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Did you hear the Registered: 05/21/02 Posts: 499 Loc: Near the exit of Last seen: 15 years, 3 months |
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This is not just referring to the following quote but the whole thread. I just took this quote coz it was the last one on the last page ATTOW.
Quote: My question is what makes you people despise the fact of religion so much? What is it exactly that makes Aethiests hate christians so much? It seems that Aethiests hate christians just as much as you're grandmother hate's people who uses drugs. I'll start of with I'm Christian. No I wasn't brainwashed as a child, I found God myself. No I don't go to church, no I don't recite phrases from the bible and no I don't even really read the bible. Yes I use drugs (occassionally). But I pray each night and I have a personal connection with God. As for the whole "Proof" matter I BELEIVE that if there was proof then that would make things far too easy. Lets just assume the whole God thing is correct, and God wants to find out who is faithful to the idea of his existence and who isn't. Now in order to have faith you need to do so without "Proof". Get me? If god just came to earth tomorrow, performed some miracles and proved his existence then obviously everyones gonna go "Oh ok he's real I'll believe it now that i see it" but these people aren't believing through faith, they are believing because they can't possibly believe anything other than that. Another misconception is that people think GOD is this big dude with a beard who sits in a throne somewhere up in the sky. Who says he isn't just a form of energy. Who says god simply isn't the idea of Love. The fact is it doesn't matter what he looks like. I also think it's a bit hypocritical to celebrate Christmas and Easter if you don't believe in religion. You can't say oh yeah Jesus and all that shits a load of crap, now lets trade some presents or lets trade some easter eggs. Why would you do that? Because everyone else is doing it? ![]() I should also add that there is more evidence that supports Jesus Christ than there is that supports Julius Ceaser. Who doesn't believe in Ceaser? Remember people just because you can't see something or you can't work out how something works doesn't mean its not there (no matter how much your brain wants to believe that). I was speaking to a friend the otherday (who is not religious) and his mum works in a nursing home and she says that the old people who are religious always die with a smile on their face, the aethists suffer terribly and are always afraid of death. Not that thats the reason why I'm religious. From everyone I've met that has truly devoted themselves to god, they seem to glow, they're ALWAYS fukin happy - they say it's like being on some drug 24/7 - i rekon that's pretty damn cool. Over the years Science is continually being proven wrong and new theory's are being produced to replace old ones. Fuck people used ot think the world was flat. Although in 2000 years nobody has been able to DISprove the bible. Not one. Finally I would like to add that I'm not on a mission to convert anyone. If you don't want to share my beliefs that's fine, it's your life and YOU'RE in charge. I'm not going to criticise you or call you stupid or anything like that. But all I ask is that you (aethiests) also respect anyone who chooses to take part in a relion. Stop calling us idiots and morons simply because you don't believe. Obviously nobody can prove either side right or wrong so it's all a matter of belief. Thankyou for reading this far and sorry If I offended anyone in anyways - it was unintentional peaceShrooma ![]() Finally I might add that some people say religion is an easy way out of things ie it wraps everything up in a nice little package. Well I also have a very Scientific mind and for a while I struggled with the fact of God because to me it seemed a lot EASIER to believe that religion was made up in out minds to comfort us. To make us think there's more than there is. So we think someone is watching out for us. To me THIS seems like the easy way out, it takes a lot more strength to place faith in something you haven't seen. But then I got thinking that if God IS real then he definately would have wanted it to be this way. He would want to make it seem a lot easier by this time and age to believe Science. That way he could find out who the TRUE believers are. I think it proves that God has a sense of humour, you know. He says to his angels "Alright alright guys lets see who down there REALLY has it in them to believe. Lets throw down some dude named Charles Darwin and when he grows up we'll give him the idea of evolution and get him to spread it round the world. This should be interesting" ![]() Once again thankyou for reading this far. I don't want this to turn in to an arguement. Just a place for people to keep an open mind and to accept other peoples opinions. -------------------- "[More than] half the people in federal prison are there for drug offences. We're arresting half a million people a year for possessing marijuana. We're locking up kids sometimes for life for their first drug offence. We have no room in our prisons for rapists and child molesters and murderers cause we're filling them up with these non violent drug offenders." - Steven Duke, Yale Law School on 'Hooked: Illegal Drugs and How They Got That Way' -
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Stranger Registered: 04/20/06 Posts: 69 Last seen: 16 years, 9 months |
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I do not hate anybody. I used to be Roman Catholic, but now I am just independent of all religious affiliations. I have no problem in what people believe, and how the spend their sundays. What bothers me about Christians, is the fact that they commercialize morality to such a great extent, and yet do not practice it.
