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Re: High-priced shrooms [Re: stemmer]
    #5622696 - 05/12/06 08:37 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

I will answer any question you have If you can avoid being a ninny.
I certainly am not going to scroll up and try to find what our problem is here.


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Re: High-priced shrooms [Re: stemmer]
    #5622777 - 05/12/06 08:52 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

:lol:

I have already presented my statements. If you are unable to reply, then that's great. I note that you have no problem assuming aspects of my character and personality, expressing that I am like an obnoxious kid, that I am very snotty, that I am acting like a ninny, etc. etc. etc. etc. :smirk:

I totally understand if you are unable to play the game. :wink:

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Re: High-priced shrooms [Re: fireworks_god]
    #5622870 - 05/12/06 09:10 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Whats the game? Where is the question? Is this your own tweaked version of a copout?
Dont expect me to do anything but ask these questions. Its just the way you presented yourself.

The game starts here dude. If you want to ask me a question thats fine. I just want to know what you are trying to ask/say. Im almost sure we believe in and know the same things about law, capitalism, and how much the mushroom experience is worth.

Im game.
So what do you find to be so hard to understand about my way of doing things. Where do we go from here?
Im "unable" to read your flighty condescending remarks. Like I said I was drunk, So I dont recall why you are still talking to me. SO I still dont know what you motive is.
What the hell do you want big guy. A discussion?
Well.... figure out a way to ask your so called simple questions.
WHY THE HELL ARE YOU TALKING TO ME...........
What the hell can I clarify for you.
SOrry about the insulting comments, but I feel they were perfect for you.
If you really want to keep responding to my every word I would think you know what your own questions are.


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Re: High-priced shrooms [Re: stemmer]
    #5622906 - 05/12/06 09:19 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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Dont expect me to do anything but ask these questions. Its just the way you presented yourself.




I personally did not care for the way you presented yourself, either. :shrug:

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  If you really want to keep responding to my every word I would think you know what your own questions are.




I know what my questions are. I already asked them. Even if I didn't remember them, I could read through once and know what they were. Why is that so difficult for you? :lol:

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Re: High-priced shrooms [Re: fireworks_god]
    #5622943 - 05/12/06 09:28 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

What a joke. I know what my original statements were.
SO what was your problem with them.
Absolute cop out...........Thats sad.
Enough with the laughing smiley. Hmmmm, same old fireworks_god.
Why is that hard for me? because you are not worth my time anyways and I want to know what the hell your problem is.......
What was your issue with my way of doing things? Were you possibly just ranting about nothing. I think so. This is your opportunity to nail me, so go ahead. I know what you have been doing this whole time. Why stop now? Grow some balls....
Anyways........Thanks for your time.


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Re: High-priced shrooms [Re: stemmer]
    #5622989 - 05/12/06 09:38 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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What a joke.  I know what my original statements were.
SO what was your problem with them.




You made certain statements; I asked certain questions pertaining to those statements. That is all.

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Why is that hard for me? because you are not worth my time anyways and I want to know what the hell your problem is.......




I'd ask you another question, something concerning that, if I am not worth my time, then why do you continue to.... but then again, asking questions has created enough trouble already. :smirk:

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Re: High-priced shrooms [Re: fireworks_god]
    #5623027 - 05/12/06 09:47 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

"I'd ask you another question, something concerning that, if I am not worth my time, then why do you continue to.... but then again, asking questions has created enough trouble already".

Your obviously not the sharpest knife in the drawer. Im talking to you because you are absolutely hilarious.
If you have a question just fucking ask. Do you expect anybody to even brows your condescending bullshit posts?
So what is your problem? What is your motive? I know what mine is. So what the fuck is yours?
Whats the problem?

My first three statements were not tainted by your bullshit. What is your problem with them? Why are you so annoying when people are saying something VERY simple.

Really dude! what the hell is your issue you want to discuss.
If you asked the question without being a total doink I probably would have answered. So just ask, or grow some balls and ask.....


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Re: High-priced shrooms [Re: stemmer]
    #5623364 - 05/12/06 11:52 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Oh really?

well OK then........


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Re: High-priced shrooms [Re: fireworks_god]
    #5623537 - 05/13/06 01:06 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Mushrooms shouldn't be sold at ridiculous prices, such as $50/eighth, just like they shouldn't be taken as a party drug. By party drug I mean, in the same way as alcohol, not as a few trippers taking it and going to the forest or even some kind of psychedelic event. I am sure that all of us heard of stories of people getting trapped in their own private hell in their subconscious after taking some "shrooms to get fucked up", proceding by jumping out of buildings, getting naked in supermarkets, et cetera.

