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Re: Can my cat trip with me? *DELETED* [Re: shroomie_glen]
    #5621577 - 05/12/06 03:13 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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Re: Can my cat trip with me? [Re: Tamadragon]
    #5621592 - 05/12/06 03:16 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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Hey fellow shroomers, i have a SERIOUS question.  Can my buddy mister whiskers trip with me?  It would be appreciated if anyone with experience could explain whether or not it is possible to feed my feline friend freshly picked ones on friday, and if so, then how do i dose him?    Oh by the way, mister whiskers is a very chill cat and if it is possible  physiologically for him to trip, then i know he can handle the task. Someone please help me!  :cool:




I'm telling PETA on you. asshole :thumbdown:




Hopefully that wasn't serious. Giving a cat mushrooms is pretty fucked up, but in the end its his decision.

Being a rat would make you an even bigger asshole. :laugh:


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Re: Can my cat trip with me? [Re: lozl]
    #5621660 - 05/12/06 03:37 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

me and my friend fed shrooms to this hamster we found in my front yard(yeah weird) and he had a great fucking time from what i could tell. He kept running into walls and when we turned some trip music on he'd hold still and trance out . By the way he didn't die


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Re: Can my cat trip with me? [Re: shroomie_glen]
    #5621688 - 05/12/06 03:47 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

The thing to remember here is that animals can't make a consciencious choice. If you leave them out, animals are curious and will eat them.

Also, dogs WILL eat themselves to death given the opportunity, so saying "well it eats budbutter all the time" doesn't mean it likes it. It just means that it's a f*cking dog! You shouldn't even smoke in your house if there are animals there. They didn't ask for it, and they can't handle it, even if they seem like they're having a good time.

And the shroom side of things, wtf!? You @ssholes do realise that this is animal abuse don't you? For F*ck sake, trip out or get high, and see how your pets react when they're straight. They pick up on whats happening. So, don't give them drugs cos they don't f*cking need them.

I genuinely hope that everyone of you pricks who give your animals drugs cos you think its cool or funny, or even if you want to "share the experience" gets a cheese grater taken to your genitals and is left to bleed dry. I f*ckin hate animal abuse. You may think you love your pet and wanna share the experience, but if you really loved them you wouldn't be able to contemplate giving them drugs.

You can all go and f*cking die.


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Re: Can my cat trip with me? [Re: nea]
    #5621691 - 05/12/06 03:48 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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Would you let your 4-year-old son inhale pot smoke? Blow smoke into his face cause he seems to like it and giggles a lot. How funny!! Not. I treat my pets the same way I'd treat my children. Also it can be very difficult to determine the true motive behind the animal seemingly wanting to inhale pot smoke. Pets often copy their owner's behaviour and your pet seeing you inhale and exhale smoke can very well be the reason for this. I also believe the animals don't necessarily understand what's happening to them which again can cause stress.

Pot smoke is not exactly the healthiest thing to inhale either. Having your pet inhale smoke daily can have severe physical consequences later on. Not to mention possible addiction, who knows how animals react to frequent drug intake? I just see absolutely no point in drugging up your animal, it can live a perfectly happy sober life. Why take a risk when it serves no purpose?



that's your problem. pets are meant as companions. that's their job. to be friend with you, even if no one else likes you. your children, are not your friends, and if they are, you're not parenting them. it's quite different to smoke a joint with your friend than to hit one with your child.

as for you not seeing a point in "drugging up your animal, it can live a happy life sober" etc....the same applies to humans. why would you drug yourself up if you can be happy sober? the answer is because, you like it, it makes you feel good, it helps you think differently, whatever. considering animals like getting stoned or tripping too, why would you deny them of that? they may not be humans, but they can certainly tell what they like.

if you say that animals are too good for drugs, which is essentially what you are saying, then you need to do some serious thinking.

humans - your brothers and sisters, all get stoned and trip and whatever else, and that's fine because they 'have the mental capacity to understand it' etc. does it not stand to reason that animals can understand it in a different way; on a different level?

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Re: Can my cat trip with me? *DELETED* [Re: lozl]
    #5621706 - 05/12/06 03:54 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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Re: Can my cat trip with me? [Re: Tamadragon]
    #5621790 - 05/12/06 04:19 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

errrrr, thats stupid. your not harming them, like he said their your bros and sis, thats whay tripin with them is cool. your not harming them. what about animals that eat shrooms at will? snag a little bit from you when your harvesting? their not harming themselfs, and your not harming them. so y would you giving them some be so diffrent? a wild cat or dog is rumiging through the forest, and hasnt had a meal. oh look a patch of mushrooms. they nibble a little off, and bam. their trippin. ive ben mushroom hunting and seen shrooms that had some nibbled off, wether it be by foxes, deer, or any other animal. its natrual in nature to be curious, the only diff. in domestic animals is there with their companions. its afe in small amounts. if you feed them 2-5 grams ya thats sad. but small doeses moderatly should be ok for them. your not poisening them, or killing them, beating them etc. my dog will eat anything, thats her choice. I dont stop her, so if she wanted to eat some shrooms, im not going to say no. its not like im puting my dick in her and holding her down. in nature animals have a natrual "defense" against poisinous substences. they know not to eat it. but shrooms arnt poisonous, so what then? do they eat it or walk away?