The conservative government, in large part, is controlled by christian and "born again" ideology. I just do not like the fact that I have some bible thumper telling me what to do. I do not believe in your ideology, do not tell me that I am immoral, and do not tell me what to do. Believe what you want to believe, but do not impose christian "morality" on me. I am sorry this might seem like I am attacking you, but I mean to attack the global Christian Community. Peace. -------------------- We can't stop here - This is bat country. -Duke--Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas
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Just Danson inth ![]() Registered: 10/27/05 Posts: 1,260 Last seen: 13 years, 9 months |
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Quote: You just answered your own question.
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Did you hear the Registered: 05/21/02 Posts: 499 Loc: Near the exit of Last seen: 15 years, 3 months |
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Quote: sorry I'm not too god with terminology. By fact i meant idea. Sorry. -------------------- "[More than] half the people in federal prison are there for drug offences. We're arresting half a million people a year for possessing marijuana. We're locking up kids sometimes for life for their first drug offence. We have no room in our prisons for rapists and child molesters and murderers cause we're filling them up with these non violent drug offenders." - Steven Duke, Yale Law School on 'Hooked: Illegal Drugs and How They Got That Way' -
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Did you hear the Registered: 05/21/02 Posts: 499 Loc: Near the exit of Last seen: 15 years, 3 months |
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Quote: no no this is good. I see where you are coming from, and I don't agree with a lot of the way some christian communities try to force it onto people. I believe it's something people have to decide for themselves. -------------------- "[More than] half the people in federal prison are there for drug offences. We're arresting half a million people a year for possessing marijuana. We're locking up kids sometimes for life for their first drug offence. We have no room in our prisons for rapists and child molesters and murderers cause we're filling them up with these non violent drug offenders." - Steven Duke, Yale Law School on 'Hooked: Illegal Drugs and How They Got That Way' -
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Decadent Flower Magnate Registered: 09/20/05 Posts: 8,775 Last seen: 3 days, 20 hours |
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It is perplexing to me that one would allow himself to go through life filtering every experience through one worldview. You say you found God, and judging from your assertion that you are a Christian, you believe him to be the God whose son was Jesus Christ born of a virgin. Far be it from me to say that your revelation was untrue. In the next few minutes someone will have a profound revelation that Islam is the One True Faith; someone else, Zoroastrianism. I have yet to meet a Christian who has disproven the existence of the DMT Elves, or a yogi who can demonstrate that Mohammed was not the Divine Prophet. Why limit yourself? We live in an unfathomably strange world that offers so many realms of experience and paths to enlightenment. I just can't conceive of God looking down on his children and thinking, "Hurry up and pick the right one."
Edited by Lion (05/09/06 09:13 AM)
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Did you hear the Registered: 05/21/02 Posts: 499 Loc: Near the exit of Last seen: 15 years, 3 months |
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Quote: Because as a christian I believe that this isn't the only life we will experience. I believe that this is only the test (or 'life') that is the entrance to the rest of our existence. Just a very small section of our existence. It's like putting a child in a room full of fruit and chocolates and lollies. Then saying to him/her 'You may only eat the fruit in this room for the period of time you stay here. If you do that then you will be able to eat any food you desire when you leave this room but if you choose to eat the other confectionary in this room then once you leave you will only ever be allowed to eat fruit.' Or try the story of willy wonka and the chocolate factory. I must apologise in advance I enjoy using metaphors although I am not very good at producing them. -------------------- "[More than] half the people in federal prison are there for drug offences. We're arresting half a million people a year for possessing marijuana. We're locking up kids sometimes for life for their first drug offence. We have no room in our prisons for rapists and child molesters and murderers cause we're filling them up with these non violent drug offenders." - Steven Duke, Yale Law School on 'Hooked: Illegal Drugs and How They Got That Way' -
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Bongoboy2000 Registered: 02/07/04 Posts: 403 Loc: Seattle Last seen: 11 years, 6 months |
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well said, bug!
