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Sporetacus
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Re: Ambition [Re: Veritas]
#5609154 - 05/09/06 03:06 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Hedonist ~ one who gives good Hed.
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BlueCoyote
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Re: Ambition [Re: Veritas]
#5609285 - 05/09/06 03:47 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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That's why I hinted at. I can't see intentional desires for oneselfs 'unhappiness', besides mental illness , but I can see unambitious need. I simply make the distinction between wishes and needs, both leading to wants and mainly to desires for the unmeditated mind. Looking back, desires based on wishes maybe vain, if they get out of context of nature (harm oneself or others) and on the other hand desires based on needs, seem quite justified as they always remain in context of nature, even one doesn't 'need' desires to feed his/her needs. These can be fed unambitious for the meditated mind, because they are unavoidable in the context of health. But I see I enter the rat maze here as the borders diffuse, the more I think about it. I see a shortcut to the conclusion, that 'needs' may stay unambitious and the 'desires' ambitious ? I don't know what to think, if one makes his/her needs ambitious or desirable. Some seem to have made this connection  That seems at least more 'natural' than to make ones wishes this way. I still see contradictions here. I have to contemplate about that and stop here before I loose the sight of the forest to the trees 
So it seems, at least by definition, that ambitions are based on the same priciples like desires, there.
Edited by BlueCoyote (05/09/06 04:08 PM)
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Thanks for the humor lovely sporetacus.
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There is some silly commercial here on TV that goes like this: A guy is sitting on a couch and watching TV, then a CG green monster comes into his room, he is terrified and runs to the fridge, then takes a chockolate bar and eats it. And then the punch line goes something like: Beat your monstruous hunger for something sweet, and take..whatever they were advertising hehe, that brings fear into the game. For me it is too much right now to handle these 4 concepts (ambition, desire, hedonism and fear). They all seem interrelated. Fear of ones needs, leading to ambition ? Desire out of fear ?
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MushmanTheManic
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Re: Ambition [Re: Veritas]
#5609529 - 05/09/06 05:03 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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You seem to talk about "hedonism" as if it were a strictly defined philosophical system rather than the broad and basic valuation I know it as.
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Re: Ambition [Re: dblaney]
#5609590 - 05/09/06 05:24 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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constantly pushing you to seek that elusive joy that can never truly be found until you stop seeking.
For me, seeking for happiness, ironically, has always resulted in depression. Happiness is a teasing woman. Ignore her until she's deprived of attention and she will suddenly appear by your side. I derive most of my happiness from: Doing things, working towards goals, feeling worthwhile, struggling against challenges, etc. All of these actions are packaged with suffering and failures, but I do not categorize them as being wrong or unjust. Striving can be a joyful experience in itself, regardless of eventual failure. And without suffering, the feeling of happiness would become stale and unpalatable.
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Re: Ambition [Re: fresh313]
#5609617 - 05/09/06 05:32 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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OldWoodSpecter said: But still, where is value in multiplying money and collecting it for yourself? She is nothing but another suit.
Where is the value in posting on the Shroomery? Value is self-defined. You do not know the woman, nor her experience of life. You have no frame of reference with which to judge, and any judgement you create is utterly baseless.
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fresh313 said: thats cool if thats your trip, go for it. dont portary this lady as some kind of amazing person, any idiot in a position of power can squeeze more dollars out of peoples pockets.
Riiight. 
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those eyes rolling really just blow me away with intelligence.
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fireworks_god said:
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OldWoodSpecter said: But still, where is value in multiplying money and collecting it for yourself? She is nothing but another suit.
Where is the value in posting on the Shroomery? Value is self-defined. You do not know the woman, nor her experience of life. You have no frame of reference with which to judge, and any judgement you create is utterly baseless.
Comming to shroomery is a form of masturbation. I think a lot of people come here mostly because they get a boner when they hear themselfs being all wise and enlightened.
I come here because I want to be challanged in discussion, I have this energy that I don't have anywhere to spend, so I want to argue (fight) with someone.
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MushmanTheManic said: constantly pushing you to seek that elusive joy that can never truly be found until you stop seeking.
For me, seeking for happiness, ironically, has always resulted in depression. Happiness is a teasing woman. Ignore her until she's deprived of attention and she will suddenly appear by your side. I derive most of my happiness from: Doing things, working towards goals, feeling worthwhile, struggling against challenges, etc. All of these actions are packaged with suffering and failures, but I do not categorize them as being wrong or unjust. Striving can be a joyful experience in itself, regardless of eventual failure. And without suffering, the feeling of happiness would become stale and unpalatable.
I enjoy climbing! Even if that means climbing out of a valley.
This is a powerful post. Thanks for sharing your experience.
-------------------- "Don't believe everything you think". -Anom. " All that lives was born to die"-Anom. With much wisdom comes much sorrow, The more knowledge, the more grief. Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC
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Re: Ambition [Re: fresh313]
#5610709 - 05/09/06 10:15 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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fresh313 said: those eyes rolling really just blow me away with intelligence.
I was personally just amazed with the intelligence in the statement that any idiot could manage a corporation, myself. 
Oh, fucking shit, I simply won't get over emoticon usage, uh oh, there it is again! 
Maybe if people would stop saying stupid shit, there would be no sarcastic rolling of eyes? 
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Veritas

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MushmanTheManic said: You seem to talk about "hedonism" as if it were a strictly defined philosophical system rather than the broad and basic valuation I know it as.
Yes, my response was inaccurate. I should have said "Epicurean Hedonism," which is more specific than just "Hedonism."
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