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#5606103 - 05/08/06 06:39 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Ambition: most that I've talked to see it as a great virtue. Yet I'm not sure. It carries with it the hopes and dreams for tomorrow, constantly pushing you to seek that elusive joy that can never truly be found until you stop seeking. Certainly ambition can help motivate you to pursue social achievements and the like (which by the way, are completely transient, as is everything else), but can it bring true, unconditional peace and joy?
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Re: Ambition [Re: dblaney]
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weaken the ambition toughen the bones
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Re: Ambition [Re: dblaney]
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dblaney said: but can it bring true, unconditional peace and joy?
Isn't that sort of subjective? If a person chooses to be ambitious and lead a thorough life, all the power to them. The same person can choose to not be ambitious but be self accepting of who they are and lead just as happy of a life.
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Re: Ambition [Re: dblaney]
#5606133 - 05/08/06 06:48 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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You need ambition to get up in the morning. It comes down to what are your ambitions. Are they yours or someone elses? Are you an addict or can you let go without suffering. There is more to life.
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Just to clarify, you're saying that it's alright to have ambitions/goals, just so long as one isn't attached to them. For instance, if one aspires or has it as a goal to become a rich man, and instead fails and ends up a poor, haggard beggar on the street, one should not feel the least bit disappointed or unhappy? One should not suffer at all?
If that's what you're saying, then I think that would be nice, but I question if it's reasonable: if one places so much value on money that they would dedicate a life goal to getting lots of it, then one is probably very attached to money. I don't see how one can be non-attached, yet be ambitious and seek it out, they seem like conflicting view points.
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Re: Ambition [Re: dblaney]
#5606179 - 05/08/06 07:00 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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It's a challenge.
Maybe only with age does one begin the job of detachment. When young and energy is high it doesn't make sense to be detached. You feel invulnerable. You lust and want everything. Take a look around at all the happy fulfilled ambitious people. Look hard and long. You can answer this for yourself. Anything can be a trap.
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Re: Ambition [Re: DoctorJ]
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Ambition is very much valued these days. It is also the source of everything that pains people in life. Why do people steal, lie, kill, fight etc.? They want something, they plan to get it.
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the source of everything that pains people in life.
That seems like a broad generalization. Ambition does not cause pain. Ambition encourages us to focus, increases our motivation, keeps us on task when things get difficult, and clarifies our decision-making process when options are in conflict with our goals.
What causes pain is our desperate attachment to negative reactions. Rather than taking a short time to feel, choose a response/action, then moving on from our perceived failures, we decide to indulge in overblown, knee-jerk, emotional reactions. We tell ourselves that our life is ruined, that we are stupid, that we never get anything right. We wallow in our created, prolonged misery.
This is the source of emotional illness.
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Re: Ambition [Re: Veritas]
#5606602 - 05/08/06 09:00 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Veritas nails it. 
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Ta-da!
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My, my, folks. What kind of person would really hate ambition, or see it as a vice rather than a virtue, of all things? It isn't too hard to observe how far mankind has come because of the individuals that have risked it all, all from the fundamental drive of ambition.
And of course, as Syle pointed out, an individual's happiness is subjective in various respects. There are people who simply just don't want to seek ambitious goals of prosperity or wealth. I've known a lady or two that were totally satisfied being housewives; they were living out their dreams - that is all they wanted. Conversely, I've known of other ladies who were total opposites; they were happy in the hustling, bustling, high-interactive corporate environment, with major decisions, long hours but high-payoffs. These ladies would go insane in the housewive's situations, and vice versa.
If anyone thinks ambition is a vice, go tell that to Carly Fiorina, CEO of Hewlett Packard, or Warren Buffet, America's greatest investor of all time, or even Fucknuckle, the P&S's resident kooky-millionaire and retired business owner, or FireworksGod, Retail Management Extraordinaire. None of these people wouldn't be where they are if it weren't for their own ambition, determination and passion for life and all the fruits it offers. Ambition is at the heart of their intellectual freedom; and that is one of the most precious things a human being can ever have.
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I'm actually in the midst of reconsidering my long-term career goals... it might just become "store manager or bust". 
Obviously, there is nothing inherently wrong with ambition. The fact that one strives to better themselves is certainly beneficial to oneself and one's environment, as the act proliferates constant change. Someone with ambition will take on more experience, and will thus be more capable of developing a greater understanding of reality, which, in turn, more enables them to navigate reality.
