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Why The Dems Won’t Win in November
#5616667 - 05/11/06 10:43 AM (18 years, 12 days ago) |
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Why The Dems Won’t Win in November http://blogs.forbes.com/digitalrules/2006/05/why_the_dems_wo.html
Dick Morris writes a stinker today in the beltway newspaper, The Hill, in which he says:
“The only way for a Republican to survive in 2006 is to run like a Democrat. The GOP line on oil companies totally misses the fact that voters see a vast conspiracy by big oil companies to manipulate the price to feather their own nests. All talk of supply increase or demand decrease is quite beside the point for the average voter. The issue is whether or not you are part of the conspiracy to fix and raise prices.
“The Republican position on climate change — that it isn’t happening or, if it is, it’s inevitable — also completely misses the views of the average voter who sees hurricanes, droughts, tornadoes and such as the consequence of years of air pollution.”
Rubbish, Dick.
Republicans need to do exactly the opposite. They need to run as tax and budget cutters. They need to lay out a clear border policy, along the lines suggested by Newt Gingrich. They should NOT get too panicked about the polls of the day, which hint at big Dem wins in November. Rest assured: The Dems will blow their lead. They always do. And here’s why.
Jim Pinkerton says over-the-top Dem rhetoric about impeachment will rally even the most jaded Republican to turn out in November. Thomas Bray says much the same thing.
Richard Cohen, a Washington Post liberal, says the American Left is so full of hate these days that it will blow up the Democratic party as it did in 1968 [http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2006/05/digital_lynch_mob.html]. Cohen himself has felt the heat of this hate in recent weeks. He writes:
“Two weeks ago, I wrote about Al Gore's new movie on global warming. I liked the film. In response, I instantly got more than over 1,000 e-mails, most of them praising Gore, some of them calling him the usual names and some, in what passes for logic nowadays, concluding there was no such thing as global warming if only because Gore said there was. I put the messages aside for a slow day when I would answer them.
“Then I wrote about Stephen Colbert and his unfunny performance at the White House Correspondents' dinner. Kapow! Within a day, I got more than 2,000 e-mails. A day later, I got 1,000 more. By the fourth day, the number had reached 3,499 -- a figure that does not include the usual offers of nubile Russian women or loot from African dictators. The Colbert messages began with Patrick Manley (``You wouldn't know funny if it slapped you in the face'') and ended with Ron (``Colbert ROCKS, you MURDER'') who was so proud of his thought that he copied countless others. Ron, you're a genius.
“Truth to tell, I peeked into only a few of the e-mails. I did this because I would sometimes recognize a name I thought I knew, which was almost always a mistake. When I guilelessly clicked on the name, I would get a bucket of raw, untreated and disease-laden sewage right in the face. I'd quickly delete the thing, like closing a manhole cover, and move on, trying to figure out how to peek into an e-mail without getting the full, ugly message. No way.
“The e-mails pulse in my queue, emanating raw hatred. This spells trouble -- not for Bush or, in 2008, the next GOP presidential candidate, but for Democrats. The anger festering on the Democratic left will be taken out on the Democratic middle. (Watch out Hillary!) I have seen this anger before -- back in the Vietnam War era. That's when the anti-war wing of the Democratic Party helped elect Richard Nixon. In this way, they managed to prolong the very war they so hated.
“The hatred is back. I know it's only words now appearing on my computer screen, but the words are so angry, so roiled with rage, that they are the functional equivalent of rocks once so furiously hurled during anti-war demonstrations.”
The hate that animates the American Left today is a sad thing … so different than the search for common good, quality and social justice which used to animate progressive politics, says Brad Carson, a former Democratic Congressman from Oklahoma. He’s right. That’s why I don’t lose too much sleep worrying about Speaker Pelosi.
Any of you Angry Haters think the left will take back the House or Senate??????
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Re: Why The Dems Won’t Win in November [Re: lonestar2004]
#5616844 - 05/11/06 11:44 AM (18 years, 12 days ago) |
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At this point it cant get much worse no matter which way it goes, I'm just hoping for some change...
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Re: Why The Dems Won’t Win in November [Re: EquilibriuM]
#5616868 - 05/11/06 11:50 AM (18 years, 12 days ago) |
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Any of you Angry Haters think the left will take back the House or Senate??????
You post all this shit badmouthing the left and have the nerve to call them haters? Pot, kettle, black.
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Re: Why The Dems Won’t Win in November [Re: EquilibriuM]
#5617146 - 05/11/06 01:03 PM (18 years, 12 days ago) |
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EquilibriuM said: At this point it cant get much worse no matter which way it goes, I'm just hoping for some change...
change.... I wish.
We have an unpopular Republican President, an unpopular Republican House and Senate that will continue to win elections. (because the only alternative are a bunch of moon bats.)
Unfortunately this may be as good as it gets....
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Re: Why The Dems Won’t Win in November [Re: Silversoul]
#5617150 - 05/11/06 01:05 PM (18 years, 12 days ago) |
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Whether its going to be a Democrat or a Republican majority in the House and Senate, I wish for the opposite party for the executive branch. This current spending is bullshit. Bring back gridlock!!!!!!!
