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InvisibleIcelander
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Its takes a long time to change.
    #5610705 - 05/09/06 10:14 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

That's been my experience. Now I know that when it looks like I'm not going to change, something is moving so slowly that I am not noticing it.

I have to go through some strange things in this lifetime. At least they feel strange to me. I don't feel too comfortable in my patterns anymore and yet they haven't gone away just because I wish they would. It takes me work and time and I have to go through some strange things while I'm waiting around for some change. Sometimes I wish I didn't have to. Sometimes I feel good about it and want all of it. All this growth stuff looks different to me now that life has done it's thing to me. It's really out of my hands. :heart: :mushroom2:

Maybe it's just because I'm in a mood tonight.


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
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Re: Its takes a long time to change. [Re: Icelander]
    #5610776 - 05/09/06 10:32 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Have you taken Salvia?

I swear, since I stopped taking that stuff, it's like a different reality. Things are not like they were when I was a kid. Something is totaly different about the universe now. It changed. Or I was changed. I don't know.

Forget about how it's like being forced into a dream. Did I ever come back even? I'm almost zombified. Growing up sucks. How do I get my innocense back?


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Re: Its takes a long time to change. [Re: recalcitrant]
    #5610804 - 05/09/06 10:40 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Yes I have used it many times.

There is no going back IMO to the innocence you are seeking dear friend. You need to go forward, deeper and deeper into life. This house is on fire. :mushroom2:


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC


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Re: Its takes a long time to change. [Re: Icelander]
    #5611597 - 05/10/06 04:58 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

I think change is seperate from time, it requires no time to change. Just flow.


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Re: Its takes a long time to change. [Re: Springs]
    #5611634 - 05/10/06 05:47 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Nice idea but the ground has to be prepared before the flow state is possible. It took me a long time to find that flow.


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
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Re: Its takes a long time to change. [Re: Icelander]
    #5611645 - 05/10/06 05:58 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Quote:

Icelander said:
Nice idea but the ground has to be prepared before the flow state is possible. It took me a long time to find that flow.




I look at change as a skill. We are changing constantly, so what you notice when you 'change' is a difference in the rate of change.


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Re: Its takes a long time to change. [Re: Akamatsu]
    #5611651 - 05/10/06 06:03 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

I agree it's something like that. Water behind an ice flow will build and build and all at once the pressure will burst through. On the other side you might not notice until the break and rush of freed energy. The paradigm shift.


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
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Re: Its takes a long time to change. [Re: Icelander]
    #5613167 - 05/10/06 02:56 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

I dont really understand then your saying before you make a change, you must let it build up and preasurize to burst you through change? I dont like that and in my experience thats more like grasping and holding onto to your previous state, preasure and blocks only hinder your change and flow, I prefer a constant gentle stream with nice rapids and smaller waterfalls, no need for dam to unstabilize my balance. Along the stream of infinite you are the decider :P


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Re: Its takes a long time to change. [Re: Springs]
    #5613279 - 05/10/06 03:25 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

That's not what I'm saying. I'm saying that we often don't notice all the things that have gone into (as far as time) our changes. In other words we are always building to a new paradigm but we don't notice all the prep for that.


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC


Edited by Icelander (05/10/06 03:25 PM)


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Re: Its takes a long time to change. [Re: Icelander]
    #5613322 - 05/10/06 03:34 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

We create our own reality through our beliefs.

The Feed-Back Loop:

your Beliefs ===> your Perception of reality ===> your Feelings ===> your Thoughts, which then reinforce the original Beliefs

Your feelings are the result of your beliefs.

Your emotional reactions are the result of what you believe.

To discover what your beliefs are, you can work backwards and ask yourself:

"What would I have to believe, in order to end up feeling this way?"
"What would I have to believe, in order to end up perceiving this type of physical reality?"

When you change your beliefs about any particular reality or issue, you instantly also change how you feel about that particular reality or issue.
This is why the interpretation (belief) you give any situation determines how you feel about it.

Know that you are beyond any beliefs. Then you can toy around with beliefs and play them as tools. you can neutralise your old beliefs and prefer new ones.

