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P. cyanescens/Unidentified sp.
    #560547 - 02/23/02 12:29 PM (15 years, 7 months ago)

here's an image from last year...

on top P. cyanescens. on bottom an unidentified Psilocybe species, either large cyanofibrillosa or maybe something new...




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Re: P. cyanescens/Unidentified sp. [Re: mikeofyle]
    #560568 - 02/23/02 01:09 PM (15 years, 7 months ago)

Nice pic myco.  That reminds me, I should send out the other 2 prints I have of the ones I found this fall.  I think they're the same as the ones in your pic.  Have you done a bioassay yet? :smile:  I still have mine in the freezer, heh.

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Re: P. cyanescens/Unidentified sp. [Re: spores]
    #560598 - 02/23/02 01:43 PM (15 years, 7 months ago)

hey DethHed,
you were the one who found something similar in seattle, correct? pre picked and left in a pile.

i have done a bioassay. both with fresh and dried specimens. potency seems less than but still comparable to P. cyanescens. stronger than cyanofibrillosa is said to be, particularly in a dried state.

i'd like to hear more about the ones you found if you want to PM me or something.

and not to be anal but it's mikeofyle, not to be confused with mycofile, mycophyl or any of the other spellings used by other members. guess i should have gotten a little more creative with my username.

here's another comparison shot...





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Re: P. cyanescens/Unidentified sp. [Re: mikeofyle]
    #560643 - 02/23/02 02:46 PM (15 years, 7 months ago)

Anyone have a print of those cyanofribrillosa? I would be willing to trade but someone just sendng me one would be best tho. If i had a spore print i would pop em onto agar and have them fruiting in my alder beds come fall, so if i get a spore print you would be helping those beauties spread to new parts of the puget sound ehh. WOOT!


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Re: P. cyanescens/Unidentified sp. [Re: cardboard]
    #560696 - 02/23/02 03:57 PM (15 years, 7 months ago)

Yeah mikeofyle :smile: , I found some of those too this fall.  Unfortunately the pics didn't turn out.  They were growing in the same kind of habitat that I find cyans in.  I've been keeping an eye on the patch, but they never put out another flush after that first one. Maybe this fall :smile: .  Mine seemed to blue a lot more than the ones in your pics when they were cut, moreso than cyans, that's why I was wondering about the potency.  They were also significantly larger than an average cyan.

Cardboard:  I have 2 prints left, you can have one if ya want it.  Just PM me with an addie to send it to and I'll try to get it off early next week. 

DH


Edited by DethHed (02/23/02 04:01 PM)


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Re: P. cyanescens/Unidentified sp. [Re: spores]
    #560750 - 02/23/02 05:11 PM (15 years, 7 months ago)

DethHed, these also grow in the same habitat as P. cyanescens and are generally larger. not larger than some of the monster cyans i have seen but larger on average. avg. cap 3.5cm up to 7cm.
the cyans pictured above are also robust specimens.
as far as the blueing, these pics were taken minutes after picking and the mushrooms were handled carefully. they don't blue as strongly as cyans but have a strong blueing reaction just the same, particularly after freezing weather sets in.
whatever they are, they're here to stay.


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Re: P. cyanescens/Unidentified sp. [Re: mikeofyle]
    #560908 - 02/23/02 08:43 PM (15 years, 7 months ago)

Cyanofibrillosa from Stamets:
1.4-3.5cm broad cap - conic to convex to broadly convex - plane with age. Deep chestnut brown
Adnate gill attachment - slightly subdecurrent with age.
30-70mm stem by 2-4mm thick, straight to flexous.
Stamets desribes it as weakly to mildly active, but here the clincher - ALTHOUGH THIS SPECIES HAS A STRONG BLUING REACTION, DUE TO ITS HIGH PSILOCIN CONTENT, IT LOSES MUCH OF ITS POTENCY FROM HANDLING AND IN DRYING.
hope that helps you guys!!


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Re: P. cyanescens/Unidentified sp. [Re: mikeofyle]
    #561348 - 02/24/02 09:02 AM (15 years, 7 months ago)

MJShroomer rates the dose at 1 large or from 2-3 small specimens. He also adds that this mushroom loses 70% of its potency in drying.
I haven't been lucky enough to find these, but I'd agree that its potency is about the same as Ps. cyanescens.
Actually, last fall I think I did find 1 single specimen myself, but didn't pick it, because I was too busy picking the Ps. cyanescens and didn't want to possibly contaminate my bag with something I wasn't sure of.
Stay cool!-Levi7.


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Re: P. cyanescens/Unidentified sp. [Re: Levi7]
    #561449 - 02/24/02 12:42 PM (15 years, 7 months ago)

does anyone know if MJ is around? i'd love to hear what he has to say about this.

seems like nobody has experience with cyanofibrillosa.

so, am i wrong?


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Re: P. cyanescens/Unidentified sp. [Re: mikeofyle]
    #561479 - 02/24/02 01:25 PM (15 years, 7 months ago)

Those appear to be Psilocybe cyanofibrillosa. They do lose some potency in drying but it is the Azurescens which lose potency over a long period of time and P. baeocystis loses about 70% of its pootency after picking.

Nice but usually they grow in colonies or small groups of shrooms for P. cyanofibrillosa. I seen some as big as 2 inch cubensis before.

mj

cool score.

The cyanofibrillosa caps are always round in diameter 3with very little upturning of the cap like the P. cyanescens.

mj


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Re: P. cyanescens/Unidentified sp. [Re: mjshroomer]
    #561943 - 02/24/02 11:01 PM (15 years, 7 months ago)

thanks for the response mj. these grow in groups of many. cyanofibrillosa has been my only guess for a couple of years now. i have to admit i've been hoping for a new species.

why do they seem so rare? they appear to be as aggressive and hardy as P. cyanescens.


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