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Ibogaine HCL - any expierences with it?
    #5613690 - 05/10/06 04:50 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

So, a little birdy may be able to get me some Ibogaine HCL -- and I'm just curious if anyone has any expierences with it? There seems to be a lacking of info over at erowid - there is some, but not much. I've also been reading through some of the expierences @ this website, and they seem very interesting.

Not looking for a 'recreational' trip, and this seems to be some pretty heavy stuff.


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Re: Ibogaine HCL - any expierences with it? [Re: kaniz]
    #5613732 - 05/10/06 05:02 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

I might be interested in that... where did the birdy come from?


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Re: Ibogaine HCL - any expierences with it? [Re: EquilibriuM]
    #5613783 - 05/10/06 05:14 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

I've never done it, but from what I've heard from people using/administering it in a medical context, HAVE A SITTER who can monitor you as there is a risk of slowed heart rate. Plus most people don't want to move at all during the experience because of extreme nausea caused by moving the head, so its best to have someone there who can see to your needs. The Ibogaine Dossier has some info on it, but mostly in its use as a treatment for addiction.


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Re: Ibogaine HCL - any expierences with it? [Re: kaniz]
    #5613874 - 05/10/06 05:40 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

A few years ago I purchased 7 grams from a therapist while in Holland. I took it several times by myself and once with friends in the desert. My dosage was 1.25 grams. It's a very unique substance to say the least. I cannot emphasise
enough that this is not a recreational drug. It's not really a fun experiance at all, but an important one. Life is very different afterwards( in a good way). It has a way of bringing up old attachments that need work. My first trip brought up something that I thought I had worked through and was totally at peace with. It was my brothers death during the Vietnam war more than 3 decades ago. Iboga showed me that I was still holding resentment although I had worked on it with LSD and time. It showed me in great detail how this angry attachment affected my perception and interaction in life. It freed me from that.

All in all it was a very valuable experiance. The bodyload is very extreme so be prepared to lay down for the first 6 hours. It's visuals are not like any other psychedelic. I also will never take Ibogaine again. Not becuase I don't like it, but becuase it did what it needed to do and now it's done. Perhaps if I had some traumatic event in my life I would consider doing it again, but other then that I have no desire to ever take it again. I would prefer to see it go to someone who needed it's help.

Once more this is definatly not a recreational drug. Even if you are the type that likes to drop psychedelics once in awhile for kicks this isn't the drug for that.

If you have any more questions I'll try to answer them if I can. :sun:


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Re: Ibogaine HCL - any expierences with it? [Re: chinacat72]
    #5614144 - 05/10/06 06:38 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

What were the visuals like? could you compare them to those of aminitas? what about salvia?


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Re: Ibogaine HCL - any expierences with it? [Re: EquilibriuM]
    #5614346 - 05/10/06 07:14 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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EquilibriuM said:
What were the visuals like? could you compare them to those of aminitas? what about salvia?




Aminita's have never given me visuals. I don't find them psychedelic.
Salvia's visuals are not anything like Ibogaines. Salivia gives me intense visuals that make no sense and have no content of value to me.

Ibogaines visuals are like the reports suggest, very personal. The most intense
one was of me walking through a jungle. I was thinking about a girl that I knew. At this point I realized I was actually my brother. As I was moving through the jungle I heard a loud crack ring out. I immediatly flew onto my back as I felt a intese thud to my chest. I experianced my brothers death. I won't go into any more detail about that except it was very, very painful for me. Until the soul was released to the light. At that moment I let go of my  attachment to my brothers death, becuase I knew it was all ok. I forgave the Viet-cong sniper who ended his life.

The visuals me and my friends had were very personal at first and seemed to take us back to the energy of creation which is beyond words and can be seen on large doses of LSD ext. The difference was that it shown how every action in are lives was caused by something and had a effect on something. The visuals were not really psychedelic at first. It was more of a reliving of our life and lessons. After we paid our due to this show we were treated to scenes of a living force that was very psychedelic. Iboga showed us humanity in it's true state. From the begining to the present( for one of my friends it showed him the end of all). We were in a state of the present moment that released alot of baggage. I remember seeing a wooden mask that stayed in my vision for a long time. I thought "whats so special about this? At that moment the holes where the eyes were lit up in the light of pure unconditional Love that is God.
I cried and apologized for not recongnizing this diety as the creator when I first saw it. The mask laughed then dissapeard. I then realized that this was a lesson on my perception. I realized that I should see every face as the One Love. :heart:

It''s hard to describe the visions with any accruacy. Like all psychedelic experiances it's beyond words. One thing about Iboga is that the visions are very persoanl and at times very painful, but if you can summon up the courage to face what is being shown then a lesson is given that is worth more then anything you could possibly give. In closing Ibogaine is a gift, A very hard one, but one of immense value. I believe it's here for a reason.