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Re: Why The Dems Won’t Win in November [Re: lonestar2004]
#5617167 - 05/11/06 01:09 PM (18 years, 12 days ago) |
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my view is that the democrats do hate to much to win the presidential election in '08. it seems to me that the dems hate Bush and his administration so much (don't get me wrong, i do too) that they don't pay attention to alot of the things they should be focusing on. many people in America are sick of both sides (as am I) because it seems the Dems do nothing but hate on Republicans and the Republicans do nothing but give into the Dems. We need some major change and the way that our government has the people so brainwashed i dont think that will happen for a very long time. that why im moving to canada
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Re: Why The Dems Won’t Win in November [Re: lonestar2004]
#5617261 - 05/11/06 01:37 PM (18 years, 12 days ago) |
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I wonder how Republicans are able to make their hatred work so well?
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Re: Why The Dems Won’t Win in November [Re: lonestar2004]
#5617331 - 05/11/06 01:54 PM (18 years, 12 days ago) |
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Why should the republicans want to solve the illegal immigration problem when corporations clearly benefit off them, and if you look at the Republicans financial benefactors its usually Corporations paying for their campaigns, Democrats are usually supported by Unions (AFL-CIO,teachers unions)
Republicans crying about colbert is absolute hilarity. It reminds me that "most" Republicans (and i sure hate to generalize republicans the way you generalize democrats)Love to dish out the heat yet when someone offends them their the first to cry political correctness.Im sure it would be a different story if Colbert made fun of democrats (which he does) but since republicans are such diehard party loyalists they can never ever take a little criticism.
They sit around and babble about how the liberals control the media yet when a network tries to air some retarded documentary about Reagan the right has the panties in a immediate bind yet they complain how the media is controlled by liberals.
Its such a ridiculous double standard so illogical so retarded. I think the Republicans or whats left of their party right now is heading down an embarrasing road that will more than likely lead to most of them being outted out of congress.
Its not a matter of republicans and democrats its because people are sick and tired of corruptness in government.
Keep making these kinds of posts Lonestar i need entertainment like this to make me laugh.
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Re: Why The Dems Won’t Win in November [Re: lonestar2004]
#5617510 - 05/11/06 02:37 PM (18 years, 12 days ago) |
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Is there anything actually substantive in the article you posted or your subsequent posts? Democrats are crazy and filled with hatred so they won't win elections. Thanks. If no more significant changes occur between now and election day I can't fathom the Democrats not taking back at least the House. I'm pretty sure every post of yours I read makes me want to see the Democrats win more and more. A divided Congress will *hopefully* create some gridlock, will *hopefully* send a message to Republicans about how unpalatable some of this neocon shit is to voters, and will *hopefully* mark the official beginning of President George Walker Bush's lame duck years. One can hope.
At the end of the day of course it really doesn't matter all that much who wins. This system is fucked and the electorate, by and large, doesn't care. This partisan tripe just sickens the shit out of me. Christ.
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Re: Why The Dems Won’t Win in November [Re: lonestar2004]
#5617707 - 05/11/06 03:26 PM (18 years, 12 days ago) |
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Re: Why The Dems Won’t Win in November [Re: lonestar2004]
#5617825 - 05/11/06 03:58 PM (18 years, 12 days ago) |
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either way colbert's performance was awsome, and just to clarify he didnt necessarily rip on only republicans. he also attacked the media and how they are and to quote a great dueschbag Tucker Carlson , they are the politician's "Butt Boys." Either way fuck the republican party esp with all this NSA bullshit. That shit gets me steamed and I think their decadence is clearly evident in the fact that their OWN party members are starting to question this horrible administration built entirely upon lies, manipulation and suppression. I mean look at the facts at what it has done when challenged:
9/11 ->Enacted Patriot Act, wrongfully went to war, started a big brother spy on americans program, published misinformation to go to war, blamed and fucked over underlings when said misinformation spreading became public.
Katrina-> Royally fucked that up, blamed other agencies, destroyed countless numbers of lives, destroyed a longtime historical city.
Allowed horrible price gauging of gasoline only to pretend that they give a shit come election time.
Screwed up unemployment rate only to claim how great they are doing when bringing it back to what it WAS when the administration started.
Oh ya not to mention the fact that the whole 9/11 thing where they apparently had reports that it was a possibility beforehand.
Honestly if anybody thinks the republican party is going to continue on with their stranglehold on the government, eating up other agencies and placing their members in power, then they are diluted. I dont think its that the democratic party is unjustly hateful if they are even hateful, its just that what has and is be accomplished is ridiculous.
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Re: Why The Dems Won’t Win in November [Re: lonestar2004]
#5618108 - 05/11/06 05:02 PM (18 years, 12 days ago) |
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The Dems and Rep's are both so unbelievably worthless, but I would like to see a divided gov't so the spending stops. Plus, the Rep's had their turn at fucking up the country, so I suppose the Dem's should have a chance to muck it up just as much.
