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InvisibleIcelander
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Its takes a long time to change.
    #5610705 - 05/09/06 10:14 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

That's been my experience. Now I know that when it looks like I'm not going to change, something is moving so slowly that I am not noticing it.

I have to go through some strange things in this lifetime. At least they feel strange to me. I don't feel too comfortable in my patterns anymore and yet they haven't gone away just because I wish they would. It takes me work and time and I have to go through some strange things while I'm waiting around for some change. Sometimes I wish I didn't have to. Sometimes I feel good about it and want all of it. All this growth stuff looks different to me now that life has done it's thing to me. It's really out of my hands. :heart: :mushroom2:

Maybe it's just because I'm in a mood tonight.


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" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
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Re: Its takes a long time to change. [Re: Icelander]
    #5610776 - 05/09/06 10:32 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Have you taken Salvia?

I swear, since I stopped taking that stuff, it's like a different reality. Things are not like they were when I was a kid. Something is totaly different about the universe now. It changed. Or I was changed. I don't know.

Forget about how it's like being forced into a dream. Did I ever come back even? I'm almost zombified. Growing up sucks. How do I get my innocense back?


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Re: Its takes a long time to change. [Re: recalcitrant]
    #5610804 - 05/09/06 10:40 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Yes I have used it many times.

There is no going back IMO to the innocence you are seeking dear friend. You need to go forward, deeper and deeper into life. This house is on fire. :mushroom2:


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
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Re: Its takes a long time to change. [Re: Icelander]
    #5611597 - 05/10/06 04:58 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

I think change is seperate from time, it requires no time to change. Just flow.


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Re: Its takes a long time to change. [Re: Springs]
    #5611634 - 05/10/06 05:47 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Nice idea but the ground has to be prepared before the flow state is possible. It took me a long time to find that flow.


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" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
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Re: Its takes a long time to change. [Re: Icelander]
    #5611645 - 05/10/06 05:58 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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Icelander said:
Nice idea but the ground has to be prepared before the flow state is possible. It took me a long time to find that flow.




I look at change as a skill. We are changing constantly, so what you notice when you 'change' is a difference in the rate of change.


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Re: Its takes a long time to change. [Re: Akamatsu]
    #5611651 - 05/10/06 06:03 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

I agree it's something like that. Water behind an ice flow will build and build and all at once the pressure will burst through. On the other side you might not notice until the break and rush of freed energy. The paradigm shift.


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" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
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Re: Its takes a long time to change. [Re: Icelander]
    #5613167 - 05/10/06 02:56 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

I dont really understand then your saying before you make a change, you must let it build up and preasurize to burst you through change? I dont like that and in my experience thats more like grasping and holding onto to your previous state, preasure and blocks only hinder your change and flow, I prefer a constant gentle stream with nice rapids and smaller waterfalls, no need for dam to unstabilize my balance. Along the stream of infinite you are the decider :P


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Re: Its takes a long time to change. [Re: Springs]
    #5613279 - 05/10/06 03:25 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

That's not what I'm saying. I'm saying that we often don't notice all the things that have gone into (as far as time) our changes. In other words we are always building to a new paradigm but we don't notice all the prep for that.


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC


Edited by Icelander (05/10/06 03:25 PM)


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Re: Its takes a long time to change. [Re: Icelander]
    #5613322 - 05/10/06 03:34 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

We create our own reality through our beliefs.

The Feed-Back Loop:

your Beliefs ===> your Perception of reality ===> your Feelings ===> your Thoughts, which then reinforce the original Beliefs

Your feelings are the result of your beliefs.

Your emotional reactions are the result of what you believe.

To discover what your beliefs are, you can work backwards and ask yourself:

"What would I have to believe, in order to end up feeling this way?"
"What would I have to believe, in order to end up perceiving this type of physical reality?"

When you change your beliefs about any particular reality or issue, you instantly also change how you feel about that particular reality or issue.
This is why the interpretation (belief) you give any situation determines how you feel about it.