Being ambitious empowers us. Can it bring true, pure, unconditional love and peace? Most indubiantly. How else could one transform their mind and overcome their mental addictions that obstruct such a higher state of mind if they do not strive for it? Mental change does not follow the path of least resistance, my friend. 
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Re: Ambition [Re: Veritas]
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the source of everything that pains people in life.
That seems like a broad generalization. Ambition does not cause pain. Ambition encourages us to focus, increases our motivation, keeps us on task when things get difficult, and clarifies our decision-making process when options are in conflict with our goals.
What causes pain is our desperate attachment to negative reactions. Rather than taking a short time to feel, choose a response/action, then moving on from our perceived failures, we decide to indulge in overblown, knee-jerk, emotional reactions. We tell ourselves that our life is ruined, that we are stupid, that we never get anything right. We wallow in our created, prolonged misery.
This is the source of emotional illness.
so,your idea is, cheat, kill, steal, and then blame them for minding it?
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SkorpivoMusterion said: My, my, folks. What kind of person would really hate ambition, or see it as a vice rather than a virtue, of all things? It isn't too hard to observe how far mankind has come because of the individuals that have risked it all, all from the fundamental drive of ambition.
And of course, as Syle pointed out, an individual's happiness is subjective in various respects. There are people who simply just don't want to seek ambitious goals of prosperity or wealth. I've known a lady or two that were totally satisfied being housewives; they were living out their dreams - that is all they wanted. Conversely, I've known of other ladies who were total opposites; they were happy in the hustling, bustling, high-interactive corporate environment, with major decisions, long hours but high-payoffs. These ladies would go insane in the housewive's situations, and vice versa.
If anyone thinks ambition is a vice, go tell that to Carly Fiorina, CEO of Hewlett Packard, or Warren Buffet, America's greatest investor of all time, or even Fucknuckle, the P&S's resident kooky-millionaire and retired business owner, or FireworksGod, Retail Management Extraordinaire. None of these people wouldn't be where they are if it weren't for their own ambition, determination and passion for life and all the fruits it offers. Ambition is at the heart of their intellectual freedom; and that is one of the most precious things a human being can ever have.
One who lives for a better future, lives in it today.
oh,and the CEO of HP is a sucessfull person? He is just rich and influential, on the planet of retards. I bet I have more fun during the day than him.
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Re: Ambition [Re: dblaney]
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Ambition makes you look pretty ugly
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Too many people here are equating ambition with totally material goals. Fireworks has pointed out that there is much more to it and many roads for your ambition to travel. Materialism and ambition are two seperate issues.
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the source of everything that pains people in life.
So any ambition is the source of everything that pains people in life?
I don't think so.
My ambition is to be non-violent and peacefull. What a pain.
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Re: Ambition [Re: mr_kite]
#5607903 - 05/09/06 09:11 AM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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mr_kite said: Ambition makes you look pretty ugly
And laziness that turns into slothlike behavior looks like what? 
Ambition is just a driving force which can come from even in-spiration (being in-spirt-action)
Just like we have the knowing of being in good spirits and bad spirits, some ambitious efforts are ugly and some are beautiful.
Just like some lazy people who let themselves and surroundings slide can lead to unsightliness, there are beautiful lazy images of relaxing on a hammock at sunset.
The use of energy or not is not what is beautiful or ugly in itself. Its how use or non use is being applied.
It's subjective too.
I can't even imagine a planet such as filled with 100% unambitious human beings. We would've died out long ago.
Mother Theresa is ambitious. Ghandi was ambitious. Etc. If it wasn't for ambitious people, you wouldn't have this message board to be "saying ambition is ugly" on.
I was telling my husband about this thread and he went into a funny stoner voice and said, "Ambition is like, scary dude." 
Then he said, tell them if it wasn't for ambition, nobody would have invented the water pipe.
To the poster, just keep working on detachment. You can be ambitious and accomplish much while remaining detached. Perhaps its easier for ambitious types to not get so attached and into withholding mode in the first place because they know, they can just keep accomplishing and re-creating anything lost anyway. Its about being in creative energy itself, not what comes of it.