I've realized that whenever you go into the trip disrespecting the mushroom, it will not go by without consequences. The Teonanactl, the god of the sacred mushroom, is like a wise sensei, and has to be treated with the utmost respect. Whenever you fail to show it, it will retaliate with fury.

Also, take in the account that in the world of illegal drug trade, karma is a factor one cannot avoid. Whatever goes around, comes around. Say you sell to an individual an 1/8 for a modest price and give some solid advice on his first trip. He gets pulled over on his way home with the bag you just sold. The investigating officer will most likely give him the choice of ratting out his dealer and getting a possession charge dropped. The guy in trouble will remember your good deals and honest intentions, and is much more likely to bite the bullet and taking the charge than ratting you out. Now if you charged him $100 for a quarter for a night of him and his friend to trip, knowing your intentions, he will reconsider his stance with the police.

Describing this, an anecdote comes to mind. I was at a festival last summer, and a 40-year old man was trying to steal a pound of shrooms from a Family's tent. A pound can make a decent profit, especially if there are no costs in producing (or buying) the substance. He picked up the bag and as he started walking away, one of the Family members ran up to him with a straw and dusted him with ~5000mics of LSD. I remember that man falling down a hill two days later, getting up, screaming "I'm going FUCKING INSANE!!", and running away.

Even if you do not have a spiritual aspect to it whatsoever, the rule still applies. Psilocybin Magic Mushrooms are an intense psychedelic substance that should be treated with respect, and there are consequences for those who fail to do so. It ain't grass he's dealing, a trip is completely unpredictable, hence the term psyche-delic ("mind-manifesting").


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Re: High-priced shrooms [Re: Fospher]
    #5623802 - 05/13/06 03:57 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Ok so I hashed things out with the shroom gods and the market keepers, weve all decided an 1/8 of pure cocain is worth 20 rupels.

Thats all you ever need to know he said, plus that he doesnt want too profit from the sales of the shrooms aslong as he gets a peice of the coke action, and maybe some philisophical conversation leasons from stemmer. :laugh:


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Re: High-priced shrooms [Re: Springs]
    #5624957 - 05/13/06 03:03 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Im over it......... If I was a grower/mushroom dealer which I AM NOT,
I would not jack up the price just because I could. In short, and when it comes to only mushrooms or psychedelic plants I would want the price to be an accurate reflection of how much work I feel like I did.
The average ayahuasca brew, if made correctly can be far more intense than mushrooms. That could be sold for 30 dollars EASILY and you would be making a killing. If I was the one brewing the stuff, if made in bulk, each trip would be worth about 5-10 dollars to me.
Again, because its an accurate reflection of how much work I feel like I did, including the cost of supplies.

Thats just how I would do it when it comes to mushrooms. Its a personal choice. I have my reasons beyond the simple equasion I have presented. Those reasons have to do with an actual philosophy. Its a pretty psychedelic idea, so that part of it has more to do with my relationship with these substances and it is kind of hard to explain.
25 dollars is a great price for a potentially life changing experience.

Like this guy who grew mushrooms and sold them at blues fest. He charged 20 dollars for 4 grams. We asked the old man why he sells them for so cheap(we didnt understand this mentallity back then).
He said that he grows so many that this is what he needs to charge to make a very nice profit. Sure, he could have made an extra 5 or ten bucks per pop, but apparently he didnt want to be that guy. So many drug dealers often charge 30, because they didnt grow their own and they need to charge that much to make a profit.
Dealing this shit out is certainly a bitch. So it also depends on how you choose to deal and how much you think that trouble is worth.


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Re: High-priced shrooms [Re: stemmer]
    #5625001 - 05/13/06 03:18 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

I dont value my time with money, if I spent 25 years growing one ayahuasca tree and only harvested one branch and only got 3 doses out of it and I took 2 doses myself, how much would the last be worth? Everything or nothing? Survival is not linked to values, its not like if you don't make that 10 bucks is going to affect you positively or negatively? Your philosiphy of profit or self worth is lame, how much is the mushroom making off the deal? Ive always hated the whole sale of drugs and how it works at all levels, who ever doesnt want us having these drugs is doing a good job at keeping us seperated through greed and fear.


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Re: High-priced shrooms [Re: Springs]
    #5625285 - 05/13/06 05:23 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

"Your philosiphy of profit or self worth is lame, how much is the mushroom making off the deal"? ---> are you talking to me.
Well, if so..................

Your ability to equate the way I choose to think about this subject, with a philosophy of profit or self worth is pretty lame. This is how I treat the whole sale of drugs thing, it does not mean what you have made it out to mean.

"how much would the last be worth? Everything or nothing"?
------I guess I just have no idea what you are trying to say, or how it conflicts with what I am saying. My answer to that twisted question is "something".