Know that you are beyond any beliefs. Then you can toy around with beliefs and play them as tools. you can neutralise your old beliefs and prefer new ones.

Neutrality

We give meaning to people, events and objects, but they have no true, absolute meaning. The meaning we assign is the vibration we experience.

1) Take a past situation that really bothered you or that you feel had little or no redeeming value, or a current situation. Pick something you may want to change or feel differently about.

2) First, how does this make you really feel? What is the meaning you are assigning to this? What are your true thoughts? Be mindful of what you truly feel. Observation creates the possibility of change.

3) How does/could this serve me exactly as it is? What helpful things am I learning from this? What qualities am I developing? Are there more effective approaches I am considering? What am I doing well in this situation? How will this assist me to create what I prefer?

4) What is a most empowering meaning I can assign to this experience? What new feeling does this create?

5) Can I move into a state of gratitude? Can I now feel true gratitude for what this thing has taught me? Has this helped me to grow as a person?


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Re: Its takes a long time to change. [Re: felix4life]
    #5613391 - 05/10/06 03:50 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Nice post!


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Re: Its takes a long time to change. [Re: Springs]
    #5613415 - 05/10/06 03:56 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

One of the best posts I have seen in a long time. This goes right to the mark of what I am learning now.  Thank you. :heart: :mushroom2:


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" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
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Re: Its takes a long time to change. [Re: Icelander]
    #5613466 - 05/10/06 04:07 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

No problem dude, this is a vibrational Universe, so you actually attract all info to yourself.

If you have time to give this a listen then I highly suggest it:
http://www.bashar.org/audio/LIVEAUDIO.html

The free audio section on this site is also quite good:
http://www.fieldcenter.org/

:smile:


Edited by felix4life (05/10/06 04:08 PM)


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Re: Its takes a long time to change. [Re: Icelander]
    #5613614 - 05/10/06 04:32 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Yea, I know what you are talking about..

my advice...run as fast as you can and don't look back, run away from these "things", go hide somewhere alone in the tall grass, and mumble some chants or something, because it aint' worth it. The less of these "things" the sweeter life is.


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Re: Its takes a long time to change. [Re: OldWoodSpecter]
    #5613703 - 05/10/06 04:54 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

right speed up or slow down, either way, it takes time and gives time.
change is


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Re: Its takes a long time to change. [Re: Icelander]
    #5613920 - 05/10/06 05:54 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

I remember a long time ago back when I used to take Karate, my sensei used to have a saying:

"Bad habits are easy to make but hard to live with. Good habits are hard to make but easy to live with."

He was a pretty wise man.


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Re: Its takes a long time to change. [Re: Icelander]
    #5613953 - 05/10/06 06:03 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

I don't feel too comfortable in my patterns anymore and yet they haven't gone away just because I wish they would. It takes me work and time and I have to go through some strange things while I'm waiting around for some change. Sometimes I wish I didn't have to.

I'd say don't wait around for change. It's happening constantly, perpetually. Be filled with mindfulness and non-violence/non-resistance and there will be no more uncomfortable patterns.


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But makes for the heaviest sword"
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Re: Its takes a long time to change. [Re: Icelander]
    #5614156 - 05/10/06 06:40 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Quote:

Icelander said:


There is no going back IMO to the innocence you are seeking dear friend. You need to go forward, deeper and deeper into life. This house is on fire. :mushroom2:



Indeed, there is no going back to the innocence you once had, but still, the more I go deeper into life and into exploring it, and into understanding it, the more I can see that innocence and still have it, but in a different way, more mature, more changed, things that in the "first innocence" didn't seem innocent, now they feel like that.
I think what really happens is that as we change, everything changes, including innocence.


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Re: Its takes a long time to change. [Re: felix4life]
    #5614279 - 05/10/06 07:02 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Quote:

felix4life said:
No problem dude, this is a vibrational Universe, so you actually attract all info to yourself.