I love the feeling of being at one with the creative force by being in creative energy while inspired by good spirits.
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so,your idea is, cheat, kill, steal, and then blame them for minding it?
You are discussing a lack of ethics and compassion, not the hallmarks of ambition. When someone is without conscience, they are sociopathic, not ambitious.
And no, my philosophy does NOT include blaming others for minding unethical actions, or not minding if others are unethical with me.
It DOES include taking responsibility for prolonging the emotional impact of said actions, however. If I choose to hold a grudge, paint myself as a perennial victim, mistrust everyone I come in contact with, relive the events again and again in my mind, then I am responsible for the lasting effect it has on me.
While I do not believe in religious morality, and all the Heaven and Hell judgment contained therein, I do consider how I would prefer to be treated by others, and choose my actions accordingly. I live this way not to "earn" my rewards in Heaven, or escape the wrath of God, but because I am more satisfied with my actions. What others think of my actions is their business. If they dislike the way I treat them, they are free to choose not to associate with me.
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just wait till you see my point of view
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oh,and the CEO of HP is a sucessfull person? He is just rich and influential, on the planet of retards. I bet I have more fun during the day than him.
Carly Fiorina isn't a man:

And "fun", you say? What is "fun"? Totally subjective. Fun is whatever One takes pleasure in doing. But in my world, pleasure is not the standard of morality nor success - although, it can be the goal of it.
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Re: Ambition [Re: dblaney]
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I think it really depends on what your ambitions are, and what you're willing to do to achieve it. If you're willing to exploit and step over other people to achieve your ambitions, then I would say you're a little too ambitious.
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SkorpivoMusterion said: oh,and the CEO of HP is a sucessfull person? He is just rich and influential, on the planet of retards. I bet I have more fun during the day than him.
Carly Fiorina isn't a man:

And "fun", you say? What is "fun"? Totally subjective. Fun is whatever One takes pleasure in doing. But in my world, pleasure is not the standard of morality nor success - although, it can be the goal of it.
But still, where is value in multiplying money and collecting it for yourself? She is nothing but another suit.
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OldWoodSpecter said: But still, where is value in multiplying money and collecting it for yourself? She is nothing but another suit.
It depends on how you make your money. She is head of a corporation that makes computers and computer accessories that make people's lives easier. They provide a service for the money.
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OldWoodSpecter said: But still, where is value in multiplying money and collecting it for yourself? She is nothing but another suit.
It depends on how you make your money. She is head of a corporation that makes computers and computer accessories that make people's lives easier. They provide a service for the money.
That's just an illusion. What they sell is both the product and the need for the product. You need friends, water, food, and some sunshine. The rest is amusement
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her ambition is to make more $ at the expense of the retail brick and mortar shopping american john q public. so they can release a quarter;y profit report better than was expected so the stock price goes up.
thats cool if thats your trip, go for it. dont portary this lady as some kind of amazing person, any idiot in a position of power can squeeze more dollars out of peoples pockets.
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Re: Ambition [Re: dblaney]
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I will cross the border and ask a honest struggling question:
What are ambitions in comparison to desires ?
If you change the word ambitions with desires in every post here, doesn't it make equal sense ?
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Re: Ambition [Re: fresh313]
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fresh313 said: her ambition is to make more $ at the expense of the retail brick and mortar shopping american john q public. so they can release a quarter;y profit report better than was expected so the stock price goes up.
thats cool if thats your trip, go for it. dont portary this lady as some kind of amazing person, any idiot in a position of power can squeeze more dollars out of peoples pockets.
I'm not doing that, so don't quote me
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BlueCoyote said: I will cross the border and ask a honest struggling question:
What are ambitions in comparison to desires ?
If you change the word ambitions with desires in every post here, doesn't it make equal sense ?
Ambition is a driving force to realise desires. So it's not the same thing. The strenght of the ambition is a measure of how many obstacles are you ready to beat to fullfill your desire. Sometimes needs of other people are obstacles too
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OldWoodSpecter said: But still, where is value in multiplying money and collecting it for yourself? She is nothing but another suit.
It depends on how you make your money. She is head of a corporation that makes computers and computer accessories that make people's lives easier. They provide a service for the money.
That's just an illusion. What they sell is both the product and the need for the product. You need friends, water, food, and some sunshine. The rest is amusement
So you believe that people should have nothing more than what is necessary to keep them alive? Luxury items are bad?