I've never had a religious awakening, but to me, a mushroom (or salvia) trip rivals any religious tale I've ever heard. The experience can profoundly change anyone's view of the universe, christian or not. Oddly, god seems to thrive in fields covered in cow shit.. -------------------- ...I got nothin..
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at least I'm housebroken Registered: 05/07/06 Posts: 10,788 Last seen: 5 years, 10 months |
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Quote: you made a whole new thread to defend your religion when you could have just posted in the existing thread. that's so typically christian. ![]() I'm sure you'll probably jump up and take offense to that like all the rest of the christians do, before actually analyzing it and thinking about it. it's quite obviously a facetious comment, to spell it out for you. as is this whole reply up until this point. the important thing that everyone(or almost everyone) seems to miss, is that religion is not important. what makes any of the "stock religions" better than the other? why, does society force you to chose one of them? who is to say that they're right? what should be happening is that people should be encouraged to believe in what they want. then there will be no religion, because each person will have their own ideas(and they will only be ideas). of course this would require the majority of humanity to take off their wool(that was a relatively clever pun where I basically called people sheep; ie following the flock. you christians might not have gotten that lest I explained it.) religion is not important. faith IS. it doesn't matter what you believe in. you could believe that killing people is great and have faith in your morals. killing people is universally considered wrong, but that's not the point. the point is that you have your own thing going and you're not following everyone else. you believe what you believe. organized religion doesn't give you this chance(not the chance to kill people...that was just an example of the negative extreme to better prove the point here), it simply has you following something that you can't really believe in your soul, because they're not YOUR beliefs. they're your adopted beliefs, which you may strongly agree with, but they can never be yours. -------------------- TACOS LIKE A MOTHERFUCKER Edited by HeadTripVertigo (05/09/06 09:39 AM)
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Decadent Flower Magnate Registered: 09/20/05 Posts: 8,775 Last seen: 3 days, 20 hours |
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Quote:I am familiar with the concept of the Christian afterlife, but I find your metaphor unsettling to say the least. My basic qualm is your off-hand rejection of the "chocolates and lollies". This is precisely what I mean when I say "filtering your experience through one worldview". How have you convinced yourself that Christianity is the only path to enlightenment and the afterlife? I could spend about 15 minutes in the Religion forum here and find people who exclusively follow the tenets of Judaism, Buddhism, Hinduism and Shroomism ( ). How can you reject these people, many of whom have come to their revelations in a way similar to your own, as lollie-grabbers, and reserve for yourself the title of 'fruit-indulger' (an unfortunate metaphor for a Christian, I might add ) because you deem yourself to have found the right one.My metaphor for religion would be something like this: God plants a seed in the earth, out of which springs the most divine tree, whose fruits endow any who eat them with a glimpse of the Love and Glory of God. Adam and Eve take the fruits of this plant with them for sustenance when they are banished from Eden. Over time, as humans multiply, the seeds are carried to far corners of the world, where the trees they bears begins take different shapes, each of which offers succelent fruit (though not as succelent nor as divine as the original fruits). Different factions of humans begin to appear, divided over which plant bears the sweetest fruit. Millions are slaughtered because they reject the notion that other factions' fruits are sweeter than theirs. But what none of them realizes is that all of these trees came from the same seed, and now they are sickly-sweet and offer only a shadow of the divinity that was before their greatest virtue. -------------------- “Strengthened by contemplation and study, I will not fear my passions like a coward. My body I will give to pleasures, to diversions that I’ve dreamed of, to the most daring erotic desires, to the lustful impulses of my blood, without any fear at all, for whenever I will— and I will have the will, strengthened as I’ll be with contemplation and study— at the crucial moments I’ll recover my spirit as was before: ascetic.” Edited by Lion (05/09/06 09:39 AM)
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Did you hear the Registered: 05/21/02 Posts: 499 Loc: Near the exit of Last seen: 15 years, 3 months |
