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Re: High-priced shrooms [Re: Springs]
#5618095 - 05/11/06 04:59 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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A visit with the almighty Shroom God is priceless; for everthing else there is VISA...
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Re: High-priced shrooms [Re: Silversoul]
#5618103 - 05/11/06 05:00 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Peoples... Supply and Demand. I've got ___, and you want___. I'm selling it for ___. If you can find it cheaper, more power to you. If not, ___ is the price. Take it or leave it.
It is a business transaction, just like any other.( Albeit illegal) The seller takes most of the risk ( procurring, packaging and sales), and he is entitled to get whatever the market will hold for his time. That being said, Friends should always be taken care of. But to the general public... Peace
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Re: High-priced shrooms [Re: Sporetacus]
#5618109 - 05/11/06 05:02 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Depending on how ripped off your dealer was(which is usually the case), I would expect no more than 30 dollars for an eighth.
At some point you dont want to profit as much off of what so many call god.
Edited by stemmer (05/13/06 02:27 PM)
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deadheadjpc2000 said: Peoples... Supply and Demand. I've got ___, and you want___. I'm selling it for ___. If you can find it cheaper, more power to you. If not, ___ is the price. Take it or leave it.
It is a business transaction, just like any other.( Albeit illegal) The seller takes most of the risk ( procurring, packaging and sales), and he is entitled to get whatever the market will hold for his time. That being said, Friends should always be taken care of. But to the general public... Peace
Nice, concise summation. 
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If someone tried to sell me ayahuasca for 30 dollars per trip I would probably give them the finger and walk away(though the trip might just be FAR more intense than 3.5 grams of mushrooms. Thats all im saying.
Weed=hard to grow and it stinks up your house. Mushrooms= leave a mold concoction somewhere and reap the benafits. The dealers will treat their potential cash crop how ever they please.
Yes shrooms should cost money. 50 per eighth=shitty dealer. 30 dollars per eighth= typical. I wouldnt bring god into the scenario unless you are one of the people who believe It shouldnt be sold for cash and give away large amounts of shrooms away for free or for 10 dollars per eighth.
Why dont users of ayahuasca sell ayahuasca and make a shitload of money? HMMMM
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Re: High-priced shrooms [Re: stemmer]
#5618140 - 05/11/06 05:09 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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stemmer said: I think the money I make should be an accurate reflection of how much work I did.
Totally negating the "demand" aspect of the equation, eh?
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At some point you dont want to profit off of what so many call god.
Then who will fund your community service? 
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Re: High-priced shrooms [Re: stemmer]
#5618142 - 05/11/06 05:10 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Stemmer, Can you find it cheaper? Through another source? Then the price is 30. If you don't want to pay it, then don't. The seller will most likely find someone who will. OR, they will realize they are asking to much to move the product, and lower the price. Either way, It's up to you how bad you want it. ( I would give my left nut to met Lucy again) Peace
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fireworks_god said:
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stemmer said: I think the money I make should be an accurate reflection of how much work I did.
Totally negating the "demand" aspect of the equation, eh?
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At some point you dont want to profit off of what so many call god.
Then who will fund your community service? 
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If I grew mushrooms or sold drugs which I dont, The buyers would fund my community service. The right way.
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Re: High-priced shrooms [Re: stemmer]
#5618235 - 05/11/06 05:33 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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stemmer said: Im saying its subjective.
What is it that you are saying is subjective?
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Im saying the mushrooms, reguardless of whether you associate them with god should not enter into that simple equasion.
Why not?
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If not simply because they are so fucking easy to grow.
At a great amount of risk, first and foremost.
Not to mention the fact that not very many individuals that would potentially buy mushrooms are aware of how to grow them, or would be in a situation in which they could safely do so, or that they are not interested in investing the time or energy into growing them. Quite notably, the fact that growing mushrooms is a felony would be a strong deterrent.
Now, why should mushrooms not be considered a commodity for which goods and services can be exchanged?
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If they were legal I could make my point more clearly.
Why is that?
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SHit community service, are you kidding?
Offering a service to others, for free, is a community service.
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There are ways to avoid getting busted unless you are a moron...... Same goes when your giving them away for free.
Your point being what?
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I think you missed the point.
You stated "at some point, you will not want to profit" off of mushrooms.
Obviously, growing mushrooms has expenses.
I asked you a simple question; who will fund the community service that you are offering?
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Re: High-priced shrooms [Re: stemmer]
#5618309 - 05/11/06 05:58 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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stemmer said: No im saying you dont know what you are talking about.
Yes, I realize that it is an easy thing to say something like that, but it is really difficult to actually answer questions that are posed.
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Im saying, separate the shroom dealing thing from your "lets pick apart what this guy has to say in the most simple way as is possible".
I asked questions in order for you to respond to them. That is how a discussion works, my friend. Is there any reason why you would not feel compelled to participate in a discussion?
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In other words big guy.........Im saying seperate it from your silly little notion of capitalism that you learned in highschool.