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Re: Why The Dems Won’t Win in November [Re: lonestar2004]
#5618159 - 05/11/06 05:13 PM (18 years, 12 days ago) |
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We have an unpopular Republican President, an unpopular Republican House and Senate that will continue to win elections. (because the only alternative are a bunch of moon bats.)
if the democrats are moon bats..then the republicans are the bull goose moon bats...two reasons why they always win (this year being no different) are ..a) vote fraud.. and b) the elections (plural) are on districts which are unequal but nonetheless still elect one representative each...
in national polls which ignore both of the above..the non-bullgoose moonbats win hands down...
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Re: Why The Dems Won’t Win in November [Re: Annapurna1]
#5618184 - 05/11/06 05:19 PM (18 years, 12 days ago) |
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I don't like parties that blow money. You can't even talk about Democrats being spenders after Bush's presidency. He pretty much hit a record.
Democrats will take the house, then prolly the white house. The Republicans have had so many scandals that I doubt the American people trust them anymore. I thought Bush's administration was supposed to bring back values and honor back to the White House? The Congress?
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Re: Why The Dems Won’t Win in November [Re: downforpot]
#5618203 - 05/11/06 05:24 PM (18 years, 12 days ago) |
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The economy happens to be ticking along at an extraordinarily fine pace, and that is the most important thing.
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Re: Why The Dems Won’t Win in November [Re: zappaisgod]
#5618339 - 05/11/06 06:04 PM (18 years, 12 days ago) |
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The Republicans extended the dividend and capital gains tax cuts to 2010. I'm going to get even wealthier.
The competent get richer and the incompetent get poorer. We need some means to improve the race.
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Re: Why The Dems Won’t Win in November [Re: zappaisgod]
#5618406 - 05/11/06 06:18 PM (18 years, 12 days ago) |
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The economy was fine with Clinton in power. Not to mention Clinton pretty much set the record for sending troops overseas.
Economy is the most important thing? Yea, the economy was great before the depression too.
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Re: Why The Dems Won’t Win in November [Re: lonestar2004]
#5618642 - 05/11/06 07:18 PM (18 years, 12 days ago) |
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http://www.prospect.org/web/page.ww?section=root&name=ViewWeb&articleId=11489
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A Bankrupt Party Instead of offering new ideas, the GOP is counting on scare tactics to get voters to the polls.
By Harold Meyerson
The emerging Republican game plan for 2006 is, at bottom, a tautology: If the Democrats retake Congress it will mean, well, that the Democrats retake Congress. (Cue lightning bolt and ominous clap of thunder.) Karl Rove and his minions have plumb run out of issues to campaign on. They can't run on the war. They can't run on the economy, where the positive numbers on growth are offset by the largely stagnant numbers on median incomes and the public's growing dread of outsourcing. Immigration may play in various congressional districts, but it's too dicey an issue to nationalize. Even social conservatives may be growing weary of outlawing gay marriage every other November. Nobody's buying the ownership society. Competence? Ethics? You kidding?
The Republicans' problem is not simply their inability to run their government and wage their war of choice, it is also their bankruptcy of ideas. On taxes, the Republican legislative leaders' top priorities are to make permanent the tax cut on investment income and to repeal the estate tax -- economics, as ever, for our wealthiest 1 percent. (This at a time when the entire theory of trickle-down has been negated by the propensity of U.S. corporations to use their shareholders' investments to expand abroad rather than at home.) On energy, the notions of tougher fuel economy standards and mandating a shift to renewable energy sources are so alien to the Republicans' DNA that they come forth with such proposals as Bill Frist's $100 rebate, the most short-lived legislative initiative in recent memory.
There's no concealing the Republican collapse. In a USA Today-Gallup poll released this week, the president's approval rating had deflated to a dismal 31 percent -- and to just 52 percent among conservatives. Other recent polls have shown that the public prefers shifting congressional control to the Democrats by margins as high as 17 percent. Numbers can change, of course, but it's hard to see what the Republicans can do to reverse this tsunami. They can mount an October surprise attack on Iran, but that would require someone making a convincing public case that Iran poses an imminent threat to us and that preemptive war is the only solution. And who, in the wake of the deceptions with which they justified their war in Iraq, has the credibility to do that? Bush? Cheney? Rumsfeld? These guys have turned themselves into Lucy holding the football, while the American people no longer afford them a Charlie Brown benefit of the doubt.
And so, to stave off the specter of Democratic rule, Rove has decided that the only way to rally the Republican base is to invoke the specter of Democratic rule. Democrat John Conyers, who would become chairman of the House Judiciary Committee, has spoken of investigating the president for high crimes and misdemeanors. Henry Waxman and Ted Kennedy will get subpoena power if the Democrats win both houses. Unspecified horrors lurk behind every corner if the Democrats take control and hold hearings about the administration's relations with the oil and pharmaceutical industries. A sea of partisan vendetta, Republicans prophesy, stretches to the horizon if the Democrats are allowed to win.
As a strategy, this has its shortcomings. It's not clear how many independents, or even conservatives, will warm to a campaign that focuses on forestalling congressional oversight -- not with gas prices soaring and the American military bogged down in a war with an increasingly undefinable mission. Moreover, the Democrats are now, finally, having some success at defining themselves.
