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Aluminium
    #5607764 - 05/09/06 08:02 AM (18 years, 1 month ago)

Guys i think there is something that should be addressed asap.
I see many people use aluminium foil or aluminium trays for their experiments.
I dont use it simply because I've always been warned it is harmful because mycelium kind of eat it.
So, if we agree this is true, I think we should stick this or another similar message on top of the board. let's discuss.


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Re: Aluminium [Re: cupevampe]
    #5607777 - 05/09/06 08:08 AM (18 years, 1 month ago)

It's been discussed a lot, and it's my belief as well that aluminum or any metal product used in a mushroom grow is unhealthy, with the exception being metal jar lids which don't contact the substrate.

But most people are willing to risk it, and/or don't really care enough not to use it. To each his own.


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Re: Aluminium [Re: Holydiver]
    #5608072 - 05/09/06 10:02 AM (18 years, 1 month ago)

what about plastic then? does mycilium eat that.ie. black trash bags.


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Re: Aluminium [Re: inoculatedGreif]
    #5608097 - 05/09/06 10:09 AM (18 years, 1 month ago)

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what about plastic then? does mycilium eat that.ie. black trash bags.




No


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Re: Aluminium [Re: Holydiver]
    #5608103 - 05/09/06 10:11 AM (18 years, 1 month ago)

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It's been discussed a lot, and it's my belief as well that aluminum or any metal product used in a mushroom grow is unhealthy, with the exception being metal jar lids which don't contact the substrate.

But most people are willing to risk it, and/or don't really care enough not to use it. To each his own.




It is my belief too, that metal is unhealthy! But is it a scientific fact? If so we should keep posting aluminium and metal warnings every now and then.


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Re: Aluminium [Re: cupevampe]
    #5608113 - 05/09/06 10:14 AM (18 years, 1 month ago)

Yes, you can be the designated aluminum guy! :smirk:


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Re: Aluminium [Re: cupevampe]
    #5608121 - 05/09/06 10:15 AM (18 years, 1 month ago)

>But is it a scientific fact?

No.

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Re: Aluminium [Re: FooMan]
    #5608165 - 05/09/06 10:32 AM (18 years, 1 month ago)

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Yes, you can be the designated aluminum guy! :smirk:




eheheheh yeah i might up the post every now and then...

Guys u sure this is not scientific fact? because hey i've heard about not using aluminium trays so many times...


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Re: Aluminium [Re: cupevampe]
    #5608186 - 05/09/06 10:39 AM (18 years, 1 month ago)

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hey i've heard about not using aluminium trays so many times...




People say a lot of shit all the time around here, but that doesn't make it all fact.

All I know is that the myc. has eaten the alum. on me a couple of times. i'm pretty sure the myc. is absording something from it...Now as to whether or not it's making something toxic or harmful and whether or not it's in the myc. :shrug:...

I'd rather use something that doesn't seem as if it's being absorbed tho, :lol::

Plastic wrap should do just fine :thumbup:. It should hold the casing (which alum. does) and it shouldn't rust or be eaten :smirk:

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Re: Aluminium [Re: FooMan]
    #5608507 - 05/09/06 12:16 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

I wonder if it's as unhealthy as

screwing with your brain chemestry.

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Re: Aluminium [Re: alsnow469]
    #5608631 - 05/09/06 12:44 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

^^ good point, and funny that wasn't actually like the first comment to be made

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Re: Aluminium [Re: IGnosticAbhorI]
    #5608770 - 05/09/06 01:23 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

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All I know is that the myc. has eaten the alum. on me a couple of times. i'm pretty sure the myc. is absording something from it...Now as to whether or not it's making something toxic or harmful and whether or not it's in the myc.
-Gnostic



Do you have any pictures of the aluminum after it's been 'eaten'? I would think plastic would be easier to decompose than metal


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Re: Aluminium [Re: shroomballa]
    #5608912 - 05/09/06 02:05 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)




but seriously it took a long time to do this, and it was contaminated??!?


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Re: Aluminium [Re: shroomballa]
    #5608919 - 05/09/06 02:07 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

As far as scientific fact goes, Stamets has had mushrooms tested in a lab after using for mycoremediaton and found that heavy metals in the soil are taken up into the fruitbodies. That is probably as close to actual proof as we're going to get.

It seems to me that if the aluminum is being metabolized to the point of eating holes in the tray after just a couple of weeks, the possiblilty there is aluminum in the fruits should not be discounted. Aluminum in the body has been implicated in Alzhimers. I used to use the aluminum bread pans, but stopped when I learned the above.

I've seen trays rot worse than the one above after just one flush. I'd post pics but I've thrown them all away.
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Re: Aluminium [Re: RogerRabbit]
    #5609787 - 05/09/06 06:32 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

My take is I've never had trays eaten through like that even after going 7 or 8 flushes but I used heavy duty pans I guess although I have seen this with others that reuse their trays. I have seen with my trays that the metabolic by-products do corrode the trays, it isn't the myc actually eating it that would be silly LOL! Although what isn't known is whether the corroded heavy metal by-product is readily absorbed by the mycelium, something that can't be ruled out! Now what was I talking about again?


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Re: Aluminium [Re: RogerRabbit]
    #5630926 - 05/15/06 12:40 AM (18 years, 1 month ago)

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Aluminum in the body has been implicated in Alzhimers.
RR





Here is what the Alzheimer Society of Great Britain has to say about this:

"There is circumstantial evidence linking this metal with Alzheimer's disease but no causal relationship has yet been proved. As evidence for other causes continues to grow, a possible link with aluminium seems increasingly unlikely."


National Institute of Enviromental Health Services:
"Long-term exposure is easiest to estimate for drinking water exposures. Epidemiological studies attempting to link AD with exposures in drinking water have been inconclusive and contradictory. Thus, the significance of increased aluminum intake with regard to onset of AD has not been determined."


Keep in mind, that even if there is some aluminium in the mushrooms, compare the amounts you eat per year with other foods and beverages, and you will see that the amount is so small, it is very likely insigificatnt.

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    #5631167 - 05/15/06 02:12 AM (18 years, 1 month ago)

take a plastic dish washing tub. problem solved.


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Re: Aluminium [Re: mikeownow]
    #5632750 - 05/15/06 01:57 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

banana bread loaf pans. mmmm this causes you to buy more pans which causes you to make more banana bread to fill these pans when they aren't being used to grow mushrooms.


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Re: Aluminium [Re: skeletor]
    #5633922 - 05/15/06 05:31 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

i use plastic now. about a buck a piece from ace hardware....

22" x 11"  make great casing trays. :wink:


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