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Why The Dems Won’t Win in November
#5616667 - 05/11/06 10:43 AM (18 years, 12 days ago) |
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Why The Dems Won’t Win in November http://blogs.forbes.com/digitalrules/2006/05/why_the_dems_wo.html
Dick Morris writes a stinker today in the beltway newspaper, The Hill, in which he says:
“The only way for a Republican to survive in 2006 is to run like a Democrat. The GOP line on oil companies totally misses the fact that voters see a vast conspiracy by big oil companies to manipulate the price to feather their own nests. All talk of supply increase or demand decrease is quite beside the point for the average voter. The issue is whether or not you are part of the conspiracy to fix and raise prices.
“The Republican position on climate change — that it isn’t happening or, if it is, it’s inevitable — also completely misses the views of the average voter who sees hurricanes, droughts, tornadoes and such as the consequence of years of air pollution.”
Rubbish, Dick.
Republicans need to do exactly the opposite. They need to run as tax and budget cutters. They need to lay out a clear border policy, along the lines suggested by Newt Gingrich. They should NOT get too panicked about the polls of the day, which hint at big Dem wins in November. Rest assured: The Dems will blow their lead. They always do. And here’s why.
Jim Pinkerton says over-the-top Dem rhetoric about impeachment will rally even the most jaded Republican to turn out in November. Thomas Bray says much the same thing.
Richard Cohen, a Washington Post liberal, says the American Left is so full of hate these days that it will blow up the Democratic party as it did in 1968 [http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2006/05/digital_lynch_mob.html]. Cohen himself has felt the heat of this hate in recent weeks. He writes:
“Two weeks ago, I wrote about Al Gore's new movie on global warming. I liked the film. In response, I instantly got more than over 1,000 e-mails, most of them praising Gore, some of them calling him the usual names and some, in what passes for logic nowadays, concluding there was no such thing as global warming if only because Gore said there was. I put the messages aside for a slow day when I would answer them.
“Then I wrote about Stephen Colbert and his unfunny performance at the White House Correspondents' dinner. Kapow! Within a day, I got more than 2,000 e-mails. A day later, I got 1,000 more. By the fourth day, the number had reached 3,499 -- a figure that does not include the usual offers of nubile Russian women or loot from African dictators. The Colbert messages began with Patrick Manley (``You wouldn't know funny if it slapped you in the face'') and ended with Ron (``Colbert ROCKS, you MURDER'') who was so proud of his thought that he copied countless others. Ron, you're a genius.
“Truth to tell, I peeked into only a few of the e-mails. I did this because I would sometimes recognize a name I thought I knew, which was almost always a mistake. When I guilelessly clicked on the name, I would get a bucket of raw, untreated and disease-laden sewage right in the face. I'd quickly delete the thing, like closing a manhole cover, and move on, trying to figure out how to peek into an e-mail without getting the full, ugly message. No way.
“The e-mails pulse in my queue, emanating raw hatred. This spells trouble -- not for Bush or, in 2008, the next GOP presidential candidate, but for Democrats. The anger festering on the Democratic left will be taken out on the Democratic middle. (Watch out Hillary!) I have seen this anger before -- back in the Vietnam War era. That's when the anti-war wing of the Democratic Party helped elect Richard Nixon. In this way, they managed to prolong the very war they so hated.
“The hatred is back. I know it's only words now appearing on my computer screen, but the words are so angry, so roiled with rage, that they are the functional equivalent of rocks once so furiously hurled during anti-war demonstrations.”
The hate that animates the American Left today is a sad thing … so different than the search for common good, quality and social justice which used to animate progressive politics, says Brad Carson, a former Democratic Congressman from Oklahoma. He’s right. That’s why I don’t lose too much sleep worrying about Speaker Pelosi.
Any of you Angry Haters think the left will take back the House or Senate??????
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Re: Why The Dems Won’t Win in November [Re: lonestar2004]
#5616844 - 05/11/06 11:44 AM (18 years, 12 days ago) |
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At this point it cant get much worse no matter which way it goes, I'm just hoping for some change...
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Re: Why The Dems Won’t Win in November [Re: EquilibriuM]
#5616868 - 05/11/06 11:50 AM (18 years, 12 days ago) |
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Any of you Angry Haters think the left will take back the House or Senate??????
You post all this shit badmouthing the left and have the nerve to call them haters? Pot, kettle, black.
