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Great Smoky Mountain - Cyanescens - Deadly Galerina
    #5604720 - 05/08/06 11:53 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

No pictures for two reasons, 1 no camera, 2 I feel after researching this it is important for others to do own research, and to understand that pictures are not the end all be all.

I found 6 of what after a good deal of research I believe is 1 of 3 lookalikes for the wonderful Psilocybe Cyanescens. First I must say that the key to Cyanescens is the word Cyan. That is the first sign you actually have a Cyanescens is if it turns Cyan when bruised, that is blue-green bruising, do not trust dark or black bruising. The Galerina if eaten can, and will kill you. I found these 6 shrooms that look so much like the cyan's, however and here is the key, the devil is in the details. The stems were not white, no bruising, and spore prints are from list brown to rusty brown. Mind you two of 4 of the spore prints are very faint. It just recently rained, I am not sure if this has anything to do with the not bruising, or the feint spore prints. The Shrooms look strikingly similar to cyanescens, however I must stress that you look up all deadly lookalikes, several times, and
understand what spore prints are and how to use them, it took all night 6 hours to get any kind of spore print from these very wet samples. It is sad, and also very neat, because I have saved my life, and learned something very valuable. I hope that if any young, or older people are out there and just getting into this they show some respect for these powerful organisms, they can make you have a really good time, or they can kill you, and rob you of the rest of your life, and others of your company. Death lasts, it isn't a temporary solution.
all in all I am even more intrigued by fungus, and the Great Smokys were wonderful, wife probably let me spend like 15 minutes looking for these things. Laurel falls is not a easy hike if you are out of shape.


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Re: Great Smoky Mountain - Cyanescens - Deadly Galerina [Re: Scorpion77]
    #5604775 - 05/08/06 12:11 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

1.The season is over 2.aren't the great smokey mountains in Colorado(please correct me if I'm wrong) but I greatly admire your professionalism and willingness to actually learn about the fungus.


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Re: Great Smoky Mountain - Cyanescens - Deadly Galerina [Re: Purple_spore]
    #5604830 - 05/08/06 12:21 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

I thought they were here in Ky.?.?


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Re: Great Smoky Mountain - Cyanescens - Deadly Galerina [Re: FungusMan]
    #5604854 - 05/08/06 12:27 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

may cyans? i would be skepticle too. must i stress the white stem ID on gallerinas is not always valid, spore print everything


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Re: Great Smoky Mountain - Cyanescens - Deadly Galerina [Re: thosemynikes]
    #5604988 - 05/08/06 01:14 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Rocky, Smokey, Whats the difference. But In that case definatly not cyanescens for they grow primarily in the pacific north west.
http://www.mushroomjohn.com/psilocybecyanescens.htm


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Re: Great Smoky Mountain - Cyanescens - Deadly Galerina [Re: FungusMan]
    #5605072 - 05/08/06 01:48 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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I thought they were here in Ky.?.?




No. The mushrooms that were found in KY were discovered to be part of a patch that was created by a person. They do not grow there naturally.

Scorpion: You didn't find them in the smoky mountains(TN, NC area). They only grow in the Pacific Northwest.


Edited by Gumby (05/08/06 01:49 PM)


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Re: Great Smoky Mountain - Cyanescens - Deadly Galerina [Re: Scorpion77]
    #5605188 - 05/08/06 02:26 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

1. Great Smoky Mountains is in Tennessee, if I spelled that right or rather tn, NC, SC near Gatlinburg.

2. Actually from what I have found, and eaten Wood-chip Psilocybe, Cyanescens grow almost year round, or rather can be found almost year round, in the GREAT SMOKY MOUNTAINS.

3. They grow there naturally. I have found them year after year, now several years in a row.

4. the white stem was just one of the clues, next to spore print, and no cyan bruising.

5. do not trust anything from one source, whether it be on the internet, or a book, or a person post, or word of mouth. Get multiple sources, Mushroom Johns, is not the be all.

Thanks.


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Re: Great Smoky Mountain - Cyanescens - Deadly Galerina [Re: Scorpion77]
    #5605211 - 05/08/06 02:35 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

All in All stated A photo is worth a bunch with this kind of thread.
If you produce some good quality photos you will have a better argument :wink:
Good Luck!