In a recent spate of interviews, Democratic House leader Nancy Pelosi has emphasized her party's fast-forward version of its first Hundred Days in power -- in this case, what the Democrats would do in their first week running Congress. They would raise the minimum wage for the first time since 1997. They would repeal the section of the Medicare drug plan that forbids the government from negotiating lower prices with the drug industry. They would fully implement the recommendations of the Sept. 11 commission, and they would restore the congressional rule, suspended by Republicans, requiring that all new programs be paid for by a specific new spending source or offset by a commensurate cut in another program.
Pelosi doesn't deny that Congress would resume its oversight functions, but she has made clear that any decision to impeach anybody (which is not on her agenda) would be hers and the caucus's -- not John Conyers's, certainly not the Democratic blogosphere's.
Her critics on her left and right notwithstanding, Pelosi is one of the smartest pols on the political landscape -- as is attested by her ability to unify her fractious colleagues and designate John Murtha to attack the administration on the war. Now she's begun to outline the Democrats' own Contract With America. It ain't bad -- and for Republicans, that ain't good.
Harold Meyerson is editor-at-large of The American Prospect. This column originally appeared in The Washington Post. © 2006 by The American Prospect, Inc.
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Re: Why The Dems Won’t Win in November [Re: Annapurna1]
#5618755 - 05/11/06 07:48 PM (18 years, 12 days ago) |
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Holy shit, raise the minimum wage? Who ain't gonna vote for that?
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Re: Why The Dems Won’t Win in November [Re: lonestar2004]
#5618806 - 05/11/06 08:02 PM (18 years, 12 days ago) |
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I imagine libbies will be bumping this thread in a few months.
I think the glory days for the Republican Party is once again coming to a close. I think they'll lose control of the senate fairly easily, and in 2008 the Dems will probably easily take the White House.
After Bush and the Iraq War, I can't see the Republican party gaining any momentum for awhile. At this point it seems the only thing most Republicans are pleased with in regard to Bush is John Roberts and Samuel Alito.
Bush won the 2004 election mainly because of the Religious Right, which rose up that year to support Bush, and just months after being re-elected the Religious Right quickly became disillusioned with Bush. Had the 2004 election occurred under the circumstances present in 2005 onward, John Kerry would have seized the White House.
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Re: Why The Dems Won’t Win in November [Re: downforpot]
#5619021 - 05/11/06 09:00 PM (18 years, 11 days ago) |
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downforpot said: Holy shit, raise the minimum wage? Who ain't gonna vote for that?
These advocates of minimum wages fail to see the real effect of minimum wages on society and are rather swayed by the initial nominal increases in wages. The cost of production goes up with the rise in wage bill. The failure to raise the productivity of the workers to the wage level is certain to rocket the prices. Would a student worker be able to do the work more efficiently if the wage is increased to $ 10.0? There might be incentives to work hard but definitely productivity is not going to increase at a rate comparable to the raise in wage levels as increase in productivity demands more training and education including other things. So, ultimately the society has to suffer from higher prices and most of the times the increase in prices tends to negate the effect of rise in nominal wages. So, higher wages which are not accompanied by an increase in productivity tend to raise the prices and decrease the living standard.
Not only will there be effects on prices, but also disastrous effects on the employment as a result of the minimum wage. The basic economic argument claims that a rise in wage level cuts off the number of those employed. This is due to the fact that employers do not find some of those less skilled workers worth hiring at the higher wage rate. The employers will cut the number of workers working for them. Hence, the lower demand of low-skilled workers is sure to worsen the lives of those who may get fired from the work. And, the ones to get fired are those who do not have good skills.
And thus, by setting up a minimum wage, rather than benefiting the workers earning less, they are made worse off without employment. Those workers who are supposed to get higher wages as determined by minimum wage are likely to lose their jobs as many of them do not have many skills. Establishment of minimum wage does not have much impact on those who are skilled. Minimum wage rather helps those who have sufficient skills as they can retain their jobs even at the higher wage rates. Therefore, minimum wage is bound to benefit the skilled workers at the expense of the less-skilled ones. Minimum wages decreases international competitiveness. So, employers are likely to outsource the jobs to foreign workers who are willing to work at a lower wage. So, it further aggravates the employment problem.
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Re: Why The Dems Won’t Win in November [Re: EquilibriuM]
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So the raise in minimum wage during Clinton's era did not help the economy, unemployment went up?
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Re: Why The Dems Won’t Win in November [Re: EquilibriuM]
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The cost of production goes up with the rise in wage bill. The failure to raise the productivity of the workers to the wage level is certain to rocket the prices.
The more minimum wage earners earn, the more money they will spend on shit the corporations they work for are selling. Trickle up theory.
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Re: Why The Dems Won’t Win in November [Re: 1stimer]
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You also have all the illegal aliens being hired in order to avoid the minimum wage laws.
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Re: Why The Dems Won’t Win in November [Re: downforpot]
#5619358 - 05/11/06 10:42 PM (18 years, 11 days ago) |
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downforpot said: So the raise in minimum wage during Clinton's era did not help the economy, unemployment went up?
You asked who would vote against raising minimum wage, I responded with credible arguments against minimum wage laws. The answer to your question is MANY people would vote against raising the minimum wage, and also a good number of people would like to do away with minimum wage laws all together. Personally I think minimum wage laws are bullshit, but I don't like very many laws at all.
