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ExplosiveMango
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Re: In Reply To "whats with people becoming christians" thread [Re: shrooma]
#5609121 - 05/09/06 02:57 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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The bible has nothing to do with the nature of god. The bible was written by man, and has to do with man's feelings about god, at best.
At worst it is simply a propaganda medium created by some of the most ingenious practical psychologists ever to have lived.
A god cannot be harnessed in a book, or anything else. Any god controllable in this manner would not be a god.
Why is the fundamental monotheistic foundation always related to the ability to fail god? Fear. Fear is the most powerful psychological control. Fear of separation from a group promotes unity in a group, as does fear of difference or change. The powerful religions of today have flourished thanks to an abusive dose of human fear, spirituality is not what ensures communal survival.
Why does any man believe he has the right to tell another to fear his god?
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ExplosiveMango
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Re: In Reply To "whats with people becoming christians" thread [Re: Entropymancer]
#5609166 - 05/09/06 03:10 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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And as to no one being able to "able to DISprove the bible," that is a totally naive statement. Have you read Genesis (it's the first book in the Bible, shouldn't have taken you long to get around to)? There's two contradictory creation myths (the 7 days thing and the Adam and Eve thing). Check it out: In the seven days, God creates the cosmos and heaven and earth and whatall, then plants, then animals, THEN humans. In the garden of Eden, God creates Adam, and THEN creates animals to keep him company. Those two creation stories have distinctly contradictory chronologies. So there, now you're Bible has been "DISproven".
This guy knows what he's talking about.
Trying to use a scientific statement to defend religion is a hilarious idea.
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Re: In Reply To "whats with people becoming christians" thread *DELETED* [Re: ExplosiveMango]
#5609231 - 05/09/06 03:33 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Lion
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Re: In Reply To "whats with people becoming christians" thread [Re: EmptySpace]
#5609533 - 05/09/06 05:04 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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EmptySpace said:According to christians, the world was created six thousand years ago, and God specifically created man to be the ultimate creatures in the universe. In essence other civilizations do not exist. ...Christian Ignorance. Peace.
This is kind of an over-generalization. Many Christians are bright enough to recognize metaphor when they see it.
I have two essential 'beefs' with religion. First of all, the Abrahamic faiths have a nasty tendency to cause millions of needless deaths. From the Crusades to the ban on Federal loans for stem-cell research, from the Inquisition to the Catholic ban on teaching condom-use in Africa, right up to 9/11, extreme religion is the most divisive force in the world, or at least tied with money for that dubious honor. Although one can argue that 'moderate' religion (i.e. not preaching that people who don't follow your faith will burn in hell, not lobbying to keep marijuana illegal because it is a sacrament of Satan, etc.) is reasonable enough, there remains a huge problem with it: following a religion like Christianity or Islam 'in moderation' leaves you no moral ground to combat extremism, because extremism is merely a different interpretation (and usually a more accurate one) of the textual basis for the same religion. How can you argue over interpretations of a dogma that cannot be objectively analyzed?
My second gripe is that faith is simply not real. It does not exist. By nature we are all intrinsically agnostic until we die. No one on this earth knows whether Jesus was the son of God, born of a virgin, or whether the Oneness with All experienced at the height of an acid trip is not really some grand mental hallucination. Claiming to 'believe' in a religion whose tenets you have no way of confirming is essentially lying to yourself on a deep spiritual level. Science falls in this category too because the only means we have of proving its worth are endemic to science itself; science has nothing to say about anomalous phenomena that do not occur in ordered sets, and the measure of 'probability' that is a central tenet of the scientific method occupies the same theoretical plane as trans-substantiation and string-theory.
In short: if God wanted us to group ourselves under the banners of religion, he wouldn't have made the Nature of Things so damn inscrutable.
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butane
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Re: In Reply To "whats with people becoming christians" thread [Re: DanJohnHarris]
#5609554 - 05/09/06 05:11 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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I think that what sets me off about a lot of Christians is how although they pretend to admit that they could be wrong just to create peace, they are actually mentally noting themselves as superior to you because they believe the only real truth, and this mentality shows through.
It seems that with almost every religion in the world, in order to really believe it, you also have to firmly believe that every other religion is wrong. With agnosticism, you acknowledge that you could be wrong and that there might be a god, but there isn't anything to support that theory at the moment. However, there is a bunch of cool evidence over here about evolution and the big bang and stuff that you should really take a look at. The only exception to this is Buddhism, which is clearly evident in their willingness to adopt and combine other religions with itself, such as with Shinto in Japan. Also, the religion changed significantly on its way from India to China, where the general school of thought moved away from strict rules and guidelines over to other methods of enlightenment, such as with other mini-Buddhas (can't remember the word). Some sects of Buddhism are so drastically different that it can be compared the difference between Christianity, Judaism and Islam. They are fully ready to admit that they could be wrong and adopt new methods.
