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Isn't the UN swell????????????????
    #5612781 - 05/10/06 01:40 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Anyone hear about an investigation into this????


Group: U.N. Peacekeepers Trading Food for Sex
Monday, May 08, 2006


MONROVIA, Liberia — Aid workers and U.N. peacekeepers are trading food for sex with young girls in Liberian camps housing those left homeless by years of war, an aid group said Monday.

Save the Children, which surveyed nearly 160 children and about 170 adults who were either living in camps or had recently returned home, said they were repeatedly told of girls having sex with older men in exchange for money, food and other goods.

The accused included peacekeeping troops, aid workers and other powerful men in the community. The report did not give the nationality of the aid workers or peacekeepers involved. About 17,000 U.N. peacekeepers are based in Liberia.

Despite some initiatives to reduce sexual exploitation and abuse, the report said there had been "little change" in the lives of vulnerable children since 2002.


Liberia is just starting to recover from years of civil war and many of its citizens still live in camps set up after they were forced out of their villages.

The U.N. humanitarian coordinator in Liberia, Jordan Ryan, said the survey was outdated because it was conducted nine months ago and much has improved since then. The camps that are the primary subject of the report are now closed, he said.

"There are good things that are now happening in Liberia," he said. U.N. staff who engage in such "unacceptable behaviors" are fired, Ryan added.

President Ellen Johnson-Sirleaf took office in January, promising reconstruction and peace.

"With the coming in of a new government, mechanisms are being put in place to limit these kinds of things," said Mohammed Sheriff, Liberia's deputy health minister.

But Sheriff cautioned that preventing sex transactions is a difficult task for a poor country still recovering from years of violence.

"We have parents that have so many children — eight to 10 — that are not able to cope with the meager amount of money they have," he said. "People live below 25 cents (per day); so you can look at reasons why these thing may happen."


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Re: Isn't the UN swell???????????????? [Re: SirTripAlot]
    #5614629 - 05/10/06 08:16 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Another link:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/4983440.stm


Anyone find any action on part of the UN????


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Re: Isn't the UN swell???????????????? [Re: SirTripAlot]
    #5614644 - 05/10/06 08:19 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

I certainly hope those people are reprimanded, and that the UN starts supervising their workers more closely.


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Re: Isn't the UN swell???????????????? [Re: Silversoul]
    #5615143 - 05/10/06 10:05 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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Silversoul said:
I certainly hope those people are reprimanded




Sounds like a punishment that the UN would use: "reprimanded"  :rolleyes:

These people should be locked up along with all the other pedophiles and sexual deviants in this country. These people should be treated no differently.


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Re: Isn't the UN swell???????????????? [Re: SirTripAlot]
    #5616129 - 05/11/06 02:10 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Isn't the UN swell????????????????

Yeah, maybe we should put american troops in there and get some of the "civilised" sexual abuse we see in Abu Grahb..


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Re: Isn't the UN swell???????????????? [Re: Alex213]
    #5616397 - 05/11/06 07:59 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Alex213 stated: Yeah, maybe we should put american troops in there and get some of the "civilised" sexual abuse we see in Abu Grahb..



Are you talking about the pictures? Yes, those were unprofessional and downright wrong. Those really hurt allot of troops (me included), 98% of which, did nothing of that sort. Yet the label has sticked in some peoples minds, and that really hurt morale. However, the picture takers have faced court martial, and had the book thrown at them.



What is the UN doing? How many investigations did the USA have into allegations of abuse, compared to the current allegations of sexual misconduct at the UN??


For you to equate bad behavior with bad behavior shows how far you will really grasp at straws, when confronted with allegations on one of your sacred institutions, the same UN you love so much. I have admitted fault on the leadership of one of my sacred institutions, the military, are you man enough to do the same?


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Re: Isn't the UN swell???????????????? [Re: SirTripAlot]
    #5616753 - 05/11/06 11:18 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

However, the picture takers have faced court martial, and had the book thrown at them.


I think the problem went a little deeper than a few low-level grunts in the pictures who were convenient patsy's.

What is the UN doing?

Hasn't this whole story come from an independent aid organisation investigating the situation?