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Re: Great Smoky Mountain - Cyanescens - Deadly Galerina [Re: Scorpion77]
    #5605604 - 05/08/06 04:27 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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Scorpion77 said: Actually from what I have found, and eaten Wood-chip Psilocybe, Cyanescens grow almost year round, or rather can be found almost year round, in the GREAT SMOKY MOUNTAINS. They grow there naturally. I have found them year after year, now several years in a row.........




I'm confused, so the temperature on the great smokey mountains is below 50 almost year round because i thought cyans grew in cold weather. :confused:

P.s. I would trust any thing I've read by John Allen for he is VERY experienced


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Re: Great Smoky Mountain - Cyanescens - Deadly Galerina [Re: Scorpion77]
    #5605636 - 05/08/06 04:33 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Psilocybe cyanescens does not grow in Tennessee or in the Smokey Mountain regions. They are a northern species found in the PNW from San Francisco to British Columbia, Canada and never east of the Cascades. Furthermore, they grow predominantly in man-made environments and not in a forest region. If found in a forest region, even in the PNW, they are scarce and few in a natural habitat. Their primary habitats are man-made habitatsm and in such habitats they grow abundantly wit5h as many as frpm one pound to 200 pounds or more in a single place. And in cities, not forests..

They do not grow anywhere on the east coast or the Northeast USA. And they are a fall mushroom growing form October through January in the PNW and into February in the Bay area of California. Not in the Smokey Mountains


The common bluing species from Northern Georgia or the Carolinas up to Maine, into Ontario, Canada, Michigan to Ohio, Pennsylvania and the Virginias is the blue-footed Psilocybe caerulipes, (caerul) is also a latin term like cyan used to indicate a blue stain on shroom stems and caps, A characteristic feature of the genus Psilocybe and similar families used to macroscopically identify the majority of psilocybian mushrooms which contain either psilocine/psilocybine and relate4d trytamine compouinds.

Additionally, P. caerulipes also produces caps which become wavy like P. cyanescens. That also is a characteristic of the genus Psilocybe. ANd of several non-active familes of shrooms uch as agrocybe, Hygrocybe, galerina, and even Naematolomas.

Someone with as many posts as you have and no photographs does not bring any credibility to this thread.

mj


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Re: Great Smoky Mountain - Cyanescens - Deadly Galerina [Re: mjshroomer]
    #5605690 - 05/08/06 04:44 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

the smoky mountains are in tennessee and and surrounding areas...


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Re: Great Smoky Mountain - Cyanescens - Deadly Galerina [Re: Scorpion77]
    #5605771 - 05/08/06 05:13 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Pictures are more important than you might think. I'm guessing you found:

Galerina autumnalis/marginata


and Psilocybe caerulipes


To the untrained eye and over optimistic mind they look similar. However, the orange veil remnant and lack of blue bruising easily distinguish the Galerina from the Psilocybe.

I'm glad you didn't eat those Galerinas.  :smile:


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Re: Great Smoky Mountain - Cyanescens - Deadly Galerina [Re: Scorpion77]
    #5606375 - 05/08/06 07:57 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

1. once again, this seems like a form of attack against a post, it seems people like to take out there frustrations in written form.

2. unusual things happen...have a nice day.


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Re: Great Smoky Mountain - Cyanescens - Deadly Galerina [Re: Scorpion77]
    #5606573 - 05/08/06 08:54 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

gotta respect that bold stuborness. You can't teach somone unwilling to learn.


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Re: Great Smoky Mountain - Cyanescens - Deadly Galerina [Re: Purple_spore]
    #5607072 - 05/08/06 11:27 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

He didnt say he was looking for cyans , he said he found some close lookalikes , and those COULD possbily grow in the same habitat as cyans , none the less hes just trying to say that people need to be safe before deeming something active , i feel you guys jumped the gun on this guy and didnt really read too much .


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Re: Great Smoky Mountain - Cyanescens - Deadly Galerina [Re: PSiFr33k]
    #5607405 - 05/09/06 02:30 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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i feel you guys jumped the gun on this guy and didnt really read too much .




I tend to do that. Psilocybe caerulipes is a very rare possibilty of a wood-growing mushroom in the NC/TN area.


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Re: Great Smoky Mountain - Cyanescens - Deadly Galerina [Re: Scorpion77]
    #5607533 - 05/09/06 03:34 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

iugu


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