compared to us. In this experiment (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19128) looking at "limb flicks and abortive grooming" in cats  given LSD, the dosage was increased incrementally from 2.4ug/kg up to 200ug/kg. A cat weighs around 6kg, a man around 80kg. So a 200ug/kg dose for a man would be like taking 16,000ug (ie. 160 good blotters). Interestingly, in the experiment the abnormal behaviour actually decreased at higher doses, again suggesting the YouTube "cat on LSD" video is fake.

Assuming the highest dose in the experiment was a saturation level of LSD for cats, and that a saturation level (ie. where increasing the dose has no extra effect) for humans is 1500ug, then cats are around 10 times less sensitive to LSD than us. If they're less sensitive to psilocybin by the same degree, a cat dose calculator would look like this:

Man                  Cat
1g                    0.75g
2g                    1.5g
3.5g                  2.6g   
5g                    3.7g
7g                    5.2g
10g                  7.5g
14g                  10.5g
(dry weight of mushrooms)

So remember, don't under-dose Mr Whiskers or he'll think your shrooms are crap.


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Re: Can my cat trip with me? [Re: therapture]
    #8572973 - 06/27/08 11:40 PM (15 years, 7 months ago)

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Most dumbasses don't use them...they tend to the lame crap like coke, speed, and alcohol, while deeper minds tend towards hallucinogenic and psychedelic usage patterns.




I think that's a pretentious load of BS.  Most of the people who I've known to use hallucinogens are largely not too bright.  Most of the intelligent people I've known have never used hallucinogens.  I do know a number of intelligent hallucinogen users, but I think it's arrogant to claim that "deeper minds" tend towards hallucinogens.

In Karl Jansen's _Ketamine: Dreams and Realities_ he hints at this by noting that people who tend to dissociatives tend to be more intelligent.  I have little doubt that if I said that dissociative (for example, DXM) users were generally highly intelligent people that people around here would fiercely disagree.

I suspect you have a bit of a bias towards hallucinogen users. . . (for some reason)

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I find that most regular hallucinogenic users are intelligent, well adjusted, happy with themselves people that have good jobs and good family life.




Most hallucinogen users or most that you know of?  Like I say above, I see it from a completely opposite perspective.  The vast majority of people I've known over the last 15 years who got involved in using hallucinogenic drugs are largely unhappy with the choices they made in their lives and unhappy with their lives.

Given that you and I don't come anywhere close to knowing "most (regular) hallucinogen users", the difference in our point of view suggests that depending on one's niche (including social, economic, and cultural factors; age, occupation, etc.), the details of hallucinogenic drug users' lives vary.

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We tend to lead a double life, kind of...because society is fucked up about the real deal with these substances, and we have to protect ourselves.




Speak for yourself.  Most people I know take me seriously, so I'm not afraid to reveal to the people around my (friends, family and coworkers) that I have (and often do) use a lot of drugs, including hallucinogens.  I might not say that out loud during a job interview, but when I tell most people, I can see that of all people they wouldn't have expected me to be a drug user.


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Re: Can my cat trip with me? [Re: Plasmid]
    #8573168 - 06/28/08 01:04 AM (15 years, 7 months ago)

Don't feed your cat drugs, he doesn't need them. Cats pretty much act like they're tripping all the time anyway.

When YOU are tripping, however, cats are awesome. They're so fun to pet and mine always loves a good cuddle. In fact, my cat was there for my first solo Salvia trip, for a little moral support.


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Re: Can my cat trip with me? [Re: Necromancer]
    #8581463 - 06/30/08 07:04 PM (15 years, 6 months ago)

I just want to say that I find some of the personal responses I have gotten because of this thread very disturbing and harassing.  Two members sent me pictures of a cat being mutilated and killed.  Fine, if you think that I care too much about cats and you hate cats, that's up to you, but sending me graphic images is childish.  It's disturbing to think that people choose to harass a member of the forums instead of trying to argue rationally.


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Re: Can my cat trip with me? [Re: roquet]
    #8581524 - 06/30/08 07:23 PM (15 years, 6 months ago)

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So remember, don't under-dose Mr Whiskers or he'll think your shrooms are crap.





well shit i dont want my cat to think that ima puss. ill make he sure he trips just as hard as i do and well watch that CATS the musical. thats for the scale.lol


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Re: Can my cat trip with me? [Re: Plasmid]
    #8584496 - 07/01/08 03:36 PM (15 years, 6 months ago)

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google "jaguar dmt" for thousands of pages about it.




And it's entirely impossible that animals may accidentally or unintentionally?  Is there evidence that this animal actively sought the DMT out?  Do you have good evidence that animals will repeatedly and intentionally do so?




Well, training pets is a lot like getting the pet to realize that if it does what YOU want it gets rewarded. Much like a dog realizing sitting will bring treats.

If an animal eats a hallucinogen and trips you'd think it would "realize" the hallucinogen = trip, same way a dog realizes that sitting = treats.

When the cats continuously go back to said hallucinogen, you can conclude that it enjoys/likes/desires it.


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Re: Can my cat trip with me? [Re: igwna]
    #8584574 - 07/01/08 03:56 PM (15 years, 6 months ago)

THeres no doubt he enjoyed it, as i stated.  But the thing is hes never had the other side of the spectrum, a bad trip.  I have to be very careful about leaving a bag of caps lying around these days.


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