I am no economist and I am not qualified to argue the "Clinton era economics and unemployment rates" with you. Mostly because it really does not interest me in the least. I concede that "the Clinton era" was a time of much growth, how much of that was a result of a raise in the minimum wage, I cannot be certain. I believe that employers should have the freedom to pay what fits their needs. If workers have a problem with their wages, they can always find a new employer.
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Re: Why The Dems Won’t Win in November [Re: EquilibriuM]
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Dude, did you ever hear of Costco? They start people that are just like grocery baggers at like 10$ an hour compared to Wal Mart's $6.50 and Costco is growing at an amazing rate because of the decreased overhead costs and turnover rates. People work a lot harder knowing they wanna keep a good paying job. How any normal working person can simply spout the same rhetoric the corporation CEOs themselves spout is beyond me. Its like sticking a knife in all of our backs...
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Re: Why The Dems Won’t Win in November [Re: ArcofaJourney]
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ArcofaJourney said: Dude, did you ever hear of Costco? They start people that are just like grocery baggers at like 10$ an hour compared to Wal Mart's $6.50 and Costco is growing and an amazing rate because of the decreased overhead costs and turnover rates. People work a lot harder knowing they wanna keep a good paying job. How any normal working person can simply spout the same rhetoric the corporation CEOs themselves spout is beyond me. Its like sticking a knife in all of our backs...
Right, but that's only because CostCo's wages are so high compared to others. If every place paid $10 an hour, the results would be quite different.
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Re: Why The Dems Won’t Win in November [Re: Silversoul]
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Right, but that's only because CostCo's wages are so high compared to others. If every place paid $10 an hour, the results would be quite different.
yeah, but it's a much harder fall from 10 an hour to nothing if fired than it is from 5.75 or whatever to nothing. Ok, we'll just outlaw the minimum wage, let everyone work at McDonalds for 2$ an hour. How much work do you think anyone would do?
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Re: Why The Dems Won’t Win in November [Re: ArcofaJourney]
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They'll do whatever work it takes to get by, just like they do now. Oh, and IIRC, McDonald's currently pays more than minimum wage.
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Re: Why The Dems Won’t Win in November [Re: ArcofaJourney]
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Thats what I'm talking about and its great. Fuck walmart, work for costco!
No, seriously, FUCK WALMART.
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Re: Why The Dems Won’t Win in November [Re: Silversoul]
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My friend doesn't even make 7 bucks an hour at McDonalds. Actually he quit, nm, he sells weed now.
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Re: Why The Dems Won’t Win in November [Re: downforpot]
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I'm going to reiterate a very cogent argument made by Wilshire a year or so ago. Eating McDonalds three times a day, every day, all week is indisputably unhealthy for you -- if you were to start eating like this tomorrow, it would probably not be long before you started gaining some serious weight. Let's further imagine that you run a mile every morning before the breakfast McGriddle, or whatever. After a month of McDonalds three times a day and a mile run every morning, you find you've gained 25 pounds. Which seems to be the more likely conclusion:
(1) Running a mile every morning does not elicit weight loss and may, in fact, cause weight gain. (2) Any weight loss that might have come about as a result of running a mile a day was completely nullified and then some by the awful eating habits.
(1) or (2)?
Had enough time?
The correct answer would be (2). Likewise with minimum wage, pointing to PERIOD_OF_TIME_X and declaring that 'the minimum wage was raised and unemployment stayed stagnant or decreased, clearly you greedy capitalists are wrong' is a fallacious argument. The laws of economics are immutable -- if a price floor is imposed on labor, the demand for it will decrease even as the supply of it increases, this is undeniable. In the situation above, had the person not ran a mile a day, he probably would have gained even more weight. In the Clinton Years example, had the minimum wage not been raised we almost certainly would have had even less unemployment and an even more vibrant economy.
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Re: Why The Dems Won’t Win in November [Re: ArcofaJourney]
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Right, but that's only because CostCo's wages are so high compared to others. If every place paid $10 an hour, the results would be quite different.
yeah, but it's a much harder fall from 10 an hour to nothing if fired than it is from 5.75 or whatever to nothing. Ok, we'll just outlaw the minimum wage, let everyone work at McDonalds for 2$ an hour. How much work do you think anyone would do?
Can you explain why anyone at all gets paid higher than minimum wage right now? Surely the race to the bottom that is endemic to Capitalism should occur regardless of a few dollars difference in the minimum wage, no?
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Re: Why The Dems Won’t Win in November [Re: Basilides]
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Basilides said: I imagine libbies will be bumping this thread in a few months.
I think the glory days for the Republican Party is once again coming to a close. I think they'll lose control of the senate fairly easily, and in 2008 the Dem's will probably easily take the White House.
A few posters have predicted a Democrat house win in 2006. I stand by my prediction that the Dem's will lose the House and Senate again. The voters will not be exited to show up to vote for a party that runs on "I hate Bush, we will cause gridlock, and we have no ideas.
If I'm wrong I will be eating lots of crow.
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Re: Why The Dems Won’t Win in November [Re: lonestar2004]
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I think the Dem's will win both, but it won't make a damn bit of a difference.
