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Re: Really Need Some IDea's..... Please Help! [Re: Learning2Much]
    #5621844 - 05/12/06 04:46 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

sounds to me like the substrate was lacking something (although the RH

was a bit high should be more like 85%, but i dont think thats the

problem)and the fact that they were blueing leads me to think that you

did not have enough moisture. remember shrooms are 92% water you need to

give em enough to grow!


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Re: Really Need Some IDea's..... Please Help! [Re: BPJohnny]
    #5621856 - 05/12/06 04:50 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

No one has mentioned this:

Ph in the 8's is bad.

at 8.3 or so it will pin, but not much.

you want 6.8-7.2 ph.

7.5 ph for your casing to start with because this will drop as the mycelium excretes it's acidic metabolites.

I believe this is a ph problem, maybe I missed something in the thread though.


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Re: Really Need Some IDea's..... Please Help! [Re: monstermitch]
    #5621873 - 05/12/06 04:54 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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monstermitch said:
No one has mentioned this:

Ph in the 8's is bad.

at 8.3 or so it will pin, but not much.





i thought about this as well but i didn't know how detrimental .7 of a ph increase would be.

what kind of casing are you using and what are you using as a ph buffer?


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Re: Really Need Some IDea's..... Please Help! [Re: DaveTX]
    #5621905 - 05/12/06 05:14 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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I think you guys get too technical about growing mushrooms. I use an aquarium with perlite in the bottom. One thing I have noticed about the perlite is that it has to be broken-in. What I mean by broken-in, is that it needs to sit steaming inside the terrarium for about 2 weeks. Once the perlite is broken-in you can then put the cakes/cased-cakes inside. As far as the lighting goes, I personally don't use any lighting besides the light that comes in through the curtens. And if I'm going to examine the inside of the terrarium I will use a light. Thats all I know.






Perlite doesn't need "broken in" Sounds like you're putting in too much water.


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Re: Really Need Some IDea's..... Please Help! [Re: kristen]
    #5621916 - 05/12/06 05:17 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

yup. all needed with perlite is to have a dry layer of perlite on top of the wet stuff.

It will work instantly, no need to do anything.

The dry layer will wick the moisture from below and evaporte it.

Have to have that layer on top be dry.


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Re: Really Need Some IDea's..... Please Help! [Re: DaveTX]
    #5621936 - 05/12/06 05:23 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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DaveTX said:
I think you guys get too technical about growing mushrooms. I use an aquarium with perlite in the bottom. One thing I have noticed about the perlite is that it has to be broken-in. What I mean by broken-in, is that it needs to sit steaming inside the terrarium for about 2 weeks. Once the perlite is broken-in you can then put the cakes/cased-cakes inside. As far as the lighting goes, I personally don't use any lighting besides the light that comes in through the curtens. And if I'm going to examine the inside of the terrarium I will use a light. Thats all I know.





ok take a look at your "simple setup" VS hippiechicks "complicated"
setup (HC hope you dont mind i use your pic)
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Re: Really Need Some IDea's..... Please Help! [Re: BPJohnny]
    #5621957 - 05/12/06 05:29 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Right on Johnny.

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Re: Really Need Some IDea's..... Please Help! [Re: monstermitch]
    #5622268 - 05/12/06 06:55 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

The pH is off.  pH (above seven) is relative to how much -OH molecules are present and 0.7 can be a large margin. Hell - Coke and stomach acid are only off by a similar amount (stomach acid obviously varies more than the coke - but both will take paint off a car).  I agree with Monstermitch.

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Re: Really Need Some IDea's..... Please Help! [Re: CrazyPsilocybe]
    #5622464 - 05/12/06 07:41 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Didn't think of that... Duh    :banghead:

Well, we will modify the RH Level as well.  I have tried about everything to properly test PH Levels, Strips Probe etc.  I saw a post from agar on what he recommend expensive but the more I read the more important I think it is. 

Is it possible to modify the ph level when it is at this point.  Would you recommend re-casing it?

Thks

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Re: Really Need Some IDea's..... Please Help! [Re: Learning2Much]
    #5622491 - 05/12/06 07:46 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

you can lower it but don't use hydrated lime.

buy a hanna ph probe from proaquatica.com, I think.

they're like 20-30 bucks, tops, not too overly expensive.

Sometimes what agar says is expensive is cheap to me.
He is frugal and good with money, I just am not so much.

What I would recommend is maybe using dasani water. The ph is somewhere around 4 or 5, but don't trust me on using it.

I've never modified a ph down during a grow.
I use slight alkaline water in the later flushes for misting to keep the ph up, but never brought it down.

