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Draigan
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Re: Can my cat trip with me? [Re: MindGorilla]
#7778410 - 12/19/07 04:52 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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No your cat absolutely can not trip with you. I have seen a cat on mushrooms and it is very sad. They do not know what is going on, and look distressed. The cat is still very messed up to this day. It is abusive to give a cat drugs. Might as well give it some poison. Do you think your cat likes you that much? Fuck, its a cat for god sakes. Its enjoying you petting it. It doesn't have some silly idea of friendship you have. It doesn't even have a self never mind a friend for the self. Your cat is not a fucking plush toy, pin coushin, for all your dumb ideas.
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igwna
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Re: Can my cat trip with me? [Re: Draigan]
#7778425 - 12/19/07 04:56 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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though you may be right draigan, just because one cat you saw looked distressed on a mushroom trip does not say they all will be.
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Re: Can my cat trip with me? [Re: igwna]
#7778780 - 12/19/07 06:27 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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skcorrelyt said: though you may be right draigan, just because one cat you saw looked distressed on a mushroom trip does not say they all will be.
agreed, while It most definitely is a bad idea to give an animal drugs, assuming all cats will act the same is retarded. Thats like saying you saw one guy have a bad experience on acid, anyone who tries the drug will experience the exact same thing and is not allowed.
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Devin
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Re: Can my cat trip with me? [Re: DeathCompany]
#7778871 - 12/19/07 06:46 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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I haven't ever given my cat mushrooms, but I do know that my cat loves getting high =).
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Re: Can my cat trip with me? [Re: Devin]
#7779621 - 12/19/07 09:27 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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if you wanna do that shit yourself go ahead but puttin it on anyone else is just fucked, im guilty as puttin my friend on to it but lookin back even if it was cool/good for him i still feel a lil manipulative and i explained everything, but still i was the only reason he messed with them(gave them away for free actually)
on the other hand i sought shrooms out on my own, for my own purposes had nothing to do with being convinced as i already convinced myself
IMO if cats evolve far enough to take em conciously they can, but if they jus doin it cuz you happend to have it, nah it really aint that cool, those jaguars dont give a shit they've been in those jungles for thousands of years, hell my cat hates alcohol and weed anyway, she actually shakes her head when shes mad and she does it especially with alcohol
certain cats can get neurological diseases anyway, to me i jus think your pushin buttons if you present them to it IMO animals look up to their owners, jus look at the way we have to treat em
if it happens to get in the stash w/e but im not puttin out a lure
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andresq45
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Re: Can my cat trip with me? [Re: Konyap]
#7780209 - 12/20/07 01:32 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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I think animals are smarter than we give them credit for. Give your cat a small dose see how it handles it. It's totally natural...monkeys in many parts of the world hang around bars to steal alcohol, racoons chew cigarette buds to get a buzz, koalas eat eucoliptus to get high, and some mammals scare "hallucinogenic millipedes" so the bug secretes a defensive chemical that the mammal licks off to feel all crazy. Point is animals know what drugs are or at least know what to eat to feel like spiderman and they love drugs as much as we do. Don't deny your cat the trip experience.
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Re: Can my cat trip with me? [Re: andresq45]
#8557926 - 06/24/08 10:55 AM (15 years, 7 months ago) |
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To ALL of you all that doubted me, i have an update.
Mister whiskers indeed tried to eat the shroom, but found its taste to be vile, so he spat it out. I force fed him the tiny shroom (.2G abort) and subsequently fed myself 1g. (i wanted to be coherent enough to analyze his response)
Here is his trip report (as i experienced it):
-ingestion -5mins- Took mister whiskers downstairs and put on HIS favorite movie (not mine), the second matrix film. -30mins- Mister whiskers intently watched the film for about an hour or so. i was petting him and calmly talking to him, and he started to get incredibly vocal. He would groan in a very pleasurable manner when scratched under the chin/behind ears. -1hr. 30 mins- Mister whiskers was getting restless, and wanted to go outside. I let him into the backyard and sat in a lawn chair with a glass of pod tea. -1hr. 30 mins -3 hrs- I watched as he hunted grasshoppers for the next hour or so. Seemed to be genuinely enjoying himself. -3 hr mark- Effects were residual and started to wear off. He hopped into my lap and gazed at the sunset with me.
