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Re: heart problems while stoned [Re: FungusMan]
#5607547 - 05/09/06 03:46 AM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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But do you have an anxiety disorder or do you have dysautonomia - which is a phsyiological condition caused by impaired norepinephrine reuptake? Are you dizzy or are you suffering from anxiety that is causing the fight/flight response?
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Re: heart problems while stoned [Re: Zen Peddler]
#5607554 - 05/09/06 03:54 AM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Oh I definitely think I have an anxiety disorder. But again, I don't know. My health history is fucked. I had to have radioactive iodine to kill my thyroids due to hyperthyroidism. 2 years later, and they still haven't regulated the amounts of TPH in my blood. I have allot of heart palps even if I'm not in a attack. They are trying to get me to take Zoloft, but going impotent isn't worth trading in my Xanax's lol. Same thing happened with Prozac.
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Re: heart problems while stoned [Re: missmush]
#5608893 - 05/09/06 01:57 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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missmush said: I have the exact same problem, I didn't eat shrooms however, it just kind of happened. I was an avid pot smoker but now every time i try and smoke weed my mind goes crazy. I feel as if I'm going to have a heart attack, I panic and start getting these tremors. Knowing that isn't a normal feeling I've quit altogether. This kind of disappoints me though because i loved the feeling i used to get when I was high. oh well.
Talk with your doctor, just list all those symptoms and he should give you something
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#5608961 - 05/09/06 02:20 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Re: heart problems while stoned [Re: soulcircus]
#5609832 - 05/09/06 06:51 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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This has happened to me as well. It first started during a very high dosage trip where i could feel my heart beating really hard and fast and then all of a sudden not feel anything anymore, of course this scared the living shit out of me and I was sure that I was going to die. After that i never touched such a high dose of shrooms but even in small trips i started to notice it, maybe it was in my head but it still bothered me.
Soon I began to notice the same thing when i smoked. When I would smoke it would put me into a mild trip and my heart would start to beat really hard and fast and i'd start to get nervous and then a second later the pounding in my chest would stop and i'd start to notice it a short time later. Its not like it stops beating (although occasionally i was almost sure that it skipped a beat) I believe that I've just become more aware of it. Especially when i'm trying to fall asleep while still high or after a trip I almost always get this feeling.
I've given up tripping for a while, its been almost a month and I think its gotten much better than it was. I still smoke about every day but it seems like the whole heart thing is slowly going away. In the meantime, i'm going to start trying to eat better and get a membership at a local healthclub so i can workout(i'm tired of being scrawny). Although I am planning a trip sometime soon, maybe next week after finals.
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Re: heart problems while stoned [Re: Ashford]
#5610100 - 05/09/06 07:42 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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missmush said: I have the exact same problem, I didn't eat shrooms however, it just kind of happened. I was an avid pot smoker but now every time i try and smoke weed my mind goes crazy. I feel as if I'm going to have a heart attack, I panic and start getting these tremors. Knowing that isn't a normal feeling I've quit altogether. This kind of disappoints me though because i loved the feeling i used to get when I was high. oh well.
Talk with your doctor, just list all those symptoms and he should give you something
I really dislike talking to my doctor, he never seems to really care what I'm telling him. So I've taken it upon myself to find something to help me, Ive started smoking Calea Zacatechichi, I found that it helps with my anxiety and doesn't make me as nervous, just leaves me with a pleasantly calm feeling, and you have some wonderful dreams. The taste however takes awhile to get use to
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Re: heart problems while stoned [Re: missmush]
#5610454 - 05/09/06 09:01 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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I dunno what the big fuss is. I used to smoke pot and I could feel that every single time. Your heart pumps really fast and powerfully.
I have spoken to many other pot smokers and the general consensus is that it is completely normal.
If you don't like it, don't smoke pot.
I will also add that it probably always happened and you only started noticeing it and worrying about it after you took the mushrooms.
Edited by oO_wombat_Oo (05/09/06 09:04 PM)
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Re: heart problems while stoned [Re: oO_wombat_Oo]
#5610969 - 05/09/06 11:24 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Its partly from stress and partly from the adrenaline of your paranoia,
Also being a pot head isn't the healthiest habit, but you hardly will have a heart attack, I've ingested over an 8th, it was rough and I was so high that I lost my total sense of feeling but pot is natural, as rough as it can be and it can be rough, you won't get a heart attack from it.
You probably need to cut back though, become more of light weight smoker.