Be careful and maybe get a probe or some strips first as to not go too far one way or the other.

The mycelium might have been burnt from the ph being too high.

I hate to put someone out there like this but I would say send a pm to Blue Helix. He is whom I would ask and trust for sure.


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Re: Really Need Some IDea's..... Please Help! [Re: monstermitch]
    #5622509 - 05/12/06 07:50 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Thanks Monster... Your advise is much appreciated!

I am going to check out the site you recommended. I will update as I learn more.


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Re: Really Need Some IDea's..... Please Help! [Re: Learning2Much]
    #5622535 - 05/12/06 07:58 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

I got mine from ebay, but it was billed from proaquatica.com
I was just lookin on their site and couldn't find it.
http://cgi.ebay.com/Hanna-pH-TESTER-METE...1QQcmdZViewItem
try this out


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Re: Really Need Some IDea's..... Please Help! [Re: monstermitch]
    #5622716 - 05/12/06 08:41 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Quote:

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yup.  all needed with perlite is to have a dry layer of perlite on top of the wet stuff.

It will work instantly, no need to do anything.

The dry layer will wick the moisture from below and evaporte it.

Have to have that layer on top be dry.



Sorry but this is totally misinformation! No dry layer is wanted in perlite humidification just think about it for a second guys what would this possibly accomplish? Make sure all perlite is damp also make sure your fruits have plenty of RH as well as available water as maturing fruits require a ton of water guys! In other words fruits will stop growing as soon as the water supply is cutoff! :wink:


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Re: Really Need Some IDea's..... Please Help! [Re: hyphae]
    #5622739 - 05/12/06 08:44 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

thank you for the correction.

I thought I've always seen 2" perlite 1" water....
or whatever ratio they prefer.

Read alot about a dry layer acting as a wick for the wet layer below.

Don't use a pmp myself, never used perlite stand alone.

so make sure all perlite is damp.... got it.

Thank you very much.


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Re: Really Need Some IDea's..... Please Help! [Re: monstermitch]
    #5622790 - 05/12/06 08:55 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Not meant to jump on you or anything bro I've just heard this bad info a few times before and needed to address this ASAP. Yes 2" perlite and 1" water is a good ratio and that top 1" of perlite becomes damp very quickly. I like this system as opposed to just damp perlite as the RH is more stable where as just damp perlite will dryout with frequent FAE's and inadequent mistings. Although theres nothing wrong with using only damp perlite as long as the RH stay at an adequent level and is consistant.


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Re: Really Need Some IDea's..... Please Help! [Re: hyphae]
    #5622826 - 05/12/06 09:01 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

cool.

like I said I never worked with perlite in a pmp type setup.

I just assumed incorrectly that the water stayed standing on the bottom, but now that I think of it I see my incorrect comment for sure.

Perlite will soak up any water it touches so if the top layer is dry than there is no standing water on the bottom 1 inch.

Got it for sure now.


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Re: Really Need Some IDea's..... Please Help! [Re: monstermitch]
    #5622891 - 05/12/06 09:15 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

wouldn't recomend adjusting a ph during a grow you could try but honestly i think ur pissing in the wind. screw the dasani get some distilled water. that stuff has flouride and sodium in it.

maybe you should dunk the whole casing crumble and recase. hopefully it doesn't contam. what do you have to lose?

p.s. about the ph. when i was a noob i used to worry about ph so much. i actually got a tester. there was no use for it. just regular 60/40 verm coir is a perfect casing mix no need to adjust. :mushroom2:


Edited by Tomandjerry58 (05/12/06 09:19 PM)


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Re: Really Need Some IDea's..... Please Help! [Re: Tomandjerry58]
    #5622916 - 05/12/06 09:21 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)



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Re: Really Need Some IDea's..... Please Help! [Re: monstermitch]
    #5623030 - 05/12/06 09:48 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

i do have to agree with you there. i guess my verm coir is perfect then. and every time they bag it dry its at the perfect ph for mushroom growth.

i also think that the water you introduce into ur casing mix has alot to do with th ph levels.

normally verm runs about 7 and coir runs about 5. and unless somebody threw some lime into his batch i don't think that its going to effect his mushrooms


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Re: Really Need Some IDea's..... Please Help! [Re: Tomandjerry58]
    #5633794 - 05/15/06 05:00 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

UPdate:

Damn, Still the same nothing. The pins are the exact same height. I just don't get it. Why would it pin and just stop?

I will probably just dunk and recase and take my chances. But I would really like to know what could cause this???

- Not Learning Enough, lol


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