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Re: Ibogaine HCL - any expierences with it? [Re: chinacat72]
    #5614578 - 05/10/06 08:03 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

THAT was a good read....   

I have read quite a few reports about Iboga over the past few years,
and it is amazing how this one seems to have a "signature" effect on people with very vivid lasting recall of the experience....

I decided to leave this one alone - unless like ChinaCat said, something warrants it's use for a therapeutic type reason....  :sun:


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Re: Ibogaine HCL - any expierences with it? [Re: PhanTomCat]
    #5616361 - 05/11/06 07:11 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

does anyone knows about it's legal status?


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Re: Ibogaine HCL - any expierences with it? [Re: MushroomTrip]
    #5616551 - 05/11/06 09:40 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Schedule 1


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Re: Ibogaine HCL - any expierences with it? [Re: chinacat72]
    #5616721 - 05/11/06 11:07 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Sad... :rolleyes:


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Re: Ibogaine HCL - any expierences with it? [Re: chinacat72]
    #5616954 - 05/11/06 12:06 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Chinacat- that's beautiful and touching.  Have you ever written a full report?  That's by far the best report I've ever read on Ibogaine, and it isn't even in full :smile:


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Re: Ibogaine HCL - any expierences with it? [Re: AlwaysFlowin]
    #5617143 - 05/11/06 01:02 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

dunno about ibogaine but a HCl solution burned right through my clothes.


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Re: Ibogaine HCL - any expierences with it? [Re: kaniz]
    #5618888 - 05/11/06 08:30 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Oh, by the way....  I was diggin thru my links tonight looking for something, and came across this link...:

http://www.ibogaine.co.uk/experience.htm


There is a LOT of good reading thru~ there about Iboga and it's experiences and different uses....    :thumbup:    :smile:



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Re: Ibogaine HCL - any expierences with it? [Re: PhanTomCat]
    #5618937 - 05/11/06 08:40 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Sorry to start the thread and not re-join it for so long. Chinacat, thanks for the responses - really great reading. Although, I think Ibogaine is legal in Canada as I've seen it on a few canadian vendor sites and they are not making any attempt to hide it, and its right along with other products (lots of other extracts, plants, etc), just a canadian ethnogen site.

But from what I've read, and what Chinacat says just re-affirms that I was right in it not being a 'recreational' drug, and also that it may be a usefull tool for what I want to do with it. I have some baggage sort of kicking around in me that I'm trying to come to terms with and deal with, and this seems like something that could be usefull in trying to do that.

Although, I'm curious on -- how long is the come up? and how long is the duration? and how is the comedown/after-effects?

Also, is there much differnece between the HCL and the Rootbark? Also, when you took the 1.25g of it, what form was it in?


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Re: Ibogaine HCL - any expierences with it? [Re: kaniz]
    #5618952 - 05/11/06 08:45 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Although, I did find a usefull bit of info on the 3 stages of an Iboga expierence.

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Phase 1: Acute

The first phase begins within 20 mins. to 3 hours of ingestion, with a duration of about 4 to 8 hours. During this time Nausea may occur followed by vomiting though this usually happens only once during the first several hours of treatment. For this reason the participant is encouraged to lie relatively still as movement may precipitate the nausea. An antinauseant is administered before the full dose to prevent the early onset of nausea. Mild tremors and ataxia have also been observed with a tendency for the tremors to be stronger in female cocaine or methamphetamine dependent subjects.

Most participants experience a sensitivity to light and sound. For this reason, the room is kept darkened and sound disturbance is limited, though appropriate, pre-selected music may be played if desired. To learn more about the role of music in therapy please see the articles in the music links.

The first phase of visual phenomena is generally marked by rapid and chaotic visual imagery lasting usually between 4-6 hours after the full dose has been taken. These visions may be quite intense during the 1st phase of the journey though it has been reported that they will generally subside temporarily if the eyes are opened.

One person described the first few hours of her experience as a sort of psychological dumping, explaining that it was as if various memories are brought to the surface to be noted and reorganised or discarded, thus allowing a kind of reorganization of memory. Some have experienced images of their life appearing as if on a screen or in a "waking dream".

Ibogaine has been termed an Oneirophrenic, which essentially means a substance that elicits 'a dream phenomenon without loss of consciousness or change in the perception of the environment or any illusions or formal deterioration of thought and without depersonalization'. (R. Goutarel 1993)

'The term "oneiric" (Greek, oneiros, dream) has been preferred to the term "hallucinogenic" in describing the subjective experience of the acute state. Not all participants experience visual phenomena from ibogaine, which may be related to dose, bioavailability, and interindividual variation' (K. Alper 2001).