I KNOW he had a GREAT time because three weeks after that i let him sniff a tiny shroom, and he began to nibble on it. i thought he would spit it out like the first time, but to my surprise, he vigorously munched down the shroom, like it was fucking gourmet cat chow. Very muchso to my surprise, as i didnt even want him trippin that day, because i had things to do and didnt want to tripsit him on that day. Well, needless to say, i cleared my schedule and enabled his set and setting to be tranquil and loving. Mister whiskers had a very good time the second time, comparable to the first.
I post this (extremely belated) for several reasons;
1: A pm from someone who read this post was recently floated to me, wondering if i was serious. 2: People got incredibly upset about my post, but they dont understand both my cat or I. I love Mr. Whiskers dearly, and furthermore understand his demeanor and personality. He is the calmest, friendliest feline i have ever met. I would never do anything irresponsible like letting him eat an eighth or something like that. 3; I want other people with Chillaxin' calm assed cool cats like mine to possibly explore the benefits of sharing psychedelics with your animal counterparts. 4; i had to study long term effects before i could honestly post on the efficacy/result on his attitude and being.
Having said all this, i sort of wish i had not ever shown him the glory, because he will eat them instantly now, without thinking about it. To date he has never had a bad trip, but possibly because i set him up for success (zero out of four trips). He does not yet know that it can go either way, having never had a bad trip. i can't leave a bag of dried shrooms lying around anymore, as i'm afrraid he'll eat them while i'm not home. And he has taken up MUCH more of an interest in my hobby. i walked in my bathroom one day to see his head stuck in the filter hole of a fruiting monotub (he pushed the polyfill inside) Luckily he could not reach any fruitbodies.
Here are the keys to gettin your cat to have a groovy time while psychedelic: 1: A 8-12 lb. cat needs NO MORE than .3-.4 dried to have a full blown +++ experience. Start low and work your way from there. (For some, I'm sure .1 would be enough) 2:DO NOT, i repeat, DO NOT feed an anxious/nervous or upset cat shrooms. Only you know your cats demeanor and where to go from there. 3:Set your kitty up for success by talking calmly to them, petting them intensely and putting on their fav. mousic of movie. 4: Be responsible and remain with your kitty throughout the experience. ie; don't let them go frolic in the highway. 5: As a LAST resort, have a half/quarter/eighth of any benzo in an aqueous solution already prepared in a syringe. If your kitty starts to run into walls, or act erratic/ hostile to itself or you, then give him some of that tiny portion of a benzo intra-muscularily. if your queasy with needles, you can take off the hypodermic part of the syringe and just squirt the solution down their throat, but that seems as if it may be hard if you cat is trippin all out nuts and tryin to bite the fuck out of you. I have always ended up just dosing myself with the portion of benzo, as Mister whiskers hasnt needed it to date. I myself would not trip without a benzo safety net, and i wouldnt want my little buddy to do so either.
I appreciate any comments/ flaming i may recieve for this post. I expect a maelstrom.
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dysphoria
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good man. i dont personally have a single complaint about this. as long as you put as much planning into his trips as your trips.
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thizzles29
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haha, im surprised it worked for you. I woulda thought that he would have freaked out and started clawing your face or something. For a cat to be completely transported to a state of mind like that without knowing he was going is pretty dangerous.
Also, since i cant seem to post my own thread, if i tripped on friday night and i wanted to trip again to day ( its LSD), would that be enough time for the tolerance to go down?
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FungusMan
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Re: Can my cat trip with me? [Re: thizzles29]
#8558027 - 06/24/08 11:29 AM (15 years, 7 months ago) |
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Youd be fine.
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Mr.Al
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Re: Can my cat trip with me? [Re: lozl]
#8558032 - 06/24/08 11:30 AM (15 years, 7 months ago) |
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My buddy reminds me that the jaguars eat the ayahuasca (banisteriopsis caapi/ chacruna). The shamans would not know of the aya if it wasn't for their jaguar friends. Our cat used to eat our cherry tomato plants. A dog we know whines at the top of the stairs if we try to toke up alone. A cat that is no longer with us actually toked on a joint by himself (just one hit and then my buddy, he is now ashamed to remember, took it out of his mouth for fear of germies). The same cat also chewed on the end of a pipe, trying to get it to hit. Your non human friends you live with don't have hands to take the drugs. Some like the drugs and some do not. Just like humans. Don't be prejudice based on species.