How many investigations did the USA have into allegations of abuse

So how many independent investigations have there been at Gitmo? What independent investigation has been done at Abu Grahb?


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Re: Isn't the UN swell???????????????? [Re: Alex213]
    #5617090 - 05/11/06 12:46 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Alex213 stated : I think the problem went a little deeper


Pure Conjecture


Alex213 stated: So how many independent investigations have there been at Gitmo? What independent investigation has been done at Abu Grahb?


http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/07/13/AR2005071302380.html

The Schmidt-Furlow investigation is the last of about a dozen major Pentagon probes into abuse over the past 15 months.




Over one dozen done by the Pentagon. No significant independent investigation could ever be done, for the simple fact, that you are dealing with the military, and only high level security clearances can investigate( By the way, that is an SOP for all militaries throughout the world, this is not a strange procedure)

Look at the pictures that did come out. People found out what happened, there was no "cover up".


What about your blessed UN? Where are the pictures of these young girls being sexually mistreated? This isn't the first time that the UN workers have been accused of this. No institution is perfect, need I mention the Oil for Food Scandal????


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Re: Isn't the UN swell???????????????? [Re: SirTripAlot]
    #5618666 - 05/11/06 07:26 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

I said:
This isn't the first time that the UN workers have been accused of this

(Proof)

U.N. Faces More Accusations of Sexual Misconduct
Officials Acknowledge 'Swamp' of Problems and Pledge Fixes Amid New Allegations in Africa, Haiti

By Colum Lynch
Washington Post Staff Writer
Sunday, March 13, 2005; Page A22

UNITED NATIONS -- The United Nations is facing new allegations of sexual misconduct by U.N. personnel in Burundi, Haiti, Liberia and elsewhere, which is complicating the organization's efforts to contain a sexual abuse scandal that has tarnished its Nobel Prize-winning peacekeepers in Congo.

The allegations indicate that a series of measures the United Nations has taken in recent years have failed to eliminate a culture of sexual permissiveness that has plagued its far-flung peacekeeping operations over the last 12 years. But senior U.N. officials say they have signaled their seriousness by imposing new reforms and forcing senior U.N. military commanders and officials to step down if they do not curb such practices.



A U.N. peacekeeper stands guard at the Tche refugee camp in Congo, the country at the center of the scandal. (David Lewis -- Reuters)


"The blue helmet has become black and blue through self-inflicted wounds," Jane Holl Lute, a senior U.N. peacekeeping official who heads a U.N. task force on sexual exploitation, told a congressional committee investigating allegations that U.N. personnel participated in rape, prostitution and pedophilia in Congo. "We will not sit still until the luster of that blue helmet is restored."

The reports of sexual abuse have come from U.N. officials, internal U.N. documents, and local and international human rights organizations that have tracked the issue. Some U.N. officials and outside observers say there have been cases of abuse in almost every U.N. mission, including operations in Ivory Coast, Sierra Leone and Kosovo.

"This is a problem in every mission around the world," said Sarah Martin, an expert on the subject at Refugees International who recently conducted investigations into misconduct by U.N. peacekeepers in Haiti and Liberia. "If you don't have a strict code of discipline, accountability and transparency in the process, then you're going to continue to have a problem."

Peacekeepers in several Liberian communities routinely engage in sex with girls, according to an internal U.N. letter obtained by The Washington Post. In the town of Gbarnga, peacekeepers were seen patronizing a club called Little Lagos, "where girls as young as 12 years of age are engaged in prostitution, forced into sex acts and sometimes photographed by U.N. peacekeepers in exchange for $10 or food or other commodities," according to the letter, which a representative of the U.N. Children's Fund (UNICEF) wrote Feb. 8 to the mission's second-ranking official.

The letter also stated that community leaders in the town of Robertsport have accused Namibian peacekeepers there of "using administrative building premises and the surrounding bush to undertake sex acts with girls between the age of 12-17."

The letter said the U.N. peacekeeping mission had failed to address some misconduct reports. In response, the U.N. special representative in Liberia, Jacques Klein, ordered an investigation, according to an internal U.N. memo dated Feb. 18. U.N. Deputy Secretary General Louise Frechette, meanwhile, traveled this month to Liberia, Sierra Leone and Ivory Coast to urge the missions' leadership to crack down on sexual misconduct.