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Are desires the 'motives' for ambition then, or am I missing the point ? Are desires only a lesser factor for our ambition ? Or should we leave desires out of the game here ? Can there be ambition without desire ?
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"I'm not doing that, so don't quote me"
didnt qoute u dog.
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Re: Ambition [Re: fresh313]
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Your reply was to Old Wood rather than Skorpivo. Your comments were directed to Skorpivo.
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Ambition1 a : an ardent desire for rank, fame, or power b : desire to achieve a particular end 2 : the object of ambition 3 : a desire for activity or exertion
By definition, there cannot be ambition without desire. Perhaps ambition could also be called "motivated desire."
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Re: Ambition [Re: Veritas]
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So, you say, it is stronger than desire and is 'driven' by it ? So, can it be more usefull to relay on the definition of desire ? Desires are strongly connected to 'hedonism' too, aren't they ? I can relay on the three-folding of hedonism. Is that true for desire too ? I see there a strong connection to ambition.
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Well, in Epicurean Hedonism, as I recently posted, it is seen as important to distinguish between different types of desires, and to eliminate or reduce those which are "vain."
The underlying ambition of Hedonists would be for happiness. Any other desires which conflict with this happiness would be lesser, and the ambition would then be to eliminating these internal hindrances to happiness.
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BlueCoyote said: Are desires the 'motives' for ambition then, or am I missing the point ? Are desires only a lesser factor for our ambition ? Or should we leave desires out of the game here ? Can there be ambition without desire ?
of course, first comes a desire, then an ambition out of it, or not.
We all have desires for which we don't have ambitions..
There can not be ambition without desire, because an activity which is for the good of something other than your desire is not an ambition.
Sure, wanting benefit for someone else is also a form of a desire, but that empathy, that something compleatly different.
Ambition comes from fighting for the good of yourself. Ambition is when you have a clear goal what you want in your life for yourself, and how to get it.
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You are stretching the definition of the term to fit your purposes. What you are talking about is not ambition, but self-interest.
Self-interest, when combined with compassion and personal ethics, is a powerful force for positive change. However, this goes far beyond the meaning of "ambition."
Empathy is the ability to feel what someone else feels, not the desire to benefit them. Ambition and empathy are not only fully compatible, but IMO essential partners.
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BlueCoyote said: So, you say, it is stronger than desire and is 'driven' by it ? So, can it be more usefull to relay on the definition of desire ? Desires are strongly connected to 'hedonism' too, aren't they ? I can relay on the three-folding of hedonism. Is that true for desire too ? I see there a strong connection to ambition.
Hedonism is living for endulgement of your desires, but everyone has desires, it's just how we deal with them
There is some silly commercial here on TV that goes like this: A guy is sitting on a couch and watching TV, then a CG green monster comes into his room, he is terrified and runs to the fridge, then takes a chockolate bar and eats it. And then the punch line goes something like: Beat your monstruous hunger for something sweet, and take..whatever they were advertising
That's pretty much a very silly idea. You beat hunger by eating?? If that means to beat hunger, then what is to lose?
That's pretty much the idea behind hedonism, be the vitor of your desires by being a slave to them.
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You might want to do some reading about Hedonism before you attempt to summarize the philosophy. Being a slave to one's desires is anti-Hedonist.
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Re: Ambition [Re: Veritas]
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Re: Ambition [Re: Veritas]
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That's why I hinted at. I can't see intentional desires for oneselfs 'unhappiness', besides mental illness , but I can see unambitious need. I simply make the distinction between wishes and needs, both leading to wants and mainly to desires for the unmeditated mind. Looking back, desires based on wishes maybe vain, if they get out of context of nature (harm oneself or others) and on the other hand desires based on needs, seem quite justified as they always remain in context of nature, even one doesn't 'need' desires to feed his/her needs. These can be fed unambitious for the meditated mind, because they are unavoidable in the context of health. But I see I enter the rat maze here as the borders diffuse, the more I think about it. I see a shortcut to the conclusion, that 'needs' may stay unambitious and the 'desires' ambitious ? I don't know what to think, if one makes his/her needs ambitious or desirable. Some seem to have made this connection  That seems at least more 'natural' than to make ones wishes this way. I still see contradictions here. I have to contemplate about that and stop here before I loose the sight of the forest to the trees 
So it seems, at least by definition, that ambitions are based on the same priciples like desires, there.
