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Offlinequillini
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UK says close Guantanamo
    #5614284 - 05/10/06 07:03 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/politics/4759317.stm

Should "enemy combatants" be held indefinitely without trial? Thoughts?


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Re: UK says close Guantanamo [Re: quillini]
    #5614332 - 05/10/06 07:12 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Sounds like some kind of wild, liberal conspiracy to close down Guantanamo and not hold captive US and EU citizens with no disregard to law and very little, if any evidence.

My thoughts are Guantanamo should be closed immediately.

But still! Liberal conspiracy!


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Re: UK says close Guantanamo [Re: bukkake]
    #5614619 - 05/10/06 08:14 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

No, they should not be held.

They should be killed, or set free based on accurate interrogation techniques coupled with sodium pentathol.


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Re: UK says close Guantanamo [Re: SirTripAlot]
    #5614897 - 05/10/06 09:19 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Killing should only be done during combat. They should be interrogated and then put through a program to "reprogram" them. The government should make schools inside the prisons that basically teach Islam but also teach tolerance. The problem with a lot of Islamic schools is that they teach intolerance and hate.

We should basically put them in these kind of programs that teach them to be devout Muslims but also change their ways of thinking. They should be taught the "peaceful" parts of the Quran. We should also fund Islam schools abroad that also teach muslims to be devout but also tolerant because obviously our enemies are teaching a devotion to Islam but with a message of hate and intolerance.


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Re: UK says close Guantanamo [Re: SirTripAlot]
    #5616151 - 05/11/06 02:16 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

They should be killed

Especially when no-one knows whether they're guilty or not.

based on accurate interrogation techniques

Such as?

sodium pentathol

Have you been watching too many 60's James Bond films?


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Re: UK says close Guantanamo [Re: quillini]
    #5616315 - 05/11/06 05:45 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Of course the camp should be shut down. If it was any other nation that ran such a camp, the US would condemn them immediately.

Holding people without trial indefinately and subjecting them to torture is utterly, utterly wrong.


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Re: UK says close Guantanamo [Re: OJK]
    #5616388 - 05/11/06 07:43 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Alex213 stated:Have you been watching too many 60's James Bond films?



Probably.......my comment was half in jest. What I was trying to stab at, was the duration of the "combatants" stay at the prison. By now, we should know if they are guilty or not. Unfortunately, the CIA is the laughing stock of the intelligence community. But, unlike some people, I have little compassion for "combatants" who are deemed guilty by tribunal or whatever. Kill them and be done with it, send the innocent ones free. The Guantanamo Bay situation is just one of a hundred things done operationally wrong, during a military engagement.


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Re: UK says close Guantanamo [Re: quillini]
    #5616471 - 05/11/06 08:51 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

I have no problem with Gitmo existing, but I do have a problem with how it is being used.


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Re: UK says close Guantanamo [Re: Redstorm]
    #5627571 - 05/14/06 06:47 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

The thing that I have never understood about it is that it is in Cuba.


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Re: UK says close Guantanamo [Re: gregorio]
    #5627813 - 05/14/06 09:45 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Enemy combatants out of uniform should be hanged by the neck just like they've done in other wars.


LONDON - The number of Islamic extremist security suspects in Britain has increased by 50 percent since the deadly suicide bombings in London last year, The Observer newspaper said on Sunday.


A senior intelligence source at the country’s domestic spy agency MI5 was quoted as saying that they were targeting 800 such suspects before the bombings on July 7 last year, but that figure now stood at 1,200.

In September 2001, the number of people deemed a “risk to national security” was 250, the newspaper said.

The unnamed MI5 source did not give a reason for the apparent rise in radicalisation but described the threat as “current, relentless and increasing”.

The Observer said a radical Islamic cleric whose sermons were attended by one of the July 7 bombers is to be released from prison ”within weeks” after serving just over half of a nine-year sentence for inciting murder and racial hatred.

Jamaican-born Abdullah el-Faisal once preached at the Brixton, south London, mosque attended by “Shoebomber” Richard Reid and Zacarias Moussaoui, the only man to be convicted in connection with the September 11, 2001 attacks.

He was convicted by a British jury in 2003 after his trial heard he had called for the murder of all non-Muslims and justified the use of nuclear and chemical weapons.

The newspaper said an order for his deportation was filed by the Home Office on March 30 but his lawyers have applied for his release on parole pending his removal.

http://www.khaleejtimes.com/DisplayArtic...n=theworld&col=


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Re: UK says close Guantanamo [Re: quillini]
    #5659467 - 05/22/06 09:02 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

UN Calls on Al Qaeda to Open Detention Facility

by Scott Ott

(2006-05-20) — A day after releasing a report accusing the United States of torture, and demanding closure of its terrorist detention facility at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, the United Nations anti-torture panel called on Al Qaeda to “open a detention facility anywhere, hold prisoners for years without charges, and subject them to controversial interrogation techniques.”

“The U.S. is a super power that has violated the 1984 Convention Against Torture,” said U.N. Secretary-General Kofi Annan, “But Al Qaeda is still is a developing power, so we must have different expectations and goals for Mr. Bin Laden.”

The panel’s report laid out a process designed to move al Qaeda in “baby steps” from its current practice of beheading and blowing up innocent civilians, to taking them prisoner and torturing them, to eventually running a clean, safe, modern prisoner-of-war camp in full compliance with the United Nations protocols.

Meanwhile, U.S. Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld said the Pentagon is considering a plan to transfer its 460 ‘Gitmo’ detainees to the U.N., “where a group of international thugs, still awaiting charges, would not attract so much attention.”


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