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Re: Can my cat trip with me? [Re: Mr.Al]
#8558057 - 06/24/08 11:36 AM (15 years, 7 months ago) |
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My own cat decided he wanted to eat some shroomies, I have posted about it here, and will say no more, other than the bashers about it need to chill.
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BlimeyGrimey
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Re: Can my cat trip with me? [Re: thizzles29]
#8558117 - 06/24/08 11:54 AM (15 years, 7 months ago) |
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I think giving animals drugs isn't the smartest thing to be doing, HOWEVER its not much worse than giving them catnip. Some people will say the cat didn't make a conscious effort to ingest the mushrooms but then again does any cat make a conscious effort to be high on catnip? I've never seen a cat go into a store and buy catnip with the intent of getting high. Instead the owners of cats lace the cat toys with catnip to watch the cat act all crazy. This is about the same as spiking a cats food with mushrooms.
People might argue that cats WANT the catnip. Well of course they do, it gets them high!! The cat would have never enjoyed catnip if someone didn't give it to him unless he happen to run across a catnip plant in the wild or someone's garden. The same could be said about mushrooms. I've seen posts on this site where squirrels have raid outdoor patches and then came back for more! It seems the cat is now like the squirrels because glen said the cat will now seek out mushrooms.
People think its alright to give cats catnip because the cats seem to enjoy it. glen's cat seemed to have enjoyed the mushrooms so to me its all the same. I do agree though that it could have went either way, good or bad but I'm glad it turned out well for the cat.
Also I found a good post by member FrankieJustTrypt in an old thread about giving dogs mushrooms.
"I don't get it? Its morally right to imprison an animal in a carpeted dungeon, reduce its daily activities to laying around and eating one kind of dried up shit out of a dish, maybe go for a little run around the 30'x30' patch of grass or a short stroll around the block tied up to a noose - all so your lonely/bored ass can have some company that will pay attention to you and can then tell yourself "I treat my pet so well" on your way to the vet to get its balls cut off.............
But its wrong to get it baked or a little spun because there is a small chance it might experience some temporary discomfort in the midst of a lifetime of denying its natural instinct.
I think everyone with a pet is guilty. If you care for animals set them free.
But thats a bit ridiculous, just as rest of the preaching on this post has been."
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Shad0w
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Re: Can my cat trip with me? [Re: dysphoria]
#8558799 - 06/24/08 03:30 PM (15 years, 7 months ago) |
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" I force fed him the tiny shroom (.2G abort) "
This is the only part of it that I personally disagree with.
Tho, i suppose Mr. Whiskers wouldnt have known to enjoy them as much as he does , if you had'nt.
P.S. I am glad for the both of you that he had a good trip Instant trip buddy 
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and for the haters :
If Mr. Whiskers wants to trip ( evidenced in him when he tried to munch one down )..... I dont see any REAL reason not to let him make his own descisions.
You cant say it is "bad" for him and he doesnt know better..... but then you would be a total hypocrite....
He is a (in some form ) consicous animal. just like any one of us...... Should you treat him as a piece of property? especially considering the ALREADY highly independant nature of a cat?
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My cat loves herbal....... I dont do anything except light a bowl..... and he is in my face, If i bogart...... he gets b1tchy.
Give me ONE good reason, I shouldnt share with him?
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Re: Can my cat trip with me? [Re: Shad0w] 1
#8560993 - 06/25/08 01:23 AM (15 years, 7 months ago) |
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IMO, giving your cat a hallucinogenic drug like psilocin or LSD is abusive. Animals are thought to hallucinate from these substances (I believe I once read that cats will hiss at nothing and act as though they are interacting with hallucinations). You may think that your cat enjoyed the experience and it may have, but you also risked traumatizing your cat and that is a horrible thing to do. You should be charged with animal cruelty.