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Re: Can my cat trip with me? [Re: inoculatedGreif]
    #5621811 - 05/12/06 04:32 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

I could see your cat committing suicide and/or think it is already dying/insane. I wouldn't do it but if someone was set on doing this cruel thing it would best be done in increments: 1 day .1 then .25 the next month so it learns what to expect, however DON'T DO IT if you care about Mr Whiskers he will probably attack you or himself.

Also: some chemicals are poison to them that we are fine with


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Re: Can my cat trip with me? [Re: PsychMike]
    #5621845 - 05/12/06 04:47 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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The thing to remember here is that animals can't make a consciencious choice. If you leave them out, animals are curious and will eat them.

Also, dogs WILL eat themselves to death given the opportunity, so saying "well it eats budbutter all the time" doesn't mean it likes it. It just means that it's a f*cking dog! You shouldn't even smoke in your house if there are animals there. They didn't ask for it, and they can't handle it, even if they seem like they're having a good time.

And the shroom side of things, wtf!? You @ssholes do realise that this is animal abuse don't you? For F*ck sake, trip out or get high, and see how your pets react when they're straight. They pick up on whats happening. So, don't give them drugs cos they don't f*cking need them.

I genuinely hope that everyone of you pricks who give your animals drugs cos you think its cool or funny, or even if you want to "share the experience" gets a cheese grater taken to your genitals and is left to bleed dry. I f*ckin hate animal abuse. You may think you love your pet and wanna share the experience, but if you really loved them you wouldn't be able to contemplate giving them drugs.

You can all go and f*cking die.




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Re: Can my cat trip with me? [Re: DeathCompany]
    #5621889 - 05/12/06 05:04 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

no he's not. You just haven't realized that animals are just as much alive as we are and they don't deserve to be abused just as we don't. You have no idea what they are experiencing on drugs. It could be good or bad, but you should not assume they will be ok.


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Re: Can my cat trip with me? [Re: stefan]
    #5621895 - 05/12/06 05:09 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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don't dose your pets!

just trip yourself, your cat will be tripping from your good vibes :laugh:




Eggs-actly, that's what got me off meth, seeing a room full of assholes cut off a cat's whiskers(their main source of equillibrium) and shoot it with speed and find perverse satisfaction watching it bounce of the walls :frown:


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Re: Can my cat trip with me? [Re: FreakQlibrium]
    #5622317 - 05/12/06 07:07 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Some strong opinions out there.

Animals can decide for themselves whether they like something or not. They can link an action with a reaction - cause and effect. Unfortunately they need to take the drug a few times before the link is stong enough for them to "click", and thats where they could have a bad time. But if the levels are low enough its probably ok.

Like the above poster - with his penut butter , the dog obviously understands the link between the two. If he is super eager to eat it, he is making a choice.

Just like if you gave a dog 5 whole mushrooms, next time around I doubt he'd eat be so eager.

Now as for the toxicity in cats and dogs to mushrooms, I doubt there's any data. They are probably just as toxic to us as them, but you cant be 100% sure. Just like the dog eating chocolate thing.
The actual amounts of chemicals ingested are very small, and I doubt its detrimental. Like a dog will be fine with 1/2 a piece of chocolate.

The guy whos cat died - can you elaborate? Were you joking? (that info might change the picture)

One thing to be aware of is that the amount of time between when the animal eats the drug and when the effects come on. If it is too long the animal cant associate the two as easily.

SO if you are going to give your animal drugs, I would use conditioning so that the animal can make a decision later on about whether or not it likes the feeling.

My suggestion is (and this is weird but it will work), take the animal somewhere odd, say into the bathroom and give it dog/cat treat. Do this until the animal knows its getting a treat when you take it to the bathroom. Then give the (small) dose instead of the treat, and keep giving if the animal remains keen.

It can decide, and you'll be able to tell whether it likes "going to the bathroom". :laugh:
Animals can make choices, but you do have to "force" it to take it in the first place.


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Re: Can my cat trip with me? [Re: Feelers]
    #5622579 - 05/12/06 08:10 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Trip Ur cat out, Fuck it. How many souls does it got to lose anyway? I'll see you in the City Of DIS!!!


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Re: Can my cat trip with me? [Re: dumbsnake34]
    #5622735 - 05/12/06 08:43 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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Humans evolved with hallucinogens which is part of the reason they work well for us.




Is that the scientific explanation? :wink:

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It would be like giving a two year old mushrooms.




And what would that be like? A two year old child directly perceives and experiences life, as they have not established much of a mental sense of identity that would serve to obstruct their experience.