Neutrality

We give meaning to people, events and objects, but they have no true, absolute meaning. The meaning we assign is the vibration we experience.

1) Take a past situation that really bothered you or that you feel had little or no redeeming value, or a current situation. Pick something you may want to change or feel differently about.

2) First, how does this make you really feel? What is the meaning you are assigning to this? What are your true thoughts? Be mindful of what you truly feel. Observation creates the possibility of change.

3) How does/could this serve me exactly as it is? What helpful things am I learning from this? What qualities am I developing? Are there more effective approaches I am considering? What am I doing well in this situation? How will this assist me to create what I prefer?

4) What is a most empowering meaning I can assign to this experience? What new feeling does this create?

5) Can I move into a state of gratitude? Can I now feel true gratitude for what this thing has taught me? Has this helped me to grow as a person?


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Re: Its takes a long time to change. [Re: felix4life]
    #5613391 - 05/10/06 03:50 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Nice post!


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Re: Its takes a long time to change. [Re: Springs]
    #5613415 - 05/10/06 03:56 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

One of the best posts I have seen in a long time. This goes right to the mark of what I am learning now.  Thank you. :heart: :mushroom2:


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
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Re: Its takes a long time to change. [Re: Icelander]
    #5613466 - 05/10/06 04:07 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

No problem dude, this is a vibrational Universe, so you actually attract all info to yourself.

If you have time to give this a listen then I highly suggest it:
http://www.bashar.org/audio/LIVEAUDIO.html

The free audio section on this site is also quite good:
http://www.fieldcenter.org/

:smile:


Edited by felix4life (05/10/06 04:08 PM)


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Re: Its takes a long time to change. [Re: Icelander]
    #5613614 - 05/10/06 04:32 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Yea, I know what you are talking about..

my advice...run as fast as you can and don't look back, run away from these "things", go hide somewhere alone in the tall grass, and mumble some chants or something, because it aint' worth it. The less of these "things" the sweeter life is.


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Re: Its takes a long time to change. [Re: OldWoodSpecter]
    #5613703 - 05/10/06 04:54 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

right speed up or slow down, either way, it takes time and gives time.
change is


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Re: Its takes a long time to change. [Re: Icelander]
    #5613920 - 05/10/06 05:54 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

I remember a long time ago back when I used to take Karate, my sensei used to have a saying:

"Bad habits are easy to make but hard to live with. Good habits are hard to make but easy to live with."

He was a pretty wise man.


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Re: Its takes a long time to change. [Re: Icelander]
    #5613953 - 05/10/06 06:03 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

I don't feel too comfortable in my patterns anymore and yet they haven't gone away just because I wish they would. It takes me work and time and I have to go through some strange things while I'm waiting around for some change. Sometimes I wish I didn't have to.

I'd say don't wait around for change. It's happening constantly, perpetually. Be filled with mindfulness and non-violence/non-resistance and there will be no more uncomfortable patterns.


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But makes for the heaviest sword"
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Re: Its takes a long time to change. [Re: Icelander]
    #5614156 - 05/10/06 06:40 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Quote:

Icelander said:


There is no going back IMO to the innocence you are seeking dear friend. You need to go forward, deeper and deeper into life. This house is on fire. :mushroom2:



Indeed, there is no going back to the innocence you once had, but still, the more I go deeper into life and into exploring it, and into understanding it, the more I can see that innocence and still have it, but in a different way, more mature, more changed, things that in the "first innocence" didn't seem innocent, now they feel like that.
I think what really happens is that as we change, everything changes, including innocence.


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All this time I've missed you
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Here is true peace
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Safe in your soul
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Re: Its takes a long time to change. [Re: felix4life]
    #5614279 - 05/10/06 07:02 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Quote:

felix4life said:
No problem dude, this is a vibrational Universe, so you actually attract all info to yourself.

If you have time to give this a listen then I highly suggest it:
http://www.bashar.org/audio/LIVEAUDIO.html

The free audio section on this site is also quite good:
http://www.fieldcenter.org/

:smile:




Nice, I loved the "fundamentals" audio! Great stuff.


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Re: Its takes a long time to change. [Re: Silversoul]
    #5614381 - 05/10/06 07:20 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

That is indeed wise.


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