Some have reported experiencing visions related to the addiction and life events contributing to it. These experiences potentially include the release of repressed memories, and may help the subject to understand the underlying reasons for his/her addictive behavior (Frenken, 2001).


Phase 2: Evaluative

The second phase is described as a sort of life review whereby the images become more personally related and process oriented. There are frequent descriptions of a visionary sequence in which an evaluation of their life takes place. Some meet family members or review a childhood experience. This phase may last between 5-20 hours.

It is seemingly a very personal experience and during this phase there is often little or no dialogue. It has been reported that the ibogaine itself seems to be the true facilitator and guide, inducing visions that relate symbolic and archetypal information or insight. Some have felt that this process facilitates a sense of self discovery and/or reconnection to spiritual ideals and ethos.

The frequency and pace of the visions or personal process often slow down during this phase. It is a time for reflection on the inner self and re-evaluation of one's path in life. During this time, integration of what was learned from the first phase of the experience may occur.


Phase 3: Residual Stimulation

This phase may last 10-24 hours or longer. It is a period of time where the visual effects start to subside and the individual remains awake often reviewing the experience. A return to normal consciousness occurs over time with some residual stimulation.

Some experience muscle soreness, perhaps due to remaining still and lying down for such a long period of time. However it can be resolved with stretching, light yoga, massage and movement such as walking.

The individual may remain awake for long periods of time afterwards or get short periods of light sleep. Some may have difficulty sleeping for long periods of time following treatment. This is quite normal.





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Re: Ibogaine HCL - any expierences with it? [Re: kaniz]
    #5621701 - 05/12/06 03:51 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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Although, I'm curious on -- how long is the come up? and how long is the duration? and how is the comedown/after-effects?




I fasted for 24 hours before taking it. I noticed the first tingles within minutes of taking it. This could have been anticipation/placeabo or the effect of having a ton of it in my stomach and my body reacting. The body load becomes very apparent 30-45 minuntes after injestion. The "trip" phase lasts about 6-8 hours(shorter for my friend). Then afterwards there is a phase of stimulation that last 1-2 days and sleep is impossible and not really needed.
The trip we took in the desert was neat. We triped at night and then the next day and night we wandered around the desert like little children on a playground.


Quote:

Also, is there much differnece between the HCL and the Rootbark?



I have never taken the root bark so I don't know.
Quote:

Also, when you took the 1.25g of it, what form was it in?



Hcl mixed in water.


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Re: Ibogaine HCL - any expierences with it? [Re: MushroomTrip]
    #5622888 - 05/12/06 09:15 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

is there any risk for a bad trip?


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Re: Ibogaine HCL - any expierences with it? [Re: kaniz]
    #5918524 - 07/31/06 01:06 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

I just heard about Iboga..

Is that/this the same thing?


I can't find much info on it either..

Anyone?


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Re: Ibogaine HCL - any expierences with it? [Re: Gomp]
    #5919673 - 07/31/06 07:39 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)



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Re: Ibogaine HCL - any expierences with it? [Re: chinacat72]
    #9915175 - 03/05/09 07:08 AM (14 years, 10 months ago)

hi can you give me some advise im looking into taking this ibogaine and need some help i have been intouch with a lady in holland? maybe same one as you i want to do this at home instead of a therapist is it possible


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Re: Ibogaine HCL - any expierences with it? [Re: wantfree]
    #9915188 - 03/05/09 07:12 AM (14 years, 10 months ago)

This post is 2 years old!

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Re: Ibogaine HCL - any expierences with it? [Re: jds]
    #9915317 - 03/05/09 08:04 AM (14 years, 10 months ago)

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Re: Ibogaine HCL - any expierences with it? [Re: wantfree]
    #9915742 - 03/05/09 10:16 AM (14 years, 10 months ago)

Well I know it's old, I remember reading this a long time ago. But It's a good discussion so why not?

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kaniz said:
So, a little birdy may be able to get me some Ibogaine HCL -- and I'm just curious if anyone has any expierences with it? There seems to be a lacking of info over at erowid - there is some, but not much. Not looking for a 'recreational' trip, and this seems to be some pretty heavy stuff.




It's far from recreational. It's an intense spiritual journey that's indescribable. It's a substance known for it's ability to make the user face their inner demons and problems. It's a very personal trip, and I suggest taking it alone if you can handle it. In retrospect, I wouldn't have wanted a sitter.

You'll have trouble moving or getting up, so just relax, breathe deeply, shut the lights off and remove all sounds (phone, no computer, etc). It's an amazing spiritual substance, I'd say noting short of divine. It shows you EXACTLY what you need to see. Not necessarily what you WANT to see. That is what makes it an amazing experience.

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EquilibriuM said:
What were the visuals like? could you compare them to those of aminitas? what about salvia?




