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kaniz
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Re: My Idea Sky Island [Re: mungojerry]
#5612648 - 05/10/06 01:04 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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Even burning man has some rules and guidelines that people are supposed to follow, and burning man is also for a short period of time.
While 'no rules' can work for fairly short periods of time, for extended periods of time, especially once you start talking years, it becomes a very different beast.
No rules very rarely means no rules, and eventually as time goes on - guidelines, rules, meetings and some form of organization and structure will naturally start to form. Like I said, start doing some reading up on Christiania, probably one of the most successful 'anarchy' communes, but even at that - rules started to come in, and they had a way of doing things and getting them done.
No rules rarely means 'no rules' in the literal sense, it just doesn’t work.
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mungojerry
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Re: My Idea Sky Island [Re: kaniz]
#5612671 - 05/10/06 01:12 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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well maybe no rules was phrased incorrectly...... no violence no theft ect its all simple common sense..... and if some cant live peacfully on Sky Island then we will boot the motherfuckers
whoever causes havoc will be sent back home.... the attraction of this island will be peace and freedom, so come here to expect and perform just that..... basically a hippy commune in the sky
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ezsefix
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Re: My Idea Sky Island [Re: mungojerry]
#5612684 - 05/10/06 01:15 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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Lmao. You can't compare a festival's rules to those of a semi-permanent society.
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mungojerry
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Re: My Idea Sky Island [Re: ezsefix]
#5612688 - 05/10/06 01:17 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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yeah good point..... its more of a hippie community
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Asante
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Re: My Idea Sky Island [Re: mungojerry]
#5612715 - 05/10/06 01:25 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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OTD is a prime example what will happen to Sky Island if you do away with rules.
What you need is a good mellow atmosphere but with a foundation of hard rules which are rigidly enforced without exception. Some people cannot stay on Sky Island and must be removed swiftly. No negotiations, no second chances, no trying to make them see the light, but a one way ticket to land right away.
The foundation for any kind of togetherness are respect and commitment to do the right thing. If these are wanting or absent altogether then you have no choice but to remove such a person, and to do this before they do damage.
Also, some drugs should be refused strictly, being speed, coke and opiates. Stimulant abuse makes some people aggressively nonsocial and opiate abuse makes some people passively nonsocial.
Sky Island should be like a fairy tale: ruled by a king who is benign and wise but takes not a speck of shit from anyone.
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mungojerry
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Re: My Idea Sky Island [Re: Asante]
#5612740 - 05/10/06 01:32 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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hmmm yes all that sounds good and i think ill do that if this ever goes thro but i dont know that i should boot a drug user perhaps a penalty other than banishment would be inline if they are caught speed, coke and opiates (not including opium)
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TODAY
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Re: My Idea Sky Island [Re: mungojerry]
#5612854 - 05/10/06 01:58 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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mungojerry said: hmmm yes all that sounds good and i think ill do that if this ever goes thro
Don't worry, it won't.
The idea of establishing an egalitarian (assuming this is what you want) community in international waters is feasible in principle but in order for it to get off the ground you need intelligent people who understand how/who to talk to to make things happen.
How will you finance this? You said you will be starting your own business? Lol. Ok ok, maybe when you get out of high school you can sell Oreo's with the cream pre-separated or something.
An oil rig is the best place to set up one of these communities (as W_S mentioned...great idea btw) because it is already built and the cost of its construction has been reimbursed by the oil it produced so the company holding it most likely wants to realize any capital it can from it if it is no longer productive...giving you (well, somebody with a better plan) the best price you can get on a "floating island".
Oil rigs (generally, manmade islands) are not productive as far as resources for agriculture. You'd be dependent on food imports from the USA. You could potentially build an ocean water distillation machine, but of course you have no idea how that would work and would be dependent on buying one with the money you don't have.
**The idea is an interesting one, and an idea many people have thought of, me included**
You just don't have the resources to make it happen. Dreaming unrealizeable goals is counterproductive. Keep the dreaming realistic.
Right now you are dreaming of a self-sufficient ocean living society while you have the resources to paddle an innertube out into the ocean and smoke a doob.
A better idea would be to establish the oil rig as a hotel or retreat of sorts where people can enjoy a relaxed soft-drug friendly atmosphere with plenty of entertainment available and a strict set of rules to make sure nobody is harmed.
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mungojerry
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Re: My Idea Sky Island [Re: TODAY]
#5612903 - 05/10/06 02:08 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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TODAY said:
Lol. Ok ok, maybe when you get out of high school you can sell Oreo's with the cream pre-separated or something.
I knew someone would get pissy over a crazy hypothetical.... this is nothing more than a cool thought and a dream I know that in reality this prolly will never happen, its jus an idea
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TODAY
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Re: My Idea Sky Island [Re: mungojerry]
#5612953 - 05/10/06 02:16 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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Yeah, I'm just the hard headed reality guy.
Did you miss the place in my post where I said it was an interesting idea?
I've thought about chartering a cruise boat for the same purpose...taking guests out into international waters for a weekend of fun. Sustaining a permanent society is different.
Also, I looked into the oilrig thing and apparently they have to be taken down (sunk or scrapped) upon decomission.
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capliberty
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Re: My Idea Sky Island [Re: mungojerry]
#5612960 - 05/10/06 02:16 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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Hey aren't they already doing this. I've watched a show where there making man made islands in the ocean. and celebrities are already putting bids for them, so anyone that says sky island isn't feasible are really under estimating our capabilities. They build these islands in the Caribbeans using large rocks and sand. Actually their making a whole bunch clustered all together. So if they can do this then sky island is definitely feasible
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mungojerry
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Re: My Idea Sky Island [Re: capliberty]
#5612976 - 05/10/06 02:20 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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definitely some motivation knowing its possible..... are there international laws?
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capliberty
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Re: My Idea Sky Island [Re: mungojerry]
#5613003 - 05/10/06 02:26 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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don't know I think these are American contractors in the Caribbeans so I guess its who ever can make it happen, cash rules u know, No one is going to contend with the Godzilla of the world, especially in the western hemisphere.
But their making these islands to be basically similar to natural islands with lush green vegetation and a tropical ecosystem, this is a big bucks operation, they plan on making whole bunch of these islands
Edited by capliberty (05/10/06 02:33 PM)
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zappa
please excusethe filth, yourmom was justhere
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Re: My Idea Sky Island [Re: capliberty]
#5617177 - 05/11/06 01:11 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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screw it, man. just take poland
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