If you have time to give this a listen then I highly suggest it:
http://www.bashar.org/audio/LIVEAUDIO.html

The free audio section on this site is also quite good:
http://www.fieldcenter.org/

:smile:




Nice, I loved the "fundamentals" audio! Great stuff.


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Re: Its takes a long time to change. [Re: Silversoul]
    #5614381 - 05/10/06 07:20 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

That is indeed wise.


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" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
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Re: Its takes a long time to change. [Re: Icelander]
    #5616796 - 05/11/06 11:30 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Most people will return to innocence again, if they grow (quite very) old.
'Suddenly', before they die, they 'remember' the real values of their existence and may return to innocence.


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Re: Its takes a long time to change. [Re: BlueCoyote]
    #5617741 - 05/11/06 03:36 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

It can happen, but must one wait to be old?


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" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
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Re: Its takes a long time to change. [Re: Icelander]
    #5617857 - 05/11/06 04:04 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

There, I only can assume that it has something to do with the necessity of the naturally developing ego to sustain our existence in physical reality, and the natural decay of it.
If one can transcend ones ego in midlife, the amplitude of divergence may be lessen.


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Re: Its takes a long time to change. [Re: BlueCoyote]
    #5620853 - 05/12/06 11:27 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

This seems true.


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" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
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Re: Its takes a long time to change. [Re: Icelander]
    #5830680 - 07/07/06 06:28 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Quote:

Icelander said:
Yes I have used it many times.

There is no going back IMO to the innocence you are seeking dear friend. You need to go forward, deeper and deeper into life. This house is on fire. :mushroom2:




The concept of enlightenment is like the lollipop used to coerce as many beings as possible out of the burning building of samasara.


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Re: Its takes a long time to change. [Re: Sinbad]
    #5830962 - 07/07/06 10:11 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

are we the samsarites?
(i think I'm getting to like the fire)


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Re: Its takes a long time to change. [Re: redgreenvines]
    #5831985 - 07/07/06 02:36 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Yes, we are all in the same house. We are like moths who repeatedly get burned in the beautiful but deadly, dancing flames of conditioned existence.

In our lives for example, each and every one of us seeks happiness, and does not want to suffer. Yet due to our strong habitual tendency of attachment, we continually experience suffering.

If only we could see this world to be just like a painting. When we see a painting of an apple for example, becuase we know it is only a painting, we do not grasp or desire to eat it. We know it is only a painting, so we dont create any problem.

If we can be this way, we can enjoy everything for what it is without getting fooled by appearences.

Of course, this is always much easier said than done.  :wink:  :crazy:


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Re: Its takes a long time to change. [Re: Sinbad]
    #5832031 - 07/07/06 02:48 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

what do all those purple and green mushrooms under your moniker stand for? how come I only get half a row of the purple ones?


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Re: Its takes a long time to change. [Re: redgreenvines]
    #5832208 - 07/07/06 03:20 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

the best way to change, is change your idea about the situation, to readjust your regular thought tendencies, So that they coincide with your goal, instead of zeroing in on a focused agenda, one should be impartial to knowledge that coincide with the goal, and focus in more subconsciously changing natural tendancies, which in turn make a bigger adjustments, without having to visualize the overwhelming end result, impartiality is the key, to making change, be consciously unconscious about the direction of ones focus, I say focus more on entertaining different ideas, than focusing ones will on a particular action, the readjustment of rudimentary thought processes, fundamental development, will bring about a more natural, effortless, effective change, instead of focusing in on immediate result of ones action, one should focus away from results and focus in on different thoughts that influence the natural change of thought tendencies, so the change should require less effort, once realized the difference in adjustment, the only key is to be ambiguously aware of the effects of your adjustments to the desired change that you nothing of, the hardest thing about change is knowing what to change, there is no single change, so one needs only to entertain what would bring about this change, change usually requires a revolutionary adjustment in all areas to some particular point, which will reflect on all situations that are relevant to that particular point, fundamental change is more effective than objective change, is what I'm saying, because objective focuses in on particular object, the result is only based on that situation, where fundamental change, not so clear cut, but very subjective, can bring about a change in many different situations, making a huge adjustment


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Re: Its takes a long time to change. [Re: capliberty]
    #5832476 - 07/07/06 04:33 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

groundhog day...