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Re: Why The Dems Won’t Win in November [Re: Basilides]
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Basilides said: I imagine libbies will be bumping this thread in a few months.
I think the glory days for the Republican Party is once again coming to a close. I think they'll lose control of the senate fairly easily, and in 2008 the Dems will probably easily take the White House.
After Bush and the Iraq War, I can't see the Republican party gaining any momentum for awhile. At this point it seems the only thing most Republicans are pleased with in regard to Bush is John Roberts and Samuel Alito.
Bush won the 2004 election mainly because of the Religious Right, which rose up that year to support Bush, and just months after being re-elected the Religious Right quickly became disillusioned with Bush. Had the 2004 election occurred under the circumstances present in 2005 onward, John Kerry would have seized the White House.
I will not be eating any crow in November.
I still predict the Reps will win the House and Senate. AGAIN
In 2008 Reps win the White House again, and the House and Senate. AGAIN
2010 reps win house and senate. AGAIN
2012!!!!! IMO This is when the Democratic party Dies. It becomes equal to the green party.
Why????? Demographics
"New England stands to lose about 20 percent of its congressional seats over the next quarter-century as political power follows population booms in the South and West."
http://www.boston.com/news/local/connect...olitical_clout/
the South is growing in electoral clout even as the Republican hold on the region solidifies.
"Democratic strongholds of New York, Pennsylvania, Illinois, Massachusetts and Michigan would lose a combined 17 Electoral College votes." " Over that same period, Florida (up nine, to 36) and Texas (up eight, to 42) could gain that many votes alone. Arizona (up five, to 15), which has voted Democratic for president only once since 1952, would be the other big winner."
http://www.spokesmanreview.com/breaking/story.asp?ID=3995
IMO the Democrats are likely to be A small minority party for as long as a generation. Thankfully
Hopefully... a new Honest party will grow to challenge the One Party Nation.
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Re: Why The Dems Won’t Win in November [Re: lonestar2004]
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I love how how you call the left "haters" yet the very article you quoted has Richard Cohen pointing out that the most response he got were emails from Republicans hating on Steven Colbert. Priceless.
Look, both parties have figured out how to turn out their base at election time by riling them up. Republicans use Bill "Rile em up" O'Reilly and Democrats use people like Michael Moore. If you are so against haters then you should also be against the demagogues who encourage them and lower the tone of public discourse.
Jim Pinkerton says over-the-top Dem rhetoric about impeachment will rally even the most jaded Republican to turn out in November.
What "over-the-top rhetoric"? Personally I don't find the airways abuzz with talk of impeachment. That's just silly. There is some if you look for it, but I would hardly call it "over-the-top". "Under-the-surface" would be a more apt description.
But I do agree with you that Republicans are not doomed and should focus on border security and cutting spending if they want to have a better chance of holding onto their majorities.
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Re: Why The Dems Won’t Win in November [Re: Ancalagon]
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I'm going to reiterate a very cogent argument made by Wilshire a year or so ago. Eating McDonalds three times a day, every day, all week is indisputably unhealthy for you -- if you were to start eating like this tomorrow, it would probably not be long before you started gaining some serious weight. Let's further imagine that you run a mile every morning before the breakfast McGriddle, or whatever. After a month of McDonalds three times a day and a mile run every morning, you find you've gained 25 pounds. Which seems to be the more likely conclusion:
(1) Running a mile every morning does not elicit weight loss and may, in fact, cause weight gain. (2) Any weight loss that might have come about as a result of running a mile a day was completely nullified and then some by the awful eating habits.
(1) or (2)?
Had enough time?
The correct answer would be (2). Likewise with minimum wage, pointing to PERIOD_OF_TIME_X and declaring that 'the minimum wage was raised and unemployment stayed stagnant or decreased, clearly you greedy capitalists are wrong' is a fallacious argument. The laws of economics are immutable -- if a price floor is imposed on labor, the demand for it will decrease even as the supply of it increases, this is undeniable. In the situation above, had the person not ran a mile a day, he probably would have gained even more weight. In the Clinton Years example, had the minimum wage not been raised we almost certainly would have had even less unemployment and an even more vibrant economy.
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Re: Why The Dems Won’t Win in November [Re: lonestar2004]
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I think the glory days for the Republican Party is once again coming to a close. I think they'll lose control of the senate fairly easily, and in 2008 the Dem's will probably easily take the White House.
A few posters have predicted a Democrat house win in 2006. I stand by my prediction that the Dem's will lose the House and Senate again. The voters will not be exited to show up to vote for a party that runs on "I hate Bush, we will cause gridlock, and we have no ideas.
If I'm wrong I will be eating lots of crow.
No, the Dems are running on pushing money into saving the environment and cracking down or corporations abusing it, they will run on continuing their effort to thwart terrorism and not scare America into wars with past terrorist attacks, they will run on saving the internet, they will run on removing all unrepublican-like (small government eh?) terrorism measures, but continue to crack down on terror by WARRANTED spying.
They are running on not making America look like a bunch of fools by having a babbling idiot for a president, an idiot who can't articulate as well as my 7 year daughter.