"Ive always hated the whole sale of drugs and how it works at all levels, who ever doesnt want us having these drugs is doing a good job at keeping us seperated through greed and fear". <----I guess I feel the same way.
Is it customary to be totally disagreeable when talking about anything even remotely philosophical?
I guess I just dont get where you are coming from.

When selling a psychedelic experience, I simply choose to look at it like more of a gift than a product to be "gotten rid of" or sold. Im not saying that your average dealer is even capable of giving such discounts without ripping his or her self off. Thats why if I was selling any hallucinogenic drugs I would choose to separate my self from "the sale of drugs" as much as is possible, (hense the cheaper price). Needless to say, I wouldnt sell drugs unless I was growing drugs. If they are hallucinogenic drugs then my way of looking at it is unique, and only has to apply to the way I do things. I dont expect everyone to understand why I am so giving when it comes to hallucinogenic drugs that I have grown(hypothetically).
I have not even thoroughly explained why I choose to look at homegrown hallucinogens as gifts, so step off my dick.


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Re: High-priced shrooms [Re: stemmer]
    #5625374 - 05/13/06 05:56 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Here is my reply, which I was working on while tripping. :smirk:

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stemmer said:
Your obviously not the sharpest knife in the drawer.




Hey buddy, if you have a whetstone, feel free to let me borrow it.

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Im talking to you because you are absolutely hilarious.




You mean it isn't just my charming good looks? :smirk:

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    If you have a question just fucking ask.  Do you expect anybody to even brows your condescending bullshit posts?




To descend is to propel oneself backward; I ask you, is ascension not an enertaining notion to consider?  :mushroom2:

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  So what is your problem?




I don't have problems; I have oppurtunities. :wink:

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What is your motive?




An interesting question. To experience life, I guess. I think I used to concern myself with more directly experiencing and perceiving life, but I then had the realization that one simply experiences life as it presents itself. One can strive to remove obstructions that dampen our awareness and our experience, but yet one's experience is constantly fully present, even if obstructions that limit our awareness of that presence exist.

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I know what mine is.  So what the fuck is yours?
  Whats the problem? 




There is no problem, and there never was. Is the desire to communicate and to partake in discussion naturally something that indicates the existance of a problem? I ask you, what is the problem?

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  My first three statements were not tainted by your bullshit.




They weren't tainted by my bullshit, but they were tainted by yours. See?

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  What is your problem with them?




I already asked questions about these statements. I had no problem with them, but felt the need to inquire deeper into the matter.

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  Why are you so annoying when people are saying something VERY simple.




Hey buddy, all I did was ask some questions, regardless of how simple the statements they are in regards to are. When that becomes a crime, well, once more will I be a criminal.

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Really dude! what the hell is your issue you want to discuss.




As I recall, I was interested in discussing mushrooms. I was intrigued by the notion of intercourse concerning the retail market of mushrooms. If you aren't game, that's cool. I simply think that entrepreneurs dealing with mushrooms are going to be of a different character than those involved with the aforementioned sweet corn investments, although there is no real difference amongst them. :smirk:

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  If you asked the question without being a total doink I probably would have answered.  So just ask, or grow some balls and ask.....




:thumbup:

Interesting quote. I think I need to start a collection and save this one. Start a journal, simply taking note of the temperature in the morning, the afternoon, the evening, and the night. The date. Take record of the numbers. The store's sales. My department's sales. Last year to this year. Everyone's sales, honestly. I need to carry a notebook. I also need a cell phone, and a portable mp3 player with Boards of Canada and Celtic Cross on it.

I'll take note of my own funds as well, of mine and my girlfriend. Bills.

:smirk: I think I need to apply myself to this synthesizer that is seated at my left side. Honestly, why not? Maybe chill and watch Return of the King? Have a good one, my friend. :wink:



:lol: Last night was something else. :mushroom2:

Hey buddy, if you have a problem with me, fucking deal with it. If you can't handle being questioned and being replied to in the manner in which I do so, hit the fucking ignore button right now. Why waste your time and energy whining about it, eh? :lol: As you said, grow some fucking balls and deal with it like a fucking man. :shocked:

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Re: High-priced shrooms [Re: stemmer]
    #5625376 - 05/13/06 05:56 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

lol your taking this subject a little to seriously, ive kinda been treating this subject as a joke, if im standing on your dick I wasnt aware, im sure it smarts so Ill step off. Im sorry I cant understand your unique way of of doing things originally. Im twisting shit because you make it twistable, your arguing with your own philosiphy it seams like "Thats why if I was selling any hallucinogenic drugs I would choose to separate my self from "the sale of drugs" as much as is possible, (hense the cheaper price)"

"I dont expect everyone to understand why I am so giving when it comes to hallucinogenic drugs that I have grown(hypothetically).
I have not even thoroughly explained why I choose to look at homegrown hallucinogens as gifts, so step off my dick."