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Re: Its takes a long time to change. [Re: MushroomTrip]
    #5832605 - 07/07/06 05:17 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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Indeed, there is no going back to the innocence you once had, but still, the more I go deeper into life and into exploring it, and into understanding it, the more I can see that innocence and still have it, but in a different way, more mature, more changed, things that in the "first innocence" didn't seem innocent, now they feel like that.




This is a great point to consider, hope it didn't get overlooked by everyone. :thumbup:

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Re: Its takes a long time to change. [Re: fireworks_god]
    #5832716 - 07/07/06 05:45 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

I think the only way to change is to immerse in the moment.
immerse in what is and take the ride of change.


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Re: Its takes a long time to change. [Re: fireworks_god]
    #5832724 - 07/07/06 05:47 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

too many people hide behind this innocence and feel
like the world owes them,,,

tell it to your dad


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Re: Its takes a long time to change. [Re: Icelander]
    #5832955 - 07/07/06 06:44 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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Icelander said:
Yes I have used it many times.

There is no going back IMO to the innocence you are seeking dear friend. You need to go forward, deeper and deeper into life. This house is on fire. :mushroom2:




Yes, there is a way back to the innocence of a kid. I've been there, I'm not there now, though, but I remember, the act of going back feels like your entire mind is beung purged from all the bullshit, like all the lies you said to yourself are washed away, and you are YOU once again, it feels like a rebirth, usually it is such a strong experience that you have to cry when it happens, and with tears you literally feel how all the damage you have done to yourself is being undone, damage of denying the child in you. All that we do in our lives is still judged by that child, and we deny it over and over again, until our psyche is simply clogged with BS then it explodes.


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Re: Its takes a long time to change. [Re: redgreenvines]
    #5833022 - 07/07/06 07:02 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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redgreenvines said:
I think the only way to change is to immerse in the moment.
immerse in what is and take the ride of change.




Sounds true to me. :wink:

If one directly perceives reality, then one is entirely present in that reality, as that reality, and if there is no mental obstruction in that direct perception, it is like two mirrors interacting. Change is that interaction... focus within one's experience, directly perceive reality for what it is, naturally change in the most profound manner possible. :mushroom2:

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Like being here
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Re: Its takes a long time to change. [Re: fireworks_god]
    #5833588 - 07/07/06 10:22 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

immersion in the moment implies connecting the the Lower Self.

This is only the first step.

The next step is to converse with the Higher Self, to which time itself is an illusion. The Higher Self can see in all directions of time, for it percieves time as a sphere.

when one is guided by their higher self, only then can one act in accordance with the Will of the Great Spirit.

First one must connect with the Lower Self- the spirit of the Earth.

Then one must connect with the Middle Self- the spiit of the Sun.

Finally one must connect with the Higher self- the spirit of the Universe, the Golden Angel.


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Re: Its takes a long time to change. [Re: DoctorJ]
    #5834343 - 07/08/06 04:30 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

immersing in the moment releases the whole nonsense of separation, concepts and superstition.

who sold you those wacky souvenirs, docJ?


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Re: Its takes a long time to change. [Re: Springs]
    #5834421 - 07/08/06 07:01 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

I was digging that field centre site, but my delight dipped slightly when they started using the term intelligence in association with It.  Which was in the introduction.  Also, "One of its more potent and freeing tenets is that there is no version of self or life too good to believe.  Every good can be and is ours in deliberate imagination." seems greedy to me.  Why want every good?  Want the good you need, wish every good on everything else.  But I like the idea of 'if you're not happy with who you are, be who you are happy with', it's nice and fuzzy.  The whole field self & particle self stuff is a very nicely worked out way of looking at It.  But still, too yang-heavy for my delicate tummy. :undecided:


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Re: Its takes a long time to change. [Re: Panoramix]
    #5834438 - 07/08/06 07:39 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

If one directly perceives reality then he is directly perceiving into something thats not meant to be figured out, I guess one could perceive the objective reality, meaning the plane of existence that incorporates fate, with an outlook that a single path was meant for you to walk, maybe that reality is the one I'd try to perceive but reality itself has many different faces, the one in which defines life and randomness, that deals with a subjective analysis of making decisions that make up your reality,


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    #5856735 - 07/14/06 01:25 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

What if you delve so far you reach the bottom?