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Re: heart problems while stoned [Re: soulcircus]
#5611496 - 05/10/06 03:34 AM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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actually that isnt correct- psilocybin releases amounts of norepinephrine and if someone had an enlarged heart that could result in tachycardia and fibrilation - death in other words  Unlikely - but possible if one had a heart condition already. Like ive said - its all about postural hypotension
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Re: heart problems while stoned [Re: Zen Peddler]
#5611531 - 05/10/06 04:01 AM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Do you know how much damage you have to do to yourself to get a heart attack, heart palpitations aren't a sign of having a heart attack, either is your heart beating fast, adrenaline makes your heart beat fast, such as when you run or when you get scared
Bud can stress you out though, the harmful chemicals from the smoke and not staying healthy can cause a panic attack, plus when you got a bad experience etched in your mind that doesn't help either.
Bud is notorious in making people paranoid, especially when you get too high or you smoke too much. The best thing to do is calm yourself down by laying down, slow your breathing and try to relax, being all freaked out compounds the agony, of course its not enjoyable but it doesn't help to focus on heart attacks and how hard your heart is beating
Of course this is bud I'm talking about, if your doing something then maybe I'd have a different opinion about it.
Edited by capliberty (05/10/06 04:33 AM)
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Re: heart problems while stoned [Re: capliberty]
#5611620 - 05/10/06 05:33 AM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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you won't get a heart attack from it.
I did. I got a heart attack from pot. When you have a subtle pre-existing condition pot can give you a heart attack. I also got several hundred instances of angina pectoris because of weed, but I was a fool to believe weed was "harmless".
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Re: heart problems while stoned [Re: Asante]
#5611693 - 05/10/06 06:50 AM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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What type of subtle pre-existing condition? I doubt your pre-existing condition was subtle if pot triggered this heart attack.
What actually occurred when you had this heart attack? Was this an actual heart attack or massive panic attack? If you give a description of what occurred I could tell you if this was an actual heart attack.
Heart attacks are characterized with heaviness to chest, like a ton of bricks weighing down on your chest, It also hits in waves, Its not your heart skipping beats or minor convulsions, also your blood pressure sky rockets and loss of feeling also occurs through out your body. Also you may have trouble breathing and the heaviness to the chest can stay constant for lengthy periods and may increase at certain times.
Do you know for sure that it was bud that caused this? If this is the case and you were just a regular person with average health before this occurred then I'm shocked that bud did this. If you had health complications, asma problems or a weak heart to begin with then maybe I could believe it but I wouldn't classify these as a subtle pre-existing conditions. Even people with asma can get away with smoking.
Your heart and your body can take some serious abuse before heart failure would be triggered, I've used and abused many drugs and I know that it depends on each individuals health but marijuana unless your a fool and ingest a huge quantity I doubt could send you into heart attack unless it made you extremely dehydrated or something which I guess could be possible. Or maybe your arteries and lungs got clogged up from heavy smoking which contributed to this heart attack. If this is the case I'm shocked, because I've smoked and gotten too high plenty of times but never any serious life threatening heart failure.
Now meth. coke, pills, heroin or anything related to these types of drugs I believe you. But pot or shrooms, thats a stretch for me to believe. Its probably like MDMA which there has been reported cases of people dying or going through serious trauma but its like 2% out of a 100.
I mean think about if people were getting heart attacks off this stuff then pot would classified up there with meth. and coke and all these hardcore drugs, this stuff wouldn't be given to cancer patients and wouldn't be partly legal in the state of Alaska and Canada. Marijuana crops would looked at as meth. labs or something. I know marijuana is not as nearly as harmful as pills, meth. or coke. or alcohol for that matter. It doesn't even have as strong of physical addictive properties as caffeine or cigarettes.
I know it can be unhealthy to be pothead but come on dude this shit isn't fucking crack.
Edited by capliberty (05/10/06 08:24 AM)
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Re: heart problems while stoned [Re: capliberty]
#5611976 - 05/10/06 09:23 AM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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What actually occurred when you had this heart attack? Was this an actual heart attack or massive panic attack? If you give a description of what occurred I could tell you if this was an actual heart attack.
I was rushed to the Intensive Care Unit, hastily intubated, hooked up to machines and tubes, nitroglycerin patched, blood drawn for troponin levels, which were elevated for more than 24 hours, and the subsequent night I kept bouncing towards the brink of death and back again. You tell me! Was this a heart attack or merely panic on my part?
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Heart attacks are characterized with heaviness to chest, like a ton of bricks weighing down on your chest, It also hits in waves
What impressed me most was the near-fainting dizzyness, cold sweat, gasping for breath and freezing up because every movement or talking made it worse. You just sit there, bracing, praying, begging God to make it go away so you can call 911.
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Do you know for sure that it was bud that caused this?
Yes. It also caused numerous angina pectoris attacks and at least two instances where I think I might just have had slightly smaller attacks.