Animals do not administer psychedelic drugs. Have you ever thought about that? Animals will self-administer cocaine, heroin, etc. They will not administer hallucinogens. Only humans do that.
Deneau G, Yanagita T & Seevers M H. Self-administration of psychoactive substances by the monkey: a measure of psychological dependence. Psychopharmacologia 16:30-48. (1969)
Hoffmeister, F. Negative reinforcing properties of some psychotropic drugs in drug-naive rhesus monkeys. J Pharmacol Exp Ther 192, 468– 477. (1975)
Nichols, DE. Hallucinogens. Pharmacology & Therapeutics. 101, pp. 131 - 181. (2004)
Gresch, P. J., Strickland, L. V., & Sanders-Bush, E. Lysergic acid diethylamide-induced Fos expression in rat brain: role of serotonin-2A receptors. Neuroscience 114, 707–713. (2002)
Ketamine is not (only) a "cat tranquilizer." It is widely used in humans. Also, ketamine is not exactly considered an ideal cat anesthetic. Anyway, it's not like vets give cats so that they can have fun. Vets give cats ketamine in order to prevent them from experiencing serious pain during surgery.
Here is a "cool" video of a cat on LSD:
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hawksapprentice
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that video is so sad.
So I work in the Vet industry. I am highly against this. You have no clue what these drugs can actually do to their system. To automatically assume that it is safe, both physically and psychologically is arrogant and down right retarded. Even to take the position of being careful and starting out with small doses is stupid. You said that when you first offered it too him he spit it out and didn't want it. So why didn't you think, oh he doesn't want it and leave it at that. Sounds fucking retarded to me.
I have seen cats come into the clinic that have gotten into a bag of mushrooms before and the were fractious, extremely jumpy and hyper sensitive. To even risk that with a so called friend is beyond idiotic.
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jetpackjake
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hawksapprentice said: that video is so sad.
So I work in the Vet industry. I am highly against this. You have no clue what these drugs can actually do to their system. To automatically assume that it is safe, both physically and psychologically is arrogant and down right retarded. Even to take the position of being careful and starting out with small doses is stupid. You said that when you first offered it too him he spit it out and didn't want it. So why didn't you think, oh he doesn't want it and leave it at that. Sounds fucking retarded to me.
I have seen cats come into the clinic that have gotten into a bag of mushrooms before and the were fractious, extremely jumpy and hyper sensitive. To even risk that with a so called friend is beyond idiotic.

if you guys take anything from his post... consider the risk to your supposed friend. i think its pretty sad so many people are so lax with the notion. you dont know. and the cat does not know what it's getting into, either. if you have a soul you will probably look back when youre not so high all the time and realize you were abusive to an innocent animal, like a child.
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Re: Can my cat trip with me? [Re: jetpackjake]
#8561104 - 06/25/08 02:33 AM (15 years, 7 months ago) |
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oh my god i just saw that video. i had to turn it off, that seriously made me want to cry.
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cheech
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Re: Can my cat trip with me? [Re: lozl]
#8561231 - 06/25/08 04:32 AM (15 years, 7 months ago) |
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dont feed him shrooms.. let him feed off the changes the shrooms bring to yourself. for example if hes comfortable with going out on a leach.. take him with you into the forrest while you are trippin. crawl thru the bushes with him. do the stuff you normally wouldnt do. try to be a cat. try to enjoy the things cats do. smell stuff, play with moving things, roll yourself on the forrest floor. tripping with cats can be quite alot of fun. i go out with my cat alot. hes really gotten used to going out on a leach. try it sober a few times.. and when you feel youve found a spot he likes.. take him there and do cats things!
have fun! ive had alot of fun with my cat
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roquet
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Re: Can my cat trip with me? [Re: jetpackjake]
#8561407 - 06/25/08 06:25 AM (15 years, 7 months ago) |
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jetpackjake said: oh my god i just saw that video. i had to turn it off, that seriously made me want to cry.
that video is bullshit. LSD isn't an analogue of mescaline as it says in the title credits and I really doubt that cat was on anything more than a vibrating floor, as someone suggested before. It's not behaving anything like the descriptions of cats on acid in scientific papers I've read.
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