"Big guy"? Does the fact that I have asked you questions regarding what you have expressed make you feel as though I am confronting you? Is it threatening to be asked questions?
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You have a hard time separating these amazing substances from their street value. A value that IS worth it(30 dollars), but even by what is hopefully your own standards has a hilariously high price. I hope you understand that.
Understand what? You don't seem to be interested in discussing this. If you have an idea, it is your responsibility to provide for an understanding.
Now, why is $30 worth it?
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Mushrooms should be cheap.... I made my own rules. Free for some 20 dollars for others. Varying prices really.
Gas prices should be cheap as well. Any reason why they are not?
What is the difference?
Now, let us try this again.
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stemmer said: Im saying the mushrooms, reguardless of whether you associate them with god should not enter into that simple equasion.
Why not?
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Re: High-priced shrooms [Re: stemmer]
#5618327 - 05/11/06 06:02 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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stemmer said: Because even then with the potential "far out" taxing and other assholish big business intervention, they would be far cheaper than 30 dollars per eighth.
How do you know that?
A typical magazine these days costs around $8.
A scenic, atmospheric rock fountain costs about $20.
Now, how much would a catalyst for a mindblowing, perception altering experience that is capable of transforming one's life cost? 
Are you telling me that such would not be exploited for its true value? 
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looks like we have 2 points of view- The seller and The buyer. Opposite sides of fence. The seller wants top $, as anyone would. The buyer wants all he can get for his money. Both have legitimate claims. The balance is achieved when the "deal goes down". Peace
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Im just saying to those who buy them, fuck those ninnys and grow your own. If you cant, then find the right dealer or bite the big one and pay 30-50 I guess..........
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Re: High-priced shrooms [Re: stemmer]
#5622244 - 05/12/06 06:50 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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stemmer said: The ways that people take advantage of growing simple mushrooms is variable. It depends on how they look at it.
Well, that goes without saying. The person with the goods makes the decision on what they are willing to accept in exchange for the goods.
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You ask alot of stupid questions is all.
And you come up with a lot of stupid answers. Wow, playing that game sure is fun. 
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The only one of your stupid questions I will bother to answer is "why 30 dollars"----its worth it for so very many people. Supply and demand as you so simply put it.
Yes, and $15 would be worth it for so very many more people.
Do you have a better answer to that stupid question? 
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Im not here to tell you how to sell mushrooms if you grow them.
And I'm not asking for advice on how to sell mushrooms, if I grow them.
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When it comes to mushrooms, depending on how easily you can grow/sell them(mute point when considering what I was saying in the first place). Its a holistic point of view really.
What is the holistic point of view? Your first sentence is incomplete, two prepositional phrases followed by... what? When it comes to mushrooms..... depending on how easily you grow them.... which is a moot point when considering what you were saying in the first place.... what?
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For the time you took to act like you are really "out there" about this subject given the words I had said, I dont expect you to understand the point.
I asked simple questions. How does that put me "out there"?
You don't expect me to understand; I don't expect you to answer any questions. 
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Im explaining how an enlightened individual acts when growing mushrooms.
What is the difference between an enlightened individual growing mushrooms and an enlightened individual who grows sweet corn?
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Its like a more blunt version of laissez faire. "An economic doctrine that opposes governmental regulation of or interference in commerce beyond the minimum necessary for a free-enterprise system to operate according to its own economic laws".
Yes, the government does not impose any regulation on the commercial exchange of mushrooms. 
So, what is your point, once again? That someone is free to decide what they charge? What does that have to do with my questions?
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I made my own laws. Didnt allow those drug dealers to tell me how much money I can make. I just dont like to take advantage of people. So ya, you missed my point.
Yes, I fully understand what you are saying. I asked you questions pertaining to other aspects of what you said - that is what I was interested in discussing. So you decided how much to sell mushrooms for, big deal. 
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I got to say my point did bring up more questions than there were answers. As did my last definition of laissez faire.
Then just say that when someone asks you a question you do not have an answer for, instead of avoiding the questions and directing comments towards me, such as "stupid questions", "big guy", "smart guy",etc.
Why pull an attitude with someone when they question what you say? Any emotional issues?
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Why do you think or dont think that making your own rules can go the way of "making less money"?
I don't think anything on that subject, and I am not pursuing discussion on that subject - my questions do not pertain to it, and it does not relate to the aspects of your post that I questioned.
Of course, you did ask me a question, and, in all fairness, in the spirit of discussion, I will answer it! 
Obviously, when someone has a product, they can make choices as to how much money they wish to make. Typically, the total price is a combination of the cost of the product for the seller and a markup, in order to generate a profit.
Now, if you are saying that you have grown mushrooms and at times would charge nothing, and other times you might charge some amount, that's great. Obviously, the cost to you to produce the mushrooms is not that substantial, and it is not as though you are relying on any profit in order to sustain yourself.
Personally, I would share mushrooms with friends and family, and leave it at that. Its a choice. 