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Re: Why The Dems Won’t Win in November [Re: EquilibriuM]
#5617146 - 05/11/06 01:03 PM (18 years, 12 days ago) |
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EquilibriuM said: At this point it cant get much worse no matter which way it goes, I'm just hoping for some change...
change.... I wish.
We have an unpopular Republican President, an unpopular Republican House and Senate that will continue to win elections. (because the only alternative are a bunch of moon bats.)
Unfortunately this may be as good as it gets....
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Re: Why The Dems Won’t Win in November [Re: Silversoul]
#5617150 - 05/11/06 01:05 PM (18 years, 12 days ago) |
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Whether its going to be a Democrat or a Republican majority in the House and Senate, I wish for the opposite party for the executive branch. This current spending is bullshit. Bring back gridlock!!!!!!!
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Re: Why The Dems Won’t Win in November [Re: lonestar2004]
#5617167 - 05/11/06 01:09 PM (18 years, 12 days ago) |
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my view is that the democrats do hate to much to win the presidential election in '08. it seems to me that the dems hate Bush and his administration so much (don't get me wrong, i do too) that they don't pay attention to alot of the things they should be focusing on. many people in America are sick of both sides (as am I) because it seems the Dems do nothing but hate on Republicans and the Republicans do nothing but give into the Dems. We need some major change and the way that our government has the people so brainwashed i dont think that will happen for a very long time. that why im moving to canada
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Re: Why The Dems Won’t Win in November [Re: lonestar2004]
#5617261 - 05/11/06 01:37 PM (18 years, 12 days ago) |
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I wonder how Republicans are able to make their hatred work so well?
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Re: Why The Dems Won’t Win in November [Re: lonestar2004]
#5617331 - 05/11/06 01:54 PM (18 years, 12 days ago) |
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Why should the republicans want to solve the illegal immigration problem when corporations clearly benefit off them, and if you look at the Republicans financial benefactors its usually Corporations paying for their campaigns, Democrats are usually supported by Unions (AFL-CIO,teachers unions)
Republicans crying about colbert is absolute hilarity. It reminds me that "most" Republicans (and i sure hate to generalize republicans the way you generalize democrats)Love to dish out the heat yet when someone offends them their the first to cry political correctness.Im sure it would be a different story if Colbert made fun of democrats (which he does) but since republicans are such diehard party loyalists they can never ever take a little criticism.
They sit around and babble about how the liberals control the media yet when a network tries to air some retarded documentary about Reagan the right has the panties in a immediate bind yet they complain how the media is controlled by liberals.
Its such a ridiculous double standard so illogical so retarded. I think the Republicans or whats left of their party right now is heading down an embarrasing road that will more than likely lead to most of them being outted out of congress.
Its not a matter of republicans and democrats its because people are sick and tired of corruptness in government.
Keep making these kinds of posts Lonestar i need entertainment like this to make me laugh.
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Re: Why The Dems Won’t Win in November [Re: lonestar2004]
#5617510 - 05/11/06 02:37 PM (18 years, 12 days ago) |
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Is there anything actually substantive in the article you posted or your subsequent posts? Democrats are crazy and filled with hatred so they won't win elections. Thanks. If no more significant changes occur between now and election day I can't fathom the Democrats not taking back at least the House. I'm pretty sure every post of yours I read makes me want to see the Democrats win more and more. A divided Congress will *hopefully* create some gridlock, will *hopefully* send a message to Republicans about how unpalatable some of this neocon shit is to voters, and will *hopefully* mark the official beginning of President George Walker Bush's lame duck years. One can hope.
At the end of the day of course it really doesn't matter all that much who wins. This system is fucked and the electorate, by and large, doesn't care. This partisan tripe just sickens the shit out of me. Christ.
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Re: Why The Dems Won’t Win in November [Re: lonestar2004]
#5617707 - 05/11/06 03:26 PM (18 years, 12 days ago) |
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Re: Why The Dems Won’t Win in November [Re: lonestar2004]
#5617825 - 05/11/06 03:58 PM (18 years, 12 days ago) |
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either way colbert's performance was awsome, and just to clarify he didnt necessarily rip on only republicans. he also attacked the media and how they are and to quote a great dueschbag Tucker Carlson , they are the politician's "Butt Boys." Either way fuck the republican party esp with all this NSA bullshit. That shit gets me steamed and I think their decadence is clearly evident in the fact that their OWN party members are starting to question this horrible administration built entirely upon lies, manipulation and suppression. I mean look at the facts at what it has done when challenged:
9/11 ->Enacted Patriot Act, wrongfully went to war, started a big brother spy on americans program, published misinformation to go to war, blamed and fucked over underlings when said misinformation spreading became public.