When someone takes mushrooms, it is as though mental barriers are temporarily dissolved - the experience that one has is natural. It isn't produced by the chemicals itself, but their effects on the mind.

I highly doubt a cat is going to wig out and become all fucked up. If anything, they would most likely accumulate a greater sense of awareness in what they are doing, just like us. Our problem is our mind, which causes us to freak out. A cat doesn't have that. :wink:

I am not making any suggestions one way or the other. I personally have gotten my dog, cat, ferrets, and oscars stoned (well, I blew my hits into their tank, I seriously doubt that they got high :lol:). No big deal. My only concern with doing that is the fact that dogs and cats, most animals, in fact, have a far more acute sense of smell, and smoke might damage that.

I heard that blowing a hit in through a dog's ear will get them more high, but its still sinus passages, so it'll probably fuck their nose anyways. :grin:

If your cat is naturally good-natured, and lives in a good environment in which nothing would harm or scare it, then I think mushrooms might enchance their experience of their already perfectly in-tune life. :mushroom2:

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Re: Can my cat trip with me? [Re: fireworks_god]
    #5622756 - 05/12/06 08:49 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

When you think about it, you're helping your pet by giving him or her a home. If you feel they should try mushrooms, give them a chance. However, don't ram them down their throat.
I don't really have an opinion on it. I don't think I'd ever give shrooms to my kitty, but he's old and I wouldn't want him to hurt himself. I would like him to be present for my first trip (soon, got the mushrooms! :heart:), but as for dosing him as well, I think I'll keep the mushies for myself. :grin:


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Re: Can my cat trip with me? [Re: ThreePieceSuit]
    #5622892 - 05/12/06 09:15 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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When you think about it, you're helping your pet by giving him or her a home. If you feel they should try mushrooms, give them a chance. However, don't ram them down their throat.




Well, the animal is probably not going to feel inclined to consume mushrooms. My dog would, he is a scavenger. He will eat bird seed, for instance. They wouldn't force themselves to eat something for the experience that doing so would produce.

If it would even produce anything. I'd have to assume that the mamillian brain shares a lot of similarities, and perhaps they would have similar effects as well. We need to commission a veterinarian and an animal psychologist for a community project study in order to determine if we should dose our pets or not.

I realize that everyone is quick to scream "no!" to dosing one's pets, and yet I feel that they probably don't have much to base that assertion on, unless they have actually done so and the experience was negative for the animal. :smirk:

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I think I'll keep the mushies for myself. :grin:




Same here. The last time I tripped, I teased my dog with one, and he was ready to eat it, but I was like "fuck you, bitch, this is mine".

It's sort of like that episode of the Simpsons, where Frink is the scab kindergarden teacher when the teacher's union goes on strike.

"Can I play with it?"

"No, you won't enjoy it on as many levels as I will... oooh, look at the colors, children!" :lol:

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Re: Can my cat trip with me? [Re: ThreePieceSuit]
    #5622925 - 05/12/06 09:23 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

chill with ur cat when ur tripping.


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Re: Can my cat trip with me? [Re: fireworks_god]
    #5622966 - 05/12/06 09:33 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

We have no idea how animals feel, we have no idea what goes on in their head, it would just be irresponsible to give an animal such an intense experience with no knowledge of what's going on in its mind, whether it's ready for such an experience, or whether it even wants such an experience. Granted your pet could have a great time. On the other hand animals still have that need to survive instinct and are far more alert of intruders, predators, etc and are always more on edge about them. Animals can develope psychological disorders just like us, would you really want to give your animal something that could potentially scar it and change your pet just based off the assumption that your cat could handle it from what you've observed? Sure it could be a good bonding experience, on the other hand it could end up going horribly wrong leaving you with a pet that freaks out at people or has weird behavioural patterns (such as growling at the air, destroying things, urinating/defficating wherever it happens to be, etc). Personally I don't think it's fair to potentially destroy another animal's mental health without knowing anything about its mentality other than its personality. If it got into your stash and ate something on its own repetatively (showing that the cat has not developed a fear for the mushrooms) then whatever, that's another question, but I still wouldn't purposely dose them or leave them in a spot accesable to the pet just out of the risk that it has an experience that negatively affects it.

Weed's another question. Of course I wouldn't recommend smoking around animals, and I try to keep my dog away from me while smoking, but sometimes he just jumps up on my lap and goes nuts for it and wont get off me. As far as I'm concerned if he hasn't developed a fear to it and is going through so much effort to get it then whatever, he can sit on my lap and get whatever he can off the smoke, still not gonna blow it or wave it infront of his face though...


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Re: Can my cat trip with me? [Re: shroomie_glen]
    #5622998 - 05/12/06 09:40 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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Re: Can my cat trip with me? [Re: Konnrade]
    #5623028 - 05/12/06 09:47 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

another thought is that fact that tripping highly intensifies your mood, so if your cat was having a bad day it could be terrible. There is no real way to let your cat know he/she needs to stay "with good vibes and places." I can see nothing but disaster in this experiment.


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