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Quote: Perhaps so, but the reason I did it wasn't to defend my religion, but rather to have my own personal questions answered. Quote: I am not jumping up and taking offence, I appreciate your imput. I will analyze your comments the best I can.Quote: 1.Nothing makes any religion or belief better than another. It's merely each individuals perosnal perspective. 2. I personally don't believe society 'forces' you too choose any imparticular religion (not the society I live in anyways). 3. The only person to say if they're right is the person involved. You say people should be encouraged to believe in anything they want - have you read all my other posts in this thread? This is what I have said myself. IMO there still will be religion because it is a specific set of ideas. and I got your little joke, I actually enjoyed it. Very clever ![]() Quote: Faith in killing people is different to faith in a religion. For examply Religion is not only a way of life, but a meaning to life (to the believer). Killing (in your example) would be more of a hobby. Re: beliefs then anything that anyone believes in is not their own belief. In this case ALL beliefs, religious or not, are adopted. Therefore they are all equal. -------------------- "[More than] half the people in federal prison are there for drug offences. We're arresting half a million people a year for possessing marijuana. We're locking up kids sometimes for life for their first drug offence. We have no room in our prisons for rapists and child molesters and murderers cause we're filling them up with these non violent drug offenders." - Steven Duke, Yale Law School on 'Hooked: Illegal Drugs and How They Got That Way' -
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Quote: Well, I think you've summed up the reason that scientists hate Christians. So many christians few science as a fundamental attack on their faith, when really it's just a systematic way of processing information from the natural world. The reason that science is constantly being proven wrong is because that is what it's intended to do. Every theory is simply a model for comprehending some aspect of the natural world until a better model comes along. And as to no one being able to "able to DISprove the bible," that is a totally naive statement. Have you read Genesis (it's the first book in the Bible, shouldn't have taken you long to get around to)? There's two contradictory creation myths (the 7 days thing and the Adam and Eve thing). Check it out: In the seven days, God creates the cosmos and heaven and earth and whatall, then plants, then animals, THEN humans. In the garden of Eden, God creates Adam, and THEN creates animals to keep him company. Those two creation stories have distinctly contradictory chronologies. So there, now you're Bible has been "DISproven". Really, I try not to hate Christians, but so many of them try to push their monumental prejudices onto me. I don't mind it so much in person, that I can shrug off. It's the fucking Christians in the government imposing their morality on everyone else through legislature that pisses me off. -------------------- Good Drug Books PCPiHKAL|Rhodium
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Did you hear the Registered: 05/21/02 Posts: 499 Loc: Near the exit of Last seen: 15 years, 3 months |
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Quote: Let me start by apologising once again for my metaphors. They suck! In the same way that they reject Christianity. Although I might also add that I believe there is only 1 god, although he appears as different forms to each religion. Because we are not all the same people, it's not as easy for us to accept the one God (eg in ancient times could an anglo saxon contemplate a black god? and vice ersa). Could you also explain to me the religion of Shroomism ?Quote: I admire your theory. Is this the doing of *insert holy chanting* Shroomism
-------------------- "[More than] half the people in federal prison are there for drug offences. We're arresting half a million people a year for possessing marijuana. We're locking up kids sometimes for life for their first drug offence. We have no room in our prisons for rapists and child molesters and murderers cause we're filling them up with these non violent drug offenders." - Steven Duke, Yale Law School on 'Hooked: Illegal Drugs and How They Got That Way' -
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at least I'm housebroken Registered: 05/07/06 Posts: 10,788 Last seen: 5 years, 10 months |
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Quote: 1. it's not personal perspective, because these religions are already established. it's assumed personal perspective. 2. society doesn't force you, of course, it was just an expression. but in the majority of the world, people are grown as ____ since birth until they're old enough to make their own choices. example: baptising children isn't cool in my book, because that's making the choice for them, and it's something they may not want. naturally, you can't go back in time and get unbaptised. generally speaking, you're being pushed into a religious affiliation by your family and community all throughout your childhood, and you don't know any better really, you're a kid. then later on, you either accept that "that's what you are" for your life or you actually think about it and realize that thats what THEY have said you are. 3. that's true to an extent. people who are followers of organized religion cannot say that they're right. they had no part in creating the religion or giving their personal feelings on what it should be. their religions were made thousands of years ago. they have adopted them as their own by either the way described above or by falling into it later in life. it is not their own, so they cannot be right about it. and in response to the last bit you wrote, you're missing it. I'm not saying they're the same at all. it's the larger picture you're missing. it's not faith in religion, it's not faith in killing people.....it's faith, period. -------------------- TACOS LIKE A MOTHERFUCKER
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Did you hear the Registered: 05/21/02 Posts: 499 Loc: Near the exit of Last seen: 15 years, 3 months |