Anyway, I gotta run, but that's my 2c. Also, I agree with whoever it was who pointed out how Christians by themselves are fine, but turning Christian tenets into law isn't. Wurd.
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Re: In Reply To "whats with people becoming christians" thread [Re: butane]
#5609846 - 05/09/06 06:55 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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[qoute]What's the rubix cube stuff all about. Did you find me on a cubing forum or something?
Haha thats quite a coincidence, nah my flatmates into cubing, he's actually got a simliar average to you! 
I dont think its hypocritical for me to celebrate Christmas/Easter, at the end of the day its about being with your family which doesnt happen too often as you get older.
As for there being more evidence about "Jesus than Julius Ceaser". Where? If you check out wikipedia you'll see a lot of blanks and geusses about Jesus.
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Jesus probably lived in Galilee for most of his life and he probably spoke Aramaic and Hebrew
Not exactly a difinative answer, there is very little info on Jesus outside the Bible. In fact I think there is only one reference to him anywhere, which simply says he was crucified. Julius Caesar on the other hand, has lots of definitive facts about him, lots of accurate dates and his existance is based on multitudes of information from many sources.
I have no fear of death - but I'd rather be alive. Just because your happy when you die beacuase you think your gonna go to heaven doesnt mean its actually there. They dont know, I dont know. I'll stick with the null hypothesis, dont wanna be dissappointed. 
I personally cant explain how everything began, I think it's silly to speculate. I'll deal with that stuff when I'm dead. If it comes down to having to believe during life to go to heaven, I will stand in the face of God and tell him that's not on. We are a product of our genes and our environment, so effectivly we dont choose whether or not we "believe", its determined already - by him.
I spose I do believe in something, you could call it God- mearly because we are existing, so something must have started it off. I also dont think that supreme being will punish me for being logical, after all "he" invented logic for a reason - to make sense of his construction.
As for being to disprove the bible, something tells me it could never be disprooven in your eyes, that is Faith. There's loads of errors in the Bible, contradictions ect. I spose the question is o you think the bible was written by people?
I think it was written by a bunch of different authors conveying what they believed at the time and a culmination of oral legends. I'd sum the bible up as chineese whispers recorded at least 400 years after the first event, heavily edited by people along the way for all sorts of reasons.
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Re: In Reply To "whats with people becoming christians" thread *DELETED* [Re: Feelers]
#5609932 - 05/09/06 07:12 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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grimR
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Re: In Reply To "whats with people becoming christians" thread [Re: DanJohnHarris]
#5610002 - 05/09/06 07:26 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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religion is built on faith, those not in faith rely on science.
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Re: In Reply To "whats with people becoming christians" thread [Re: grimR]
#5610035 - 05/09/06 07:32 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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I believe in god, but i don't believe in religion. I just think there's some superior force some where in the universe or even beyond. I just think there's gotta be something more than we know, maby some thing else we cant understand or see. But as far as religion i think alot of its made up...
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Re: In Reply To "whats with people becoming christians" thread [Re: BlindLemon]
#5610346 - 05/09/06 08:33 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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At the end of the day, if you read my first post, I stated I didn't want this to turn into an argument, All I wanted was for a few of my questions to be answered - which has been done. By the way I am thankful for everyones contribution it all makes for a very interesting read.
You've just got to appreciate how differently human beings think individually.
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Re: In Reply To "whats with people becoming christians" thread [Re: shrooma]
#5611604 - 05/10/06 05:11 AM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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shrooma said: Over the years Science is continually being proven wrong and new theory's are being produced to replace old ones. Fuck people used ot think the world was flat. Although in 2000 years nobody has been able to DISprove the bible. Not one.
Holes can be poked in anything that is not 100% proven but accepting what is logically most reasonable is the obvious choice, radiometric dating, other dating tools and evolution disproove the idea of Christianity. The bible claims the earths age is far less than what can be logically proven
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shrooma said: Another misconception is that people think GOD is this big dude with a beard who sits in a throne somewhere up in the sky. Who says he isn't just a form of energy. Who says god simply isn't the idea of Love. The fact is it doesn't matter what he looks like.
I agree to an extent but u say "he is a form of energy" when i think we are the form of energy, we are god, I am god, You are god, the sun is god, life is god.... I dont think one presence or one thing is god I think we are god
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