The United Nations also opened an investigation earlier this month into allegations of sexual abuse of minors by U.N. troops in the Central African country of Burundi. "Over the past few weeks I have learned to my deep regret that, despite firm instructions to the contrary, some staff members continue to indulge in unacceptable and potentially illegal behavior," Carolyn McKaskie, the senior U.N. representative, wrote in a March 10 internal memo to members of the U.N. mission.

Lute said the U.N. peacekeeping department has ordered an internal review of its policies for combating sexual exploitation among the nearly 80,000 peacekeepers in all 17 U.N. peacekeeping missions around the world. They are also pressing countries that contribute peacekeepers to prosecute those accused of crimes in special courts-martial in the countries where they are accused.

"We have violated our duty for care, and we need to fix that problem," Lute said in a recent interview. "We're shining a light here, and it's not a pretty picture. But when you're in the swamp, the only way out of the swamp is through the swamp."

Pamela Shifman, a UNICEF expert on sexual exploitation of children, said abuses are pervasive among U.N. peacekeepers deployed in countries that have been afflicted by grinding poverty and years of conflict. But, she said, "It is not inevitable. That's a really important message -- that we can address impunity. We can address accountability."

Martin, of Refugees International, said the degree of military discipline varies from mission to mission. In Liberia, she said, uniformed U.N. peacekeepers and U.N. civilians openly frequent brothels in marked U.N. vehicles. She also noted that some contingents, including the Namibians, are encamped in local villages, placing them in direct contact with locals.

In Haiti, she said, soldiers from Chile, Brazil, Sri Lanka and Peru "lived in walled compounds with gates, and they are not able to go out at night; they are under strict curfew."

Still, two Pakistani police were removed from Haiti last month after a local woman accused them of raping her at a banana farm outside Gonaives, U.N. officials said. A U.N. investigation dismissed the rape charge but expelled the Pakistanis for hiring a prostitute.

In September a Brazilian peacekeeper was accused of raping a minor in Port-au-Prince, Martin said. The United Nations concluded there was insufficient evidence to prosecute the peacekeeper, she said.

Sexual abuse scandals have shadowed the United Nations since the early 1990s, when U.N. peacekeepers in Cambodia were charged with sexually abusing girls. At the time, the U.N.'s top official in Cambodia, Yasushi Akashi, played down the gravity of the allegations, saying, "Boys will be boys."

Human rights investigators and journalists documented widespread abuses in 2001 in Kosovo and Bosnia, where U.N. police operated brothels and trafficked women from Eastern Europe to engage in prostitution.

A U.N. spokesman in Kosovo, Neeraj Singh, said a series of reforms had curtailed such abuses. But Singh confirmed that a Pakistani staff member in the office of the High Commissioner for Refugees, Rashid Doon Khan, was arrested in Kosovo on Jan. 28 by an international prosecutor in Kosovo pending a pretrial investigation that "relates to sexual and narcotics-related charges involving minors."

Singh declined to provide further details. An attorney for Khan, Tome Gashi, declined to comment on the charges.


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Re: Isn't the UN swell???????????????? [Re: SirTripAlot]
    #5619894 - 05/12/06 01:02 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Pure Conjecture


Common sense. Unless you think Himmler had no idea what the concentration camp guards were up to as well.

The Schmidt-Furlow investigation is the last of about a dozen major Pentagon probes into abuse over the past 15 months.


I asked you how many INDEPENDENT investigations. Not how many times the military has investigated the military. That doesn't count.

People found out what happened, there was no "cover up".


I'm sorry, when you have military investigating military there is always going to be a coverup. That's the whole reason why you're supposed to have independent investigations. The news is only just filtering about exactly what torture Rumsfield approved.

What about your blessed UN?

The UN that allows independent investigations?


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Re: Isn't the UN swell???????????????? [Re: Alex213]
    #5620568 - 05/12/06 09:54 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Alex213 stated: Common sense. Unless you think Himmler had no idea what the concentration camp guards were up to as well.


