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OfflineBlueCoyote
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Re: Its takes a long time to change. [Re: Icelander]
    #5616796 - 05/11/06 11:30 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Most people will return to innocence again, if they grow (quite very) old.
'Suddenly', before they die, they 'remember' the real values of their existence and may return to innocence.


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Re: Its takes a long time to change. [Re: BlueCoyote]
    #5617741 - 05/11/06 03:36 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

It can happen, but must one wait to be old?


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Re: Its takes a long time to change. [Re: Icelander]
    #5617857 - 05/11/06 04:04 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

There, I only can assume that it has something to do with the necessity of the naturally developing ego to sustain our existence in physical reality, and the natural decay of it.
If one can transcend ones ego in midlife, the amplitude of divergence may be lessen.


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Re: Its takes a long time to change. [Re: BlueCoyote]
    #5620853 - 05/12/06 11:27 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

This seems true.


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" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

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Re: Its takes a long time to change. [Re: Icelander]
    #5830680 - 07/07/06 06:28 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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Icelander said:
Yes I have used it many times.

There is no going back IMO to the innocence you are seeking dear friend. You need to go forward, deeper and deeper into life. This house is on fire. :mushroom2:




The concept of enlightenment is like the lollipop used to coerce as many beings as possible out of the burning building of samasara.


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Re: Its takes a long time to change. [Re: Sinbad]
    #5830962 - 07/07/06 10:11 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

are we the samsarites?
(i think I'm getting to like the fire)


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Re: Its takes a long time to change. [Re: redgreenvines]
    #5831985 - 07/07/06 02:36 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Yes, we are all in the same house. We are like moths who repeatedly get burned in the beautiful but deadly, dancing flames of conditioned existence.

In our lives for example, each and every one of us seeks happiness, and does not want to suffer. Yet due to our strong habitual tendency of attachment, we continually experience suffering.

If only we could see this world to be just like a painting. When we see a painting of an apple for example, becuase we know it is only a painting, we do not grasp or desire to eat it. We know it is only a painting, so we dont create any problem.

If we can be this way, we can enjoy everything for what it is without getting fooled by appearences.

Of course, this is always much easier said than done.  :wink:  :crazy:


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Re: Its takes a long time to change. [Re: Sinbad]
    #5832031 - 07/07/06 02:48 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

what do all those purple and green mushrooms under your moniker stand for? how come I only get half a row of the purple ones?


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Re: Its takes a long time to change. [Re: redgreenvines]
    #5832208 - 07/07/06 03:20 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

the best way to change, is change your idea about the situation, to readjust your regular thought tendencies, So that they coincide with your goal, instead of zeroing in on a focused agenda, one should be impartial to knowledge that coincide with the goal, and focus in more subconsciously changing natural tendancies, which in turn make a bigger adjustments, without having to visualize the overwhelming end result, impartiality is the key, to making change, be consciously unconscious about the direction of ones focus, I say focus more on entertaining different ideas, than focusing ones will on a particular action, the readjustment of rudimentary thought processes, fundamental development, will bring about a more natural, effortless, effective change, instead of focusing in on immediate result of ones action, one should focus away from results and focus in on different thoughts that influence the natural change of thought tendencies, so the change should require less effort, once realized the difference in adjustment, the only key is to be ambiguously aware of the effects of your adjustments to the desired change that you nothing of, the hardest thing about change is knowing what to change, there is no single change, so one needs only to entertain what would bring about this change, change usually requires a revolutionary adjustment in all areas to some particular point, which will reflect on all situations that are relevant to that particular point, fundamental change is more effective than objective change, is what I'm saying, because objective focuses in on particular object, the result is only based on that situation, where fundamental change, not so clear cut, but very subjective, can bring about a change in many different situations, making a huge adjustment


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Re: Its takes a long time to change. [Re: capliberty]
    #5832476 - 07/07/06 04:33 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

groundhog day...


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Re: Its takes a long time to change. [Re: MushroomTrip]
    #5832605 - 07/07/06 05:17 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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Indeed, there is no going back to the innocence you once had, but still, the more I go deeper into life and into exploring it, and into understanding it, the more I can see that innocence and still have it, but in a different way, more mature, more changed, things that in the "first innocence" didn't seem innocent, now they feel like that.