Edited by BlueCoyote (05/09/06 04:08 PM)
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Thanks for the humor lovely sporetacus.
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There is some silly commercial here on TV that goes like this: A guy is sitting on a couch and watching TV, then a CG green monster comes into his room, he is terrified and runs to the fridge, then takes a chockolate bar and eats it. And then the punch line goes something like: Beat your monstruous hunger for something sweet, and take..whatever they were advertising hehe, that brings fear into the game. For me it is too much right now to handle these 4 concepts (ambition, desire, hedonism and fear). They all seem interrelated. Fear of ones needs, leading to ambition ? Desire out of fear ?
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Re: Ambition [Re: Veritas]
#5609529 - 05/09/06 05:03 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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You seem to talk about "hedonism" as if it were a strictly defined philosophical system rather than the broad and basic valuation I know it as.
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Re: Ambition [Re: dblaney]
#5609590 - 05/09/06 05:24 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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constantly pushing you to seek that elusive joy that can never truly be found until you stop seeking.
For me, seeking for happiness, ironically, has always resulted in depression. Happiness is a teasing woman. Ignore her until she's deprived of attention and she will suddenly appear by your side. I derive most of my happiness from: Doing things, working towards goals, feeling worthwhile, struggling against challenges, etc. All of these actions are packaged with suffering and failures, but I do not categorize them as being wrong or unjust. Striving can be a joyful experience in itself, regardless of eventual failure. And without suffering, the feeling of happiness would become stale and unpalatable.
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The world's first Ascentic!
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Re: Ambition [Re: fresh313]
#5609617 - 05/09/06 05:32 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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OldWoodSpecter said: But still, where is value in multiplying money and collecting it for yourself? She is nothing but another suit.
Where is the value in posting on the Shroomery? Value is self-defined. You do not know the woman, nor her experience of life. You have no frame of reference with which to judge, and any judgement you create is utterly baseless.
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fresh313 said: thats cool if thats your trip, go for it. dont portary this lady as some kind of amazing person, any idiot in a position of power can squeeze more dollars out of peoples pockets.
Riiight. 
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those eyes rolling really just blow me away with intelligence.
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OldWoodSpecter said: But still, where is value in multiplying money and collecting it for yourself? She is nothing but another suit.
Where is the value in posting on the Shroomery? Value is self-defined. You do not know the woman, nor her experience of life. You have no frame of reference with which to judge, and any judgement you create is utterly baseless.
Comming to shroomery is a form of masturbation. I think a lot of people come here mostly because they get a boner when they hear themselfs being all wise and enlightened.
I come here because I want to be challanged in discussion, I have this energy that I don't have anywhere to spend, so I want to argue (fight) with someone.
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MushmanTheManic said: constantly pushing you to seek that elusive joy that can never truly be found until you stop seeking.
For me, seeking for happiness, ironically, has always resulted in depression. Happiness is a teasing woman. Ignore her until she's deprived of attention and she will suddenly appear by your side. I derive most of my happiness from: Doing things, working towards goals, feeling worthwhile, struggling against challenges, etc. All of these actions are packaged with suffering and failures, but I do not categorize them as being wrong or unjust. Striving can be a joyful experience in itself, regardless of eventual failure. And without suffering, the feeling of happiness would become stale and unpalatable.
I enjoy climbing! Even if that means climbing out of a valley.
This is a powerful post. Thanks for sharing your experience.
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Re: Ambition [Re: fresh313]
#5610709 - 05/09/06 10:15 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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fresh313 said: those eyes rolling really just blow me away with intelligence.
I was personally just amazed with the intelligence in the statement that any idiot could manage a corporation, myself. 
Oh, fucking shit, I simply won't get over emoticon usage, uh oh, there it is again! 
Maybe if people would stop saying stupid shit, there would be no sarcastic rolling of eyes? 
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MushmanTheManic said: You seem to talk about "hedonism" as if it were a strictly defined philosophical system rather than the broad and basic valuation I know it as.
Yes, my response was inaccurate. I should have said "Epicurean Hedonism," which is more specific than just "Hedonism."
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