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If you had health complications, asma problems or a weak heart to begin with then maybe I could believe it but I wouldn't classify these as a subtle pre-existing conditions.
Only weed gave me angina pectoris. Running for 10 miles didnt give me AP, but even small joints did that a lot of the time during the first hour after smoking. I'm not going into details but it is genetic, present from birth, and only flared up when I smoked or ate pot. The heart attack, ofcourse, changed all that. But no, if weed causes it its not subtle.
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Even people with asma can get away with smoking.
Perhaps people with "asma" can, but people with asthma often cant be around a wisp of smoke of any kind, and while it provides temporary relief (like does smoking datura) this is a pharmacologic effect masking the fact that the smoke irritates the lungs.
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Now meth. coke, pills, heroin or anything related to these types of drugs I believe you. But pot or shrooms, thats a stretch for me to believe.
Heroin would be OK for me, and opiates in fact are widely used on the heart ward because their effects tend to be beneficial to many kinds of heart trouble. And you can't possibly group pot with shrooms pharmacologically.
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Its probably like MDMA which there has been reported cases of people dying or going through serious trauma but its like 2% out of a 100.
Only one in a million dies because of MDMA and most of those are severe allergy cases.
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this stuff wouldn't be given to cancer patients
Mustard gas derivatives are given to cancer patients causing loss of hair and nails to fall out. That it's given to cancer patients is no criterion for safety, in fact almost anything goes when its cancer because of it often being terminal.
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Marijuana crops would looked at as meth.
Cannabis: Schedule 1 Methamphetamine: Schedule 2
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I know marijuana is not as nearly as harmful as pills, meth. or coke. or alcohol for that matter. It doesn't even have as strong of physical addictive properties as caffeine or cigarettes.
Cannabis is comparatively safe. That does not mean it IS in fact safe. The population is VERY diverse. Most people have several ailments they may or may not be aware of. For some of those people, like me, cannabis can be lethal.
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Edited by Asante (05/10/06 09:26 AM)
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Re: heart problems while stoned [Re: Asante]
#5612089 - 05/10/06 10:08 AM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Well sorry dude you are a special case I think though, for the general population I think pot is relatively safe, Its still strange to me how pot can do this to you,
I think though you might have to chill altogether or something on drugs if your body is that sensitive from a genetic deficiency, for your body to single out pot as a trigger to your heart condition is weird to me, Although I'm still unclear what actually happened to you in the ER. Total discription of chest, back or shoulder pains, would help, the dizziness fainting and chills is a sure symptom and how were your enzymes, how did it first hit you, did it feel like you were going to go unconsious or was it sharp pains I'm still unclear. But I guess who cares it was serious never the less.
Pot causing you to go to the emergency room bracing for life is some crazy shit, Yeah your pre-existing condition doesn't sound subtle, Glad you made it through though. I'm sure it was a shit your pants tough ass fight, so I hope you be careful from now on cause if I had that condition I'd probably end up accidentally killing myself.
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Re: heart problems while stoned [Re: capliberty]
#5612123 - 05/10/06 10:25 AM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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for the general population I think pot is relatively safe
You should change your perception of "the general population". All of us are chuck full of all sorts of abnormalities in our inner workings. And many of us have instances and drugs to which our bodies react strongly. (like people with bee allergy)
For the average person oral THC (you shouldnt smoke anything) is fairly safe, but to some of us it is not. And now comes the catch: there is absolutely no telling if you are going to be that person.
If you regularly get chest discomfort the writing is on the wall, but often seemingly perfectly healthy people react extremely adversely to such stimuli.
The weed scene is contaminated by the notion that it is harmless, a result of the naive 1960s when nothing was really known medically about it. For most people moderate use is without harm, but for othersit can be devastating, most notably people with pre-existing cardiovascular and lung ailments, which they may be blissfully unaware of.
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I'm sure it was a shit your pants tough ass fight, so I hope you be careful from now on
I'm quite intense, but yes, it was one hell of a fight. It was however the night that made a man out of me, the ordeal known as a rite of passage. If it wasnt so dangerous and didnt scar your heart muscle I could recommend it to almost anyone. There is nothing like a prolonged encounter with your own death to wake you up in life.
You won't go before your time, and when your time has come God will not be swayed. Your body will seep back into the soil, your soul takes to the skies and you'll reincarnate forever, into Infinity.
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Edited by Asante (05/10/06 10:29 AM)
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Re: heart problems while stoned [Re: Asante]
#5612151 - 05/10/06 10:37 AM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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your soul takes to the skies and you'll reincarnate forever, into Infinity.
Sounds like a mushroom thing
Hey intesity is good thing but internal failure isn't so no more rights of passage, but I know what your talking about,
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