Katrina-> Royally fucked that up, blamed other agencies, destroyed countless numbers of lives, destroyed a longtime historical city.
Allowed horrible price gauging of gasoline only to pretend that they give a shit come election time.
Screwed up unemployment rate only to claim how great they are doing when bringing it back to what it WAS when the administration started.
Oh ya not to mention the fact that the whole 9/11 thing where they apparently had reports that it was a possibility beforehand.
Honestly if anybody thinks the republican party is going to continue on with their stranglehold on the government, eating up other agencies and placing their members in power, then they are diluted. I dont think its that the democratic party is unjustly hateful if they are even hateful, its just that what has and is be accomplished is ridiculous.
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Re: Why The Dems Won’t Win in November [Re: lonestar2004]
#5618108 - 05/11/06 05:02 PM (18 years, 12 days ago) |
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The Dems and Rep's are both so unbelievably worthless, but I would like to see a divided gov't so the spending stops. Plus, the Rep's had their turn at fucking up the country, so I suppose the Dem's should have a chance to muck it up just as much.
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Re: Why The Dems Won’t Win in November [Re: lonestar2004]
#5618159 - 05/11/06 05:13 PM (18 years, 12 days ago) |
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We have an unpopular Republican President, an unpopular Republican House and Senate that will continue to win elections. (because the only alternative are a bunch of moon bats.)
if the democrats are moon bats..then the republicans are the bull goose moon bats...two reasons why they always win (this year being no different) are ..a) vote fraud.. and b) the elections (plural) are on districts which are unequal but nonetheless still elect one representative each...
in national polls which ignore both of the above..the non-bullgoose moonbats win hands down...
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Re: Why The Dems Won’t Win in November [Re: Annapurna1]
#5618184 - 05/11/06 05:19 PM (18 years, 12 days ago) |
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I don't like parties that blow money. You can't even talk about Democrats being spenders after Bush's presidency. He pretty much hit a record.
Democrats will take the house, then prolly the white house. The Republicans have had so many scandals that I doubt the American people trust them anymore. I thought Bush's administration was supposed to bring back values and honor back to the White House? The Congress?
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Re: Why The Dems Won’t Win in November [Re: downforpot]
#5618203 - 05/11/06 05:24 PM (18 years, 12 days ago) |
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The economy happens to be ticking along at an extraordinarily fine pace, and that is the most important thing.
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Re: Why The Dems Won’t Win in November [Re: zappaisgod]
#5618339 - 05/11/06 06:04 PM (18 years, 12 days ago) |
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The Republicans extended the dividend and capital gains tax cuts to 2010. I'm going to get even wealthier.
The competent get richer and the incompetent get poorer. We need some means to improve the race.
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Re: Why The Dems Won’t Win in November [Re: zappaisgod]
#5618406 - 05/11/06 06:18 PM (18 years, 12 days ago) |
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The economy was fine with Clinton in power. Not to mention Clinton pretty much set the record for sending troops overseas.
Economy is the most important thing? Yea, the economy was great before the depression too.
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Re: Why The Dems Won’t Win in November [Re: lonestar2004]
#5618642 - 05/11/06 07:18 PM (18 years, 12 days ago) |
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http://www.prospect.org/web/page.ww?section=root&name=ViewWeb&articleId=11489
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A Bankrupt Party Instead of offering new ideas, the GOP is counting on scare tactics to get voters to the polls.
By Harold Meyerson
The emerging Republican game plan for 2006 is, at bottom, a tautology: If the Democrats retake Congress it will mean, well, that the Democrats retake Congress. (Cue lightning bolt and ominous clap of thunder.) Karl Rove and his minions have plumb run out of issues to campaign on. They can't run on the war. They can't run on the economy, where the positive numbers on growth are offset by the largely stagnant numbers on median incomes and the public's growing dread of outsourcing. Immigration may play in various congressional districts, but it's too dicey an issue to nationalize. Even social conservatives may be growing weary of outlawing gay marriage every other November. Nobody's buying the ownership society. Competence? Ethics? You kidding?