Then again, I pay attention to what they're saying and there voting records, so I'm not one to say "oooh both parties suck we can't do anything boohoo" I say get out there and vote, we have one party paid for by corporations and one party paid for by unions and just plain old people. Which one do you think will be more fair? Look at the voting records. What illogical, retarded things have every single democrat united for like the republicans have united for removing net neutrallity?
C'mon man, we know you're a republican if you claim "Ohh you know what, both parties are corrupt and suck so don't vote for either. Boohoo."
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Re: Why The Dems Won’t Win in November [Re: beatnicknick]
#6115815 - 09/29/06 02:36 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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"the Dem's will run on saving the internet,"net neutrallity"
The Internet needs to be saved? and Net Neutrality sounds like Socialism to me.
Would you please tell me in your own words what exactly net neutrality is and why its going to save the Internet?
Please no spin article just your own words.
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Re: Why The Dems Won’t Win in November [Re: lonestar2004]
#6115911 - 09/29/06 03:02 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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Single party superpower. This hasn't exactly worked out in the past.
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Re: Why The Dems Won’t Win in November [Re: Gijith]
#6115936 - 09/29/06 03:10 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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Gijith said: Single party superpower. This hasn't exactly worked out in the past.
I am only predicting it. IMO we need a new and improved party to surface.
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Re: Why The Dems Won’t Win in November [Re: beatnicknick]
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beatnicknick said: they will run on continuing their effort to thwart terrorism
Really? What exactly has the Dem's effort to thwart terrorism been thus far? It seems like it used to be "just do what the Republicans say" and now it's become "whine about the Republican plans"
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So, contributions by "plain old people" who belong to the massive conservative religious base in the US counts as "corporate contributions?"
Also, is this a multiple-choice question? I'm pretty sure that union-bought votes are going to be pretty unfair...
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Remember that time Democratic President LBJ asked congress if he could have support to fight the Vietnam War? Well...
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Or you could be a legitimate third party supporter. I've gone to the polls and voted Libertarian in the past 5 elections because it's actually what I believe in.
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Re: Why The Dems Won’t Win in November [Re: lonestar2004]
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If the repubs loose, which i think is a good possibility if they haven't corrupted the voting system, it will be because the people want change. Everyone knows the path we are on isn't going in a good direction, that fact alone will be their downfall in the next election.
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Re: Why The Dems Won’t Win in November [Re: lonestar2004]
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Please no spin article just your own words.
that's funny coming from you.
and for the record, democrats may hate bush, but it seems pretty clear that republicans hate pretty much everyone else. there's the muslims, the french, the germans...actually i might as well say europe, the UN, environmentalists, anti-war protesters, activist celebrities, hilary clinton, john kerry, al gore...democrats in general i guess. i could dig around this forum for twenty minutes and find just as many instances of you "conservatives" putting down, slandering, or basically "hating" all of those groups. i mean seriously lonestar, are you trying to sound like a hypocrite?
i'll bump this thread for you after the elections in november.
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Re: Why The Dems Won’t Win in November [Re: lonestar2004]
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I am only predicting it. IMO we need a new and improved party to surface.
Its going to be boring on election nights. 2006 will have a few surprises but the next day the Reps will still be running things.
and by 2012 the Reps will have over 250 electoral votes already guaranteed before election night. boring.....
Thats why I have a feeling we're at some new beginning, that a big breakup is coming, we'll someday look back on this era as the time when a shift began.
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Re: Why The Dems Won’t Win in November [Re: JonnyOnTheSpot]
#6116056 - 09/29/06 03:53 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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Please no spin article just your own words.
that's funny coming from you.
i'll bump this thread for you after the elections in november.
Maybe I am wrong Now that the Dem's are going to save the internet.
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Re: Why The Dems Won’t Win in November [Re: Redstorm]
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Redstorm said: The Dems and Rep's are both so unbelievably worthless, but I would like to see a divided gov't so the spending stops. Plus, the Rep's had their turn at fucking up the country, so I suppose the Dem's should have a chance to muck it up just as much.
that is a most retarded sentiment.
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Re: Why The Dems Won’t Win in November [Re: JonnyOnTheSpot]
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The same could be said pretty much for the unthinking left.All you did was name democratiuc icons, you didn't actually point out any leftist ideals that the republicans could even begin to embrace.
When I say "unthinking left" I mean the ones whotend to just follow trend without really much understanding of what is going on, and it must be agreed that there are just as many unthinking lefts as there are rights.
I for one am pro war but also pro national education system. Many hyere, you included would call me a right wing guy.
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that is a most retarded sentiment.
It certainly is not. It is entirely reasonable. Both parties have had a chance to run things, and both have more or less fucking up catastrophically.
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Re: Why The Dems Won’t Win in November [Re: Redstorm]
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All you are saying is that the government is run by chance, and a difference in philosophies and opinions doesn't matter.
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Where in the fuck did I say anything near what you just typed?
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There are ideas and long standing beliefs born out by many experiences over time that shape political parties and to say that they are equal in merit is simply not very well thought out.
Republicans win more because they simply espouse a view that is better demonstrated to be effective and reliable government.
Until Bitch got in office and started going crazy with our constitutuion.