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Quote: In my opinion I don't think this disproves the bible. It maybe contradictory in some ways. But the fact of the matter is it was written by humans. At the time they probably didn't see it important which was made first but rather the fact that they were made. Please try to remember people I am not trying to force anything on anyone, please don't think I'm trying to 'convert' anyone to christian. All I'm asking is that you try to not despise other people for what they believe whether they are Muslim, Buddhist, Jewish, Christian, Aetheist or Shroomist as bug pointed out . I don't agree with forcing a religion on people as it appears is what's happening in America but i don't think it's right to generalise all Christians exactly the same. OK i definately gotta go to bed now, I have Uni in 6 hours and if I keep going then all I'm going to be thinking about is Religion. Tomorrow will try to respond to as many posts as one boy possibly can. And thankyou everyone for your contribution. -------------------- "[More than] half the people in federal prison are there for drug offences. We're arresting half a million people a year for possessing marijuana. We're locking up kids sometimes for life for their first drug offence. We have no room in our prisons for rapists and child molesters and murderers cause we're filling them up with these non violent drug offenders." - Steven Duke, Yale Law School on 'Hooked: Illegal Drugs and How They Got That Way' -
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Mad Scientist Registered: 03/02/05 Posts: 13,372 |
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Quote: A good summation. Like you said, most people could care less abouta persons religion, what they believe,their morals etc. However conservative christians have imposed their beliefs through the government. You clima: If you don't want to share my beliefs that's fine, it's your life and YOU'RE in charge. If this were true, no one would bother you, or your religion. However when christians are on the warpath to over turn Roe VS. wade and to introduce ID in schools, it IS effecting my life. -------------------- ...the whole experience is (and is as) a profound piece of knowledge. It is an indellible experience; it is forever known. I have known myself in a way I doubt I would have ever occurred except as it did. Smith, P. Bull. Menninger Clinic (1959) 23:20-27; p. 27. ...most subjects find the experience valuable, some find it frightening, and many say that is it uniquely lovely. Osmond, H. Annals, NY Acad Science (1957) 66:418-434; p.436
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Legalize ALL! Registered: 10/04/05 Posts: 309 Loc: Seattle, Wa Last seen: 10 years, 4 months |
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The obvious question still applies. Say there was some God that did eventually come down to earth or Jesus incarnate. We're just a tiny blue dot, maybe there are civilizations millions, possibly billions of years ahead of us technologically. What makes you think that some super advanced race of beings can't do what God says he can do??? Easily possible.
Azen
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Steve Registered: 04/10/06 Posts: 299 Loc: The United State Last seen: 17 years, 4 months |
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Faith is such an interesting thing. Most people seem to view faith as believing in something without having proof. One of dictionary.com's definitions of the word reads "Belief that does not rest on logical proof or material evidence. " Do you think that the Heaven's Gate people had faith that they would be transported to their spaceship after they died? Of course they did. What makes this kind of faith different from any other. Is it so wrong to ask God for proof?
Believe what you want, but stop telling me about it. Stop telling me I'm wrong. Stop telling me that I will endure the most painful suffering imaginable for all of eternity for not falling to my knees in front of a cross. (I realise not all of these apply to you, but I speak more to christians in general -------------------- I am a fictional character
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Stranger Registered: 04/20/06 Posts: 69 Last seen: 16 years, 9 months |
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Quote: According to christians, the world was created six thousand years ago, and God specifically created man to be the ultimate creatures in the universe. In essence other civilizations do not exist. ...Christian Ignorance. Peace. -------------------- We can't stop here - This is bat country. -Duke--Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas
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Stranger Registered: 05/29/04 Posts: 52 Loc: UK Last seen: 14 years, 6 months |
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Quote: Dude.... what kind of Christian are you? You dont read the bible? Why call yourself a Christian?? If you believed in what it said surely you'd have a healthy interest in its contents??? Or do you just hope that there is a god and when you die you'll be kitted out with a sweet pad in heaven just for wearing a T-shirt that says "I believe"? Theres alot more to being religious than just faith.
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). How can you reject these people, many of whom have come to their revelations in a way similar to your own, as lollie-grabbers, and reserve for yourself the title of 'fruit-indulger' (an unfortunate metaphor for a Christian, I might add
) because you deem yourself to have found the right one.
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