I agree they are gifts, gifts dont require compensation even at a bargin price. Im not trying to be argumentative, I didnt say anything in a negative manner, sorry if you misconcieved it.

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Re: High-priced shrooms [Re: Fospher]
    #5625432 - 05/13/06 06:09 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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Mushrooms shouldn't be sold at ridiculous prices, such as $50/eighth, just like they shouldn't be taken as a party drug. By party drug I mean, in the same way as alcohol, not as a few trippers taking it and going to the forest or even some kind of psychedelic event.




They should not be taken that way, eh?

The last time I was aware, it is simply a substance that an individual is free to  use as they wish.

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I am sure that all of us heard of stories of people getting trapped in their own private hell in their subconscious after taking some "shrooms to get fucked up", proceding by jumping out of buildings, getting naked in supermarkets, et cetera.




Yes, but how often does that really happen? I've been around people back in high school that merely concerned themselves with partying, alcohol, cocaine, any substance they could get their hands on. They tripped when it came around, in an alcohol party scenario. I don't recall them acting in the manners you describe.

Naturally, set and setting are essential when tripping on mushrooms, and yet, for these guys, they were in their accustomed set and setting. No problems.. they probably drank while they were on mushrooms, too. :lol:

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I've realized that whenever you go into the trip disrespecting the mushroom, it will not go by without consequences. The Teonanactl, the god of the sacred mushroom, is like a wise sensei, and has to be treated with the utmost respect. Whenever you fail to show it, it will retaliate with fury.




Seems like more of a fairy tale myth than anything within the realm of reality.

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Re: High-priced shrooms [Re: Springs]
    #5625453 - 05/13/06 06:14 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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I agree they are gifts, gifts dont require compensation even at a bargin price. Im not trying to be argumentative, I didnt say anything in a negative manner, sorry if you misconcieved it.

Im just replying to the text I see, not you.




:thumbup:

One lesson you will learn is that some individuals interpret being questioned or sometimes even replied to in a negative manner, as their sense of self is derived from their ideas, or perhaps from the sense that their ideas are "right".

Essentially, they need to get over themselves, as we all must do. :grin:

Oh, and also, using quote tags and emoticons makes you a horrible person. :lol: At least, to those with no sense of humor...

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Re: High-priced shrooms [Re: fireworks_god]
    #5625511 - 05/13/06 06:27 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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They should not be taken that way, eh?

The last time I was aware, it is simply a substance that an individual is free to use as they wish.






You can't classify these substances with the same group as say coke or meth, which are free to be used as pleased. They are not a different ball park of drugs, they're a whole another fucking sport.

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Yes, but how often does that really happen? I've been around people back in high school that merely concerned themselves with partying, alcohol, cocaine, any substance they could get their hands on. They tripped when it came around, in an alcohol party scenario. I don't recall them acting in the manners you describe.




You haven't known people like that, I have. Does it mean that we are both correct? No, it means that personal bias does not set a point. But the fact that those scenarios are very likely, does.

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Seems like more of a fairy tale myth than anything within the realm of reality.





A 'trip' is more like a fairy tale than reality. Heh.


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Re: High-priced shrooms [Re: Fospher]
    #5625690 - 05/13/06 07:04 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

fireworks_god........... Wow, You actually were talking to me while tripping. What a waist of time. Considering that what I was saying was so very simple, and hardly even interests ME.
I just have a weird way of looking at the whole drug sales thing.
I should have premised what I was saying a bit better.
I dont know why the way I do things should deserve such ridicule.
Its hardly a philosophy, and has nothing to do with capitalism, objectivism, or whatever.

Dont worry about stepping off my dick. Come to think of it, I like the feeling.

"Essentially, they need to get over themselves, as we all must do"<----now that was funny coming from fireworks_god.
Its all good. Enough of this petty fussing over the way one person deals with drugs. The ideas I presented are not flawed in anyway, so I should have said "you could step off my dick if you want to".
My last post was fine with me.
And sorry for the insults, I just thought the whole conversation(if you can call it that) was very funny. I added fuel to the fire for kicks because my message was already long gone. SO ya sorry about that fireworks_god. I was drunk, and you were tripping. Thats a hell of a mix. Were all good I hope.


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Re: High-priced shrooms [Re: stemmer]
    #5625741 - 05/13/06 07:18 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Were all good I hope.

Ouch, you just gave Fireworks his favorite opening.

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