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Re: Its takes a long time to change. [Re: justamonkey]
    #5857021 - 07/14/06 04:51 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

sink into the bottom
submit your bill
breathe


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Re: Its takes a long time to change. [Re: redgreenvines]
    #5858051 - 07/14/06 01:25 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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immersing in the moment releases the whole nonsense of separation, concepts and superstition.





'immersion in the moment', what hippy feel-good crap.

there's more to it than that. There is a difference between being a student of reality and being a master of reality. You want to go run around on the playground like a 5 year old, fine. I'll be in the teacher's lounge smoking cigarettes.

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who sold you those wacky souvenirs, docJ?




there's a big difference between believing in what you want to be true and believing what actually is true.

the souveniers are things I've accquired during several lifetimes of experience.


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Re: Its takes a long time to change. [Re: DoctorJ]
    #5858381 - 07/14/06 03:19 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

nice - have a smoke with the teachers for me.
stuffy in there.
I guess you really do have several lifetimes worth of funny chachkas.


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Re: Its takes a long time to change. [Re: DoctorJ]
    #5858395 - 07/14/06 03:26 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

There is a difference between being a student of reality and being a master of reality.

Not entirely sure what you mean here...you ARE reality. In terms of absolute truth, you and reality are entirely 100% equal. Your big toe nail is equal to a one ton piece of solid gold. You cannot be lesser or greater than reality.

there's a big difference between believing in what you want to be true and believing what actually is true.

If it is actually true, then it requires no belief. How are you so sure it is actually true?


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Re: Its takes a long time to change. [Re: redgreenvines]
    #5860575 - 07/15/06 01:53 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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nice - have a smoke with the teachers for me.
stuffy in there.





yeah, we mainly just complain to eachother and ask ourselves what we did to deserve getting stuck with a bunch of bratty, undisciplined kids as students. 

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Re: Its takes a long time to change. [Re: Icelander]
    #5861318 - 07/15/06 10:11 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Being in the moment is a very important aspect to life and a path to change. The moment can be a very elusive thing, am I in the moment? or am I outside of it? Am I in the moment before? Am I an a moment years ago?

Salvia has taught me so much about time. It is so much more incredible then I previously would have thought possible.

Each moment lives on as its own existence. The power of that moment IS lost in that moment. While time moves on without it... Turn the page.

This knowledge ties in directly with Castaneda's teaching of recapitulation. Taking back your energy from previous moments. Its real, it works.

Time is such an incredible concept, I feel that only part of it lies within our reason. Perhaps my mind is just to simple to grasp it all at once...

I think the important thing is to understand that everything happens when all of your attention is in the moment, thats where you should try and be.


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Re: Its takes a long time to change. [Re: DoctorJ]
    #5861468 - 07/15/06 10:57 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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nice - have a smoke with the teachers for me.
stuffy in there.





yeah, we mainly just complain to eachother and ask ourselves what we did to deserve getting stuck with a bunch of bratty, undisciplined kids as students. 

:lol:




wont your 'colleagues' be upset that you are fratrenizing with the riff raff. 'cough cough, could you put that thing out?


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Re: Its takes a long time to change. [Re: redgreenvines]
    #5861657 - 07/15/06 11:59 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

its a dirty job, but someone has to do it :smile:


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Re: Its takes a long time to change. [Re: DoctorJ]
    #5861698 - 07/15/06 12:12 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

which is dirty - mingling with riff raff or smoking with the teachers?


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