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Derrrr.....
I know, we all lose the ability to properly function sometimes. 
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Thats why if it was legal it would be easier to understand my point of view. I have my own take on drug dealers who believe they have a monopoly on their hands(and they take full advantage).
$30 to $50 an eighth is taking full advantage?
Please, I sell mushroom chairs for $27.88. The other day, a woman took over thirty of them off of my hands. Thank god more came in that night, and today, another woman bought fourteen of them. They are colorful, comfortable, and soft.
Now, are you telling me that a mushroom experience is worth the same as a mushroom chair?
What is the price of an eighth of mushrooms as compared to the price of an eighteen pack of beer? What is the difference in the quality of the experience between the two? Are three eighteen packs equal to an eighth of mushrooms?
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I think the whole 30 dollars thing threw you off.
Threw me off of what? 
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Re: High-priced shrooms [Re: Sporetacus]
#5622578 - 05/12/06 08:10 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Sporetacus said: AFOAF recently bragged about how he was selling eights for $50. "No one else has 'em so I can charge whatever I want."
Capitalism at its finest or ...?
From this post it is somewhat difficult to determine if this belongs in this forum lovely Sportacus. Maybe politics or the PUB would be better suited for this most interesting subject.
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Re: High-priced shrooms [Re: stemmer]
#5622654 - 05/12/06 08:27 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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stemmer said: What I was saying was simple, I just didnt see why you needed to approach the simplicity of what I was saying by turning it into one of those annoying conversations someone will start in a philosophy class. You know, the never ending conversation.
I dont see the point of you asking me questions that you feel you already know the answer to. Your just waisting space in this thread.
Like someone will start in a philosophy class... philosophy forum... hhm.... 
I asked questions and was interested in discussing thoughts that you expressed. I was interested in further elaboration, expansion, an exchange of ideas and thoughts, to further develop those thoughts. I completely understand if you do not wish to engage in that type of behavior. I'm simply saying, don't act completely surprised when anyone wishes to do so, even with the ideas you have expressed. 
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I have a tendancy to avoid reading peoples words when they are ranting and acting like they understand something that I dont.
Do you feel as though I have ranted in this thread, or acted like I understood something that you don't? I personally feel as though, while they were elaborate, I was pretty straight-forward and to the point with my statements. Also, I know nothing of your understanding, and do not make assumptions regarding your understanding, and I also do not concern myself with petty behaviors such as the ones you describe.
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So I guess your questions are hidden in the clusterfucked posts that I didnt read.
Clusterfucked? Its pretty simple, actually. Call and response. I highlight a specific statement to which I am responding, and then I include my response.
If I were to include all of my responses to these statements of yours as one huge section of text, without referencing specifically what I was replying to, then it would be clusterfucked.
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So what was your question for me? me--(a guy who simply has an opinion about how people should treat the whole mushroom dealing issue).
If you are honestly interested in knowing my question(s) for you, and you are also interested in answering them, then feel free to scroll up and either read or reread my replies. I would hate to become redundant! 
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Its a personal choice.
I know; I stated as much in my previous reply, which you have claimed to not have read. Perhaps we reached an agreement, and you were not even aware of it? 
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And no, I dont really know how much mushrooms would cost if they were made legal. You got me there. You could be right, they might still cost quite a bit.
You stated that, if mushrooms were legalized, then you would be able to make your point better. You stated that, if they were legalized, then drug dealers would not have a monopoly, that the prices would be lower.
If you don't actually know what the prices would be, and realize that they could still cost as much (if not more - taxes, regulations), then how would you be able to make your point better? Drug dealers do not have a monopoly on mushrooms, and are not able to prevent others from selling them for less. Just about anyone is able to grow mushrooms and sell them.
It just depends on whether or not someone wishes to be an entrepreneur, eh? If they do make that decision, as they assume the risks in doing so, it better be fucking worth it, right?
That's the question on both sides, is it worth it? 
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Again, do you really have any questions for me? If so just ask me. Try to avoid quoting the hell out of me, and just ask a damn question that im willing to read.
I am who I am, and post as I post. I cannot conform to your expectations and requirements. I have already posed questions. Proper utilization of quotations is necessary in order to remove ambiguity. If you aren't willing to read my questions, in whatever form I present them, then I could care less if you will not answer them.
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Fireworks_god. I was actually bored enough to read your second to last clusterfuck of a post. Good god man! Could you please act more like an obnoxious kid who thinks he has the answers to everything. VERY snotty......So its obviously not worth reading your last post... Sorry for trying to get your ass out of my way with short hand writing. Thanks for correcting me. What I was originally saying is simple. What is most ridiculous is that we are on the same page here. You need to redirect your need to show how intelligent you are some other way, because you are obviously too smart to be waisting your energy on someones SIMPLE opinion about a subject that has no end. Do you even remember what the hell you were trying to ask me? If so, just ask.
By the way, none of the shit you have posted is streight forward. So howsbout being streight forward. What do you really want to know?
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