They are a class of their own. I can't link them to anything I've ever done before... and I've done many things.

I intend to dose again soon, but it's not something that you should ever consider doing recreationally. Because that is impossible.

In fact, not only is it NOT addicting, it's an interesting substance. It seems to have a reverse-factor on things that addict you. I have a crazy sweet tooth, but after dosing I felt... bound to turn the other cheek. Same with alcohol, marijuana, drugs, computer... everything. It even has a reverse-need on itself. By which I mean, after dosing I felt driven away from it, in a sense.

It was the weirdest experience in my life, and I intend to do a proper dose next time and really get to know the substance better. It's legal in Canada.


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Re: Ibogaine HCL - any expierences with it? [Re: kaniz]
    #24221367 - 04/05/17 07:35 PM (6 years, 9 months ago)

I monitored my husband on Ibogaine and his trip was somewhat strange he lost concept of time.  He says he went to Africa but he also thought we owned a yacht.  He looked confused and overwhelmed and had not control over his capacities.  You must have someone with you but be prepared that they may not be your friend afterward.  Husband was non recognizable and I am having a hard time forgiving him because he was demon like.  He did not recognize me and was naked a lot of the time trying to go outside. I had to watch his every move and was up most of the 72 hours it lasted.  His spirit guide told him to go on Methadone.  Long story short if you are using this for addiction skip it and go to the hospital for detox.


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Re: Ibogaine HCL - any expierences with it? [Re: NeverAgain2017]
    #24221462 - 04/05/17 08:13 PM (6 years, 9 months ago)

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You must have someone with you but be prepared that they may not be your friend afterward.




Then they're a shitty trip sitter and aren't qualified to watch over anyone undergoing a psychedelic experience. They have to know that people can do some pretty whacky things in these states. And who was his spirit guide?




P.S. This thread is ancient


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Re: Ibogaine HCL - any expierences with it? [Re: NeverAgain2017]
    #24221558 - 04/05/17 09:02 PM (6 years, 9 months ago)

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I monitored my husband on Ibogaine and his trip was somewhat strange he lost concept of time.  He says he went to Africa but he also thought we owned a yacht.  He looked confused and overwhelmed and had not control over his capacities.  You must have someone with you but be prepared that they may not be your friend afterward.  Husband was non recognizable and I am having a hard time forgiving him because he was demon like.  He did not recognize me and was naked a lot of the time trying to go outside. I had to watch his every move and was up most of the 72 hours it lasted.  His spirit guide told him to go on Methadone.  Long story short if you are using this for addiction skip it and go to the hospital for detox.




A find it hard to believe a spirit guide would ever recommend methadone :strokebeard:

That just seems strange... Then again it could just be his subconscious desires.

I have known a few people on methadone and they either relapsed eventually or are still addicted to methadone years later and unable to stop let alone function without it... So in my eyes it isn't much better then dope.


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Re: Ibogaine HCL - any expierences with it? [Re: musiclover420] * 1
    #24221681 - 04/05/17 09:57 PM (6 years, 9 months ago)

Methadone is pharm grade, prescribed to be taken orally, its used as a tapering method (so patients are working toward something atleast rather than sitting at home shooting , smoking or snorting and constantly increasing the dose to compensate for tolerence),and the dose is monitered by a medical professional so yeah its better than dope for alot of people.

Dont judge your husband please. You did this with him to help him dont give up on him because of a temporary drug. Talk to him and tell him what upset you and try to work on forgiving him.


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Re: Ibogaine HCL - any expierences with it? [Re: BANANA.MAN]
    #24221796 - 04/05/17 10:52 PM (6 years, 9 months ago)

I know it is better in some ways, like I said I just don't think it is much better overall.

If heroin was legal it probably wouldn't be much different being addicted to one or the other.

Being in a methadone program can be intense. My friends mom has a young son that she could potentially lose to CPS just for trying to stop taking methadone. Which seems pretty fucked up to me, doesn't seem like they really want to use it for people to taper off...


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Re: Ibogaine HCL - any expierences with it? [Re: musiclover420]
    #24222333 - 04/06/17 08:22 AM (6 years, 9 months ago)

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musiclover420 said:
I know it is better in some ways, like I said I just don't think it is much better overall.

If heroin was legal it probably wouldn't be much different being addicted to one or the other.

Being in a methadone program can be intense. My friends mom has a young son that she could potentially lose to CPS just for trying to stop taking methadone. Which seems pretty fucked up to me, doesn't seem like they really want to use it for people to taper off...



If the heroin was only take orally and the dose was monitored by a medical proffesional then yes it would be. Im not saying heroin is somehow worse than other opioids. Just thaf being in a maintainence program is better than the typical junkie life style.


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