Obviously, you did not take my advice from last time, and read a little more of history, since the comparisons you make are so grossly in error. Lets look at this one:

Your comment was comparing:

Himmler, the commander of the German Schutzstaffel (SS) and one of the most powerful men in Nazi Germany. As Reichsführer-SS, he controlled the SS and the Gestapo. He also became a leading organizer of the Holocaust

to:

Either upper echelon American military officers or Don Rumsfield. All because of Abu Grahb, Gittmo, and Iraq.


These two historical events, are not even close in scope or magnitude. You would be the laughing stock of the class, in my college course in WW2 and Post WW2 impacts on Europe.
(were you beaten as a schoolchild?)


Alex213 stated: I asked you how many INDEPENDENT investigations. Not how many times the military has investigated the military. That doesn't count.



Read my post!!! I told you why there will never be one!!!




Alex213 stated: The UN that allows independent investigations?



Do you want to know why? Because the drones in blue helmets, may resemble a military, but by no means are they run like one.!!! No shit!!!!


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Re: Isn't the UN swell???????????????? [Re: Alex213]
    #5620583 - 05/12/06 09:58 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Alex213 stated: Common sense. Unless you think Himmler had no idea what the concentration camp guards were up to as well.


Obviously, you did not take my advice from last time, and read a little more of history, since the comparisons you make are so grossly in error. Lets look at this one:

Your comment was comparing:

Himmler, the commander of the German Schutzstaffel (SS) and one of the most powerful men in Nazi Germany. As Reichsführer-SS, he controlled the SS and the Gestapo. He also became a leading organizer of the Holocaust

to:

Either upper echelon American military officers or Don Rumsfield. All because of Abu Grahb, Gittmo, and Iraq.


These two historical events, are not even close in scope or magnitude. You would be the laughing stock of the class, in my college course in WW2 and Post WW2 impacts on Europe.
(were you beaten as a schoolchild?)


Alex213 stated: I asked you how many INDEPENDENT investigations. Not how many times the military has investigated the military. That doesn't count.



Read my post!!! I told you why there will never be one!!!




Alex213 stated: The UN that allows independent investigations?



Do you why to no why? Because the drones in blue helmets, may resemble a military, but by no means are they run like one.!!! No shit!!!!


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Re: Isn't the UN swell???????????????? [Re: SirTripAlot]
    #5621316 - 05/12/06 01:42 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

These two historical events, are not even close in scope or magnitude

I didn't say they were. I said if you think two grunts suddenly woke up one morning and decided to start torturing prisoners you're living in a dream world.

You would be the laughing stock of the class )

Only a guess but I think you'd find that my education far exceeds the average foot soldier in the US marines.

were you beaten as a schoolchild?

They didn't have beatings where I went to school.

Read my post!!! I told you why there will never be one!!!



So why make the point that there's "been an investigation"? Who gives a flying fuck about the result when the army investigates itself? The army is going to say that the army is pretty good isn't it?


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Re: Isn't the UN swell???????????????? [Re: Alex213]
    #5621522 - 05/12/06 02:48 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Alex213 stated: I didn't say they were. I said if you think two grunts suddenly woke up one morning and decided to start torturing prisoners you're living in a dream world.



So you are suddenly an expert on the military?

From personal experience, I have seen military personnel disregard orders, particularly, the rules of engagement. I have seen unlawful orders that were followed, and lawful orders that were not followed. So you think torture came down from Rumsfield? So me your link. At best it came from middle echelon military brass. This is like me saying that the sex abuse allegation in Liberia are coming from with UN headquarters




Alex213 stated: Only a guess but I think you'd find that my education far exceeds the average foot soldier in the US marines



Keep on showing your lack of knowledge on military nomenclature, There are no "foot soldiers " in the Marines, because, being a Marine and being a solider are two different things!!! (hint: because they come from two separate and distinct branches of the Armed Forces)



Alex213 stated :So why make the point that there's "been an investigation"? Who gives a flying fuck about the result when the army investigates itself? The army is going to say that the army is pretty good isn't it?


Did those pictures give a good image of the Army? You think the government could have covered that up if they wanted too?


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