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Re: Why The Dems Won’t Win in November [Re: Redstorm]
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Redstorm said: The Dems and Rep's are both so unbelievably worthless, but I would like to see a divided gov't so the spending stops. Plus, the Rep's had their turn at fucking up the country, so I suppose the Dem's should have a chance to muck it up just as much.
that is a most retarded sentiment.
Both parties have had a CHANCE to run things,.
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You can't be serious. Reading comprehension is key. In that sentence "chance" and "opportunity" could be used interchangably. I don't know how you read it, but that's not how it was meant.
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nakors_junk_bag
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Re: Why The Dems Won’t Win in November [Re: Redstorm]
#6117132 - 09/29/06 10:20 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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Redstorm said: You can't be serious. Reading comprehension is key. In that sentence "chance" and "opportunity" could be used interchangably. I don't know how you read it, but that's not how it was meant.
reading comprehnsion is my mutant power, 800 out of 800 on my sat's.
To think that you actually believe that we should let democrats in office because they "might" run the country better is nuts.
Because they are owed the oppurtunity to fuck up because the"reps" did, that is idiotic.
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nakors_junk_bag
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where do you stand?
I am on the far end of the right, excluding education and military.
The statement you made makes it sound as if you don't have any allegiance, and if you have no allegiance then you can't really have faith in your own values and beliefs.
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nakors_junk_bag
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This makes everytyhing you say nothing.
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Silversoul
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nakors_junk_bag said: where do you stand?
I am on the far end of the right, excluding education and military.
The statement you made makes it sound as if you don't have any allegiance, and if you have no allegiance then you can't really have faith in your own values and beliefs.
From everything I've seen of his posts, he's a moderate libertarian.
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nakors_junk_bag
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Re: Why The Dems Won’t Win in November [Re: Silversoul]
#6117168 - 09/29/06 10:28 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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Silversoul said:
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nakors_junk_bag said: where do you stand?
I am on the far end of the right, excluding education and military.
The statement you made makes it sound as if you don't have any allegiance, and if you have no allegiance then you can't really have faith in your own values and beliefs.
From everything I've seen of his posts, he's a moderate libertarian.
a what?
A contradiciton of terms?
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nakors_junk_bag
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Re: Why The Dems Won’t Win in November [Re: Silversoul]
#6117178 - 09/29/06 10:30 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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I am a libertarian in all things except the fact I believe in a huge "post office" and a national school system.
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Basilides
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Re: Why The Dems Won’t Win in November [Re: lonestar2004]
#6117285 - 09/29/06 11:10 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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I bet this thread will be bumped if the Dems win in November
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Re: Why The Dems Won’t Win in November [Re: Basilides]
#6117301 - 09/29/06 11:14 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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It'll probably be bumped either way.
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Redstorm
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Re: Why The Dems Won’t Win in November [Re: Silversoul]
#6117333 - 09/29/06 11:22 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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You are 100% correct about my alignment.
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nakors_junk_bag
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Re: Why The Dems Won’t Win in November [Re: Redstorm]
#6117393 - 09/29/06 11:37 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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It seesm like you don't even know what libertarians are.
They would never want the dems to win, no matter how bad the "reps" fucked up. They ARE ANTI BIG GOV TIL THE WORLD ENDS.
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Redstorm
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Holy Christ, have you even read my posts? I never said I wanted the Democrats to win. If you can point me to where I said that, I would appreciate it.
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nakors_junk_bag
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Re: Why The Dems Won’t Win in November [Re: Redstorm]
#6117427 - 09/29/06 11:46 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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Redstorm said: You are 100% correct about my alignment.
you are aligned with those crazy d and d nerds aren't u?
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nakors_junk_bag
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me too hahahahaha lololololololol
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nakors_junk_bag
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ALLS I am saying is you need to be more deliberate with what you say.
Remember, context is hardest to understand and most people suck at it, therefore you must be sure to leave them no option except what you want them to understand, lest the become dumbfused.
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Re: Why The Dems Won’t Win in November [Re: RedAlgae]
#6117845 - 09/30/06 05:07 AM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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The competent get richer and the incompetent get poorer.
As it should be.
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Re: Why The Dems Won’t Win in November [Re: EquilibriuM]
#6118613 - 09/30/06 02:10 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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EquilibriuM said: No, seriously, FUCK WALMART.
Hey buddy, what's your enlightened perspective on Wal*Mart, from which you offer your judgement?
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nakors_junk_bag said: The same could be said pretty much for the unthinking left.All you did was name democratiuc icons, you didn't actually point out any leftist ideals that the republicans could even begin to embrace.
i didn't list any liberal ideals because that would have had nothing to do with this thread. he posted an article claiming the left is so filled with hate that they will lose the election. i was just pointing out how ridiculously hypocrital that is to say, and last i checked france and germany weren't leftist icons. they're just countries that most conservatives are openly hostile towards because of their refusal to bend to bush's every whim.
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Re: Why The Dems Won’t Win in November [Re: fireworks_god]
#6118835 - 09/30/06 03:38 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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fireworks_god said:
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EquilibriuM said: No, seriously, FUCK WALMART.
Hey buddy, what's your enlightened perspective on Wal*Mart, from which you offer your judgement?
 Peace.
He wanted to be promoted from stockboy to greeter but they didn't want him that close to the customers.
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