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Invisiblemoog
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Do not believe...
    #5605003 - 05/08/06 01:19 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

...and do not not believe.

A man says, "I believe this." Another man says, "I do not believe this." There is no difference between the two, for they are both relying on beliefs.

Rather than believe, know, or do not know.


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OfflineBasilides
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Re: Do not believe... [Re: moog]
    #5605011 - 05/08/06 01:21 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Well, at the end of the day it's a matter of either knowing or not knowing.

Nice post.


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Invisiblemoog
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Re: Do not believe... [Re: Basilides]
    #5605018 - 05/08/06 01:24 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

It takes a lot of courage to say "i don't know"...


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Re: Do not believe... [Re: moog]
    #5605021 - 05/08/06 01:25 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

I believe in nothing. And you're right, experiential knowledge is great!

A man says, "I believe this." Another man says, "I do not believe this." There is no difference between the two, for they are both relying on beliefs.

I find this is a point that is particularly difficult to convey to some atheists. They think that theism is a belief but that atheism is somehow excluded from being a belief. One is the belief that something exists, one is the belief that something does not exist.


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Making the noise "penicillin" is no substitute for actually taking penicillin.

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Re: Do not believe... [Re: moog]
    #5605028 - 05/08/06 01:27 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Quote:

moog said:
...and do not not believe.

A man says, "I believe this." Another man says, "I do not believe this." There is no difference between the two, for they are both relying on beliefs.

Rather than believe, know, or do not know.



Is this what you believe?


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Invisiblemoog
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Re: Do not believe... [Re: Silversoul]
    #5605047 - 05/08/06 01:34 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

no....know? :confused:


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Re: Do not believe... [Re: moog]
    #5605109 - 05/08/06 01:59 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

There is no difference between the two, for they are both relying on beliefs.

How does disbelief equal belief?
If you were to say: "I believe X exists" and "I believe X doesn't exist" were both beliefs, then I would agree wholeheartedly.

Belief: Mental acceptance of and conviction in the truth, actuality, or validity of something
Disbelief: Doubt about the truth of something


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Re: Do not believe... [Re: moog]
    #5605212 - 05/08/06 02:36 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Quote:

moog said:
...and do not not believe.

A man says, "I believe this." Another man says, "I do not believe this." There is no difference between the two, for they are both relying on beliefs.

Rather than believe, know, or do not know.




Belief (one way or another) is the only thing a man really has, because knowledge is an illusion.
To know something means to believe with little doubt

but I agree with you that believing and not believing are the same thing, even though those who do not believe pretend they are more logical


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Re: Do not believe... [Re: OldWoodSpecter]
    #5605327 - 05/08/06 03:07 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)



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Re: Do not believe... [Re: moog]
    #5605571 - 05/08/06 04:17 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Cannot spell believe, without a lie! :P


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Re: Do not believe... [Re: SneezingPenis]
    #5605917 - 05/08/06 05:49 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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psilocyberin said:





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"Have you found the beginning, then, that you are looking for the end? You see, the end will be where the beginning is. Congratulations to the one who stands at the beginning: that one will know the end and will not taste death."


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Re: Do not believe... [Re: moog]
    #5627394 - 05/14/06 02:45 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

I believe that I know that you are right.


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Re: Do not believe... [Re: gregorio]
    #5627631 - 05/14/06 08:01 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Or do I know that I believe that you are right?


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