This is a great point to consider, hope it didn't get overlooked by everyone. :thumbup:

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Re: Its takes a long time to change. [Re: fireworks_god]
    #5832716 - 07/07/06 05:45 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

I think the only way to change is to immerse in the moment.
immerse in what is and take the ride of change.


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Re: Its takes a long time to change. [Re: fireworks_god]
    #5832724 - 07/07/06 05:47 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

too many people hide behind this innocence and feel
like the world owes them,,,

tell it to your dad


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Re: Its takes a long time to change. [Re: Icelander]
    #5832955 - 07/07/06 06:44 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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Icelander said:
Yes I have used it many times.

There is no going back IMO to the innocence you are seeking dear friend. You need to go forward, deeper and deeper into life. This house is on fire. :mushroom2:




Yes, there is a way back to the innocence of a kid. I've been there, I'm not there now, though, but I remember, the act of going back feels like your entire mind is beung purged from all the bullshit, like all the lies you said to yourself are washed away, and you are YOU once again, it feels like a rebirth, usually it is such a strong experience that you have to cry when it happens, and with tears you literally feel how all the damage you have done to yourself is being undone, damage of denying the child in you. All that we do in our lives is still judged by that child, and we deny it over and over again, until our psyche is simply clogged with BS then it explodes.


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Re: Its takes a long time to change. [Re: redgreenvines]
    #5833022 - 07/07/06 07:02 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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redgreenvines said:
I think the only way to change is to immerse in the moment.
immerse in what is and take the ride of change.




Sounds true to me. :wink:

If one directly perceives reality, then one is entirely present in that reality, as that reality, and if there is no mental obstruction in that direct perception, it is like two mirrors interacting. Change is that interaction... focus within one's experience, directly perceive reality for what it is, naturally change in the most profound manner possible. :mushroom2:

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If I should die this very moment
I wouldn't fear
For I've never known completeness
Like being here
Wrapped in the warmth of you
Loving every breath of you

:heartpump: :bunnyhug: :yinyang:

:yinyang: :levitate: :earth: :levitate: :yinyang:


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Re: Its takes a long time to change. [Re: fireworks_god]
    #5833588 - 07/07/06 10:22 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

immersion in the moment implies connecting the the Lower Self.

This is only the first step.

The next step is to converse with the Higher Self, to which time itself is an illusion. The Higher Self can see in all directions of time, for it percieves time as a sphere.

when one is guided by their higher self, only then can one act in accordance with the Will of the Great Spirit.

First one must connect with the Lower Self- the spirit of the Earth.

Then one must connect with the Middle Self- the spiit of the Sun.

Finally one must connect with the Higher self- the spirit of the Universe, the Golden Angel.


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Re: Its takes a long time to change. [Re: DoctorJ]
    #5834343 - 07/08/06 04:30 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

immersing in the moment releases the whole nonsense of separation, concepts and superstition.

who sold you those wacky souvenirs, docJ?


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Re: Its takes a long time to change. [Re: Springs]
    #5834421 - 07/08/06 07:01 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

I was digging that field centre site, but my delight dipped slightly when they started using the term intelligence in association with It.  Which was in the introduction.  Also, "One of its more potent and freeing tenets is that there is no version of self or life too good to believe.  Every good can be and is ours in deliberate imagination." seems greedy to me.  Why want every good?  Want the good you need, wish every good on everything else.  But I like the idea of 'if you're not happy with who you are, be who you are happy with', it's nice and fuzzy.  The whole field self & particle self stuff is a very nicely worked out way of looking at It.  But still, too yang-heavy for my delicate tummy. :undecided:


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Re: Its takes a long time to change. [Re: Panoramix]
    #5834438 - 07/08/06 07:39 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

If one directly perceives reality then he is directly perceiving into something thats not meant to be figured out, I guess one could perceive the objective reality, meaning the plane of existence that incorporates fate, with an outlook that a single path was meant for you to walk, maybe that reality is the one I'd try to perceive but reality itself has many different faces, the one in which defines life and randomness, that deals with a subjective analysis of making decisions that make up your reality,


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Re: Its takes a long time to change. [Re: capliberty]
    #5856735 - 07/14/06 01:25 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

What if you delve so far you reach the bottom?


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