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OfflineLearning2Much
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Really Need Some IDea's..... Please Help!
    #5609962 - 05/09/06 07:19 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Things seems to have been going okay, then all the sudden BAM Nothing, my casing just stopped growing dead in it's tracks..

I Picked a few off the casing and then (the same flush just I think) pinned okay, started to grow a bit, very small bit, then stopped dead in it's tracks. It's been a bit over a week, and the pins have not grown AT ALL. I am at a total loss. PLEASE HELP!!!


Here is some background info to possible help identify the problem..

Horse Poo Casings, PH Levels were in the 8's and seemed okay. I even picked a few off the casing. The RH is around 98% and the temp has been around 65-75 range over all. Lighting has been close to 24x7. I have cut it down to see if that was the problem to about 18hrs light.

ANY IDEAS< PLEASE HELP!!!

Thx's

L2M


Edited by Learning2Much (05/09/06 07:21 PM)


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OfflineLearning2Much
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Re: Really Need Some IDea's..... Please Help! [Re: Learning2Much]
    #5610165 - 05/09/06 07:53 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Bump


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Re: Really Need Some IDea's..... Please Help! [Re: Learning2Much]
    #5610194 - 05/09/06 08:02 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Well.. here is some more information that I hope helps


It looks like most all the pins are starting to abort. I have about two pins that are about a half inch in height. The base of one of the larger pins is really blueing hard, like it was bruised. I didn't even water it, so I don't think that was it. Some of the really small pins have myc growing on the caps. I think I should expect that when they are that small, but not sure...

Any Input at all would be appreciated!!!

L2m


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Re: Really Need Some IDea's..... Please Help! [Re: Learning2Much]
    #5610386 - 05/09/06 08:40 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Okay, Think the humidity is too high, around 98%


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Re: Really Need Some IDea's..... Please Help! [Re: Learning2Much]
    #5610432 - 05/09/06 08:56 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

how deep is the substrate?


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Re: Really Need Some IDea's..... Please Help! [Re: magicbastard]
    #5610484 - 05/09/06 09:10 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

There is about 1.5 inches of casing on the bottom, the substrate is about 3inch in depth.

How would that cause this effect? Would love to know what your thinking. And.. What other questions would help determine this cause..

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Re: Really Need Some IDea's..... Please Help! [Re: Learning2Much]
    #5610513 - 05/09/06 09:20 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

first of all do a 12 on 12 off with ur lighting. there are so many things that could be wrong. have u ever grown out of the fruiting chamber ur growing in?


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Re: Really Need Some IDea's..... Please Help! [Re: Learning2Much]
    #5610533 - 05/09/06 09:25 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

preschooler...

I do about an 18/6 light cycle. 18 On, 4 Off.

I have grown out of FC Im using now. Heck, There was even some that popped out of the same cake, so I was told.


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Re: Really Need Some IDea's..... Please Help! [Re: Learning2Much]
    #5610571 - 05/09/06 09:36 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

one time i was trying to do a straw ball. the ball pined all over. i mean like crazy pins. they nver grew more than a quarter inch. to this day i think it was because of no airflow and just having a really small chamber. i mean the thing was basket ball sized in 10 gallon tub. finally i got a hudifier and a 35 gallon tub


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Re: Really Need Some IDea's..... Please Help! [Re: Learning2Much]
    #5610598 - 05/09/06 09:44 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

I've been using 24/7 lighting to start pinning w/o any problemt. Once i'm happy with the pinset, I go to 16/8 (on/off) So I dont think that's the prob. An argument against a bottom casing layer is that it can contam and you wont know about it. A contam could hault growth. Could be that


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Re: Really Need Some IDea's..... Please Help! [Re: Tomandjerry58]
    #5610612 - 05/09/06 09:49 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

sorry if i can't help too much on this go around. i have failed miserably before. sometimes you just have to start over. i can give u some tips for the future though. large fc, vicks cool mist with tube, wbs, straw+poo= great results. 12 on 12 light is very sufficent ur not going to speed anything up by adding more light. shroomies need to sleep too!

run that cool mist on a timer 18 hrs on. spread out threw out the day
good luck hope ive helped the cause


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Re: Really Need Some IDea's..... Please Help! [Re: Tomandjerry58]
    #5610624 - 05/09/06 09:53 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

I'm using perlite for humidity and it seems to be okay, around 98%. I just took some out to see if lowering the humidity to around 90% will change the effect.