The Republicans' problem is not simply their inability to run their government and wage their war of choice, it is also their bankruptcy of ideas. On taxes, the Republican legislative leaders' top priorities are to make permanent the tax cut on investment income and to repeal the estate tax -- economics, as ever, for our wealthiest 1 percent. (This at a time when the entire theory of trickle-down has been negated by the propensity of U.S. corporations to use their shareholders' investments to expand abroad rather than at home.) On energy, the notions of tougher fuel economy standards and mandating a shift to renewable energy sources are so alien to the Republicans' DNA that they come forth with such proposals as Bill Frist's $100 rebate, the most short-lived legislative initiative in recent memory.
There's no concealing the Republican collapse. In a USA Today-Gallup poll released this week, the president's approval rating had deflated to a dismal 31 percent -- and to just 52 percent among conservatives. Other recent polls have shown that the public prefers shifting congressional control to the Democrats by margins as high as 17 percent. Numbers can change, of course, but it's hard to see what the Republicans can do to reverse this tsunami. They can mount an October surprise attack on Iran, but that would require someone making a convincing public case that Iran poses an imminent threat to us and that preemptive war is the only solution. And who, in the wake of the deceptions with which they justified their war in Iraq, has the credibility to do that? Bush? Cheney? Rumsfeld? These guys have turned themselves into Lucy holding the football, while the American people no longer afford them a Charlie Brown benefit of the doubt.
And so, to stave off the specter of Democratic rule, Rove has decided that the only way to rally the Republican base is to invoke the specter of Democratic rule. Democrat John Conyers, who would become chairman of the House Judiciary Committee, has spoken of investigating the president for high crimes and misdemeanors. Henry Waxman and Ted Kennedy will get subpoena power if the Democrats win both houses. Unspecified horrors lurk behind every corner if the Democrats take control and hold hearings about the administration's relations with the oil and pharmaceutical industries. A sea of partisan vendetta, Republicans prophesy, stretches to the horizon if the Democrats are allowed to win.
As a strategy, this has its shortcomings. It's not clear how many independents, or even conservatives, will warm to a campaign that focuses on forestalling congressional oversight -- not with gas prices soaring and the American military bogged down in a war with an increasingly undefinable mission. Moreover, the Democrats are now, finally, having some success at defining themselves.
In a recent spate of interviews, Democratic House leader Nancy Pelosi has emphasized her party's fast-forward version of its first Hundred Days in power -- in this case, what the Democrats would do in their first week running Congress. They would raise the minimum wage for the first time since 1997. They would repeal the section of the Medicare drug plan that forbids the government from negotiating lower prices with the drug industry. They would fully implement the recommendations of the Sept. 11 commission, and they would restore the congressional rule, suspended by Republicans, requiring that all new programs be paid for by a specific new spending source or offset by a commensurate cut in another program.
Pelosi doesn't deny that Congress would resume its oversight functions, but she has made clear that any decision to impeach anybody (which is not on her agenda) would be hers and the caucus's -- not John Conyers's, certainly not the Democratic blogosphere's.
Her critics on her left and right notwithstanding, Pelosi is one of the smartest pols on the political landscape -- as is attested by her ability to unify her fractious colleagues and designate John Murtha to attack the administration on the war. Now she's begun to outline the Democrats' own Contract With America. It ain't bad -- and for Republicans, that ain't good.
Harold Meyerson is editor-at-large of The American Prospect. This column originally appeared in The Washington Post. © 2006 by The American Prospect, Inc.
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Re: Why The Dems Won’t Win in November [Re: Annapurna1]
#5618755 - 05/11/06 07:48 PM (18 years, 12 days ago) |
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Holy shit, raise the minimum wage? Who ain't gonna vote for that?
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Re: Why The Dems Won’t Win in November [Re: lonestar2004]
#5618806 - 05/11/06 08:02 PM (18 years, 12 days ago) |
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I imagine libbies will be bumping this thread in a few months.
I think the glory days for the Republican Party is once again coming to a close. I think they'll lose control of the senate fairly easily, and in 2008 the Dems will probably easily take the White House.
After Bush and the Iraq War, I can't see the Republican party gaining any momentum for awhile. At this point it seems the only thing most Republicans are pleased with in regard to Bush is John Roberts and Samuel Alito.
Bush won the 2004 election mainly because of the Religious Right, which rose up that year to support Bush, and just months after being re-elected the Religious Right quickly became disillusioned with Bush. Had the 2004 election occurred under the circumstances present in 2005 onward, John Kerry would have seized the White House.
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