See, I was thinking it could of stopped growing because the myc was fighting some type of contaminate. It would make sense at least. Is there an easy way to check it our just take it out and look.

Actually, I'll make a phone call and get it checked and post on what I see.


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Re: Really Need Some IDea's..... Please Help! [Re: Learning2Much]
    #5610648 - 05/09/06 10:01 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Okay,

Well, the good news. No Contams visible (c:

The bottom casing layer was much much thinner than originally thought. I guess when incubating it colonized much of the bottom layer. There is about 1/4 inch left for a bottom casing layer. I am going to sterilize some more casing mix and have put it on the bottom. I don't think that moisture content was too low, but I don't think it would hurt to recase some of it.

Any other ideas that would cause such an effect?>


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Re: Really Need Some IDea's..... Please Help! [Re: Learning2Much]
    #5610655 - 05/09/06 10:03 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)



i hope this works not very good at this


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Re: Really Need Some IDea's..... Please Help! [Re: Tomandjerry58]
    #5610680 - 05/09/06 10:08 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

that cool mist will create the ultimate airflow for ur chamber.and those holes are 3/8 inch with polyfill ran threw them for exhaust.
just a cut out hole and plexi galss put on the top so th light can get in. read a little into patch casing. that will help ur pinset not the extra light.


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Re: Really Need Some IDea's..... Please Help! [Re: Tomandjerry58]
    #5610726 - 05/09/06 10:19 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Nice Set up!!

Do you think using a single bubble wand and a air stone with perlite would cause adequate air exchange for a container app 1/2 larger than the one pictured?


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Re: Really Need Some IDea's..... Please Help! [Re: Learning2Much]
    #5610775 - 05/09/06 10:31 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

screw the perlite. it a freaking mess and it harbors contams. that is a 55 dollar set up at the most. including light, hudifier, tub, and plexi glass.

with the hudifier you get air exchange and humidity. plus you can replace the filters.


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Re: Really Need Some IDea's..... Please Help! [Re: Tomandjerry58]
    #5610819 - 05/09/06 10:42 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

airflow is key the more of it the larger the shrooms will get.more space more room to grow.

you never have to fan this either.

if you can fill the bottom up with poo and straw and some colonized birdseed. let it colonize. case it then patch case 3 to four days later. 2 days later turn light on 12 on 12 . turn hudifier on a timer 18hrs on spread threw out 24 hrs.

by the way those holes are drilled all the way around the fruiting chamber


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Re: Really Need Some IDea's..... Please Help! [Re: Tomandjerry58]
    #5611263 - 05/10/06 12:47 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

I think you guys get too technical about growing mushrooms. I use an aquarium with perlite in the bottom. One thing I have noticed about the perlite is that it has to be broken-in. What I mean by broken-in, is that it needs to sit steaming inside the terrarium for about 2 weeks. Once the perlite is broken-in you can then put the cakes/cased-cakes inside. As far as the lighting goes, I personally don't use any lighting besides the light that comes in through the curtens. And if I'm going to examine the inside of the terrarium I will use a light. Thats all I know.


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Re: Really Need Some IDea's..... Please Help! [Re: DaveTX]
    #5621826 - 05/12/06 04:38 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

A Quick Update...


Same situation, nothing.  Nothing good, nothing bad?  I guess thats a lie.  Nothing is bad, lol

:roulette:


I will update.. I hope eventually someone will be able to view this post to get some ideas if it happens to them.

L2M


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