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agoutihead


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just finished rick strassmans DMT: The Spirit Molecule.....
#5602404 - 05/07/06 08:06 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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i was quite surprised at the end to see him basically saying there is no "good real purpose" of DMT and basically psychedelics in general.
he even said what he has seen his volunteers react to he doesnt even want to try psychedelics.
which i am confused about.... did he or did he not take psychedelics himself?
he never actually mentioned that he took any in the book... and he did make the comment that he wouldnt want to try them insinuating he hasnt even done them.
if he hasnt, i am very surprised he was so interested in it with such an open mind.
-------------------- "When I'm on LSD and hearing something that's pure rhythm, it takes me to another world and into anther brain state where I've stopped thinking and started knowing" - Kevin Herbert "Psychedelics let you see the world through a child's eye." "Experience the liquid realm..." "The evolution of mankind is in the alteration of consciousness" - Dr. Albert Hofmann
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CptnGarden
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Re: just finished rick strassmans DMT: The Spirit Molecule..... [Re: agoutihead] 1
#5602483 - 05/07/06 08:26 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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he probably has. good book though huh? that part where the guy gets raped by the crocodile is weird though.
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hot48yearolds
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Re: just finished rick strassmans DMT: The Spirit Molecule..... [Re: CptnGarden]
#5602666 - 05/07/06 09:05 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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He talks about how psychedelics are beneficial near the beging chapters of the book, and the later chapters discuss the how DMT helped some of the patience spiritually. He also keeps calling DMT "the spirit molecule." so i believe that Strassman does respect psycadelics and probobly has or does use them on occasion.
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Re: just finished rick strassmans DMT: The Spirit Molecule..... [Re: hot48yearolds]
#5602767 - 05/07/06 09:22 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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AWSOME BOOK. im at the end of it now (taking pause. if i had to guess, id say he at least in one point in his life had a life changing trip, judging by the way he interacts with the "patients." if i remember right, there was a patient that said something to the tone of "this is fun" and he said something like im very sure you are. or something like that.
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Re: just finished rick strassmans DMT: The Spirit Molecule..... [Re: CptnGarden]
#5602778 - 05/07/06 09:25 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Quote:
ShroomieOfDoomie said: he probably has. good book though huh? that part where the guy gets raped by the crocodile is weird though.
I'd be willing to bet that guy was molested as a child or something.
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agoutihead


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Re: just finished rick strassmans DMT: The Spirit Molecule..... [Re: JeffersonDarcy]
#5602814 - 05/07/06 09:33 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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you would think he has... but in the last chapter he clearly states that from what he has seen and learned makes him not want to try them.
dont forget he was a psychologist or psychiatric or something along those lines and studied other brain chemicals.
-------------------- "When I'm on LSD and hearing something that's pure rhythm, it takes me to another world and into anther brain state where I've stopped thinking and started knowing" - Kevin Herbert "Psychedelics let you see the world through a child's eye." "Experience the liquid realm..." "The evolution of mankind is in the alteration of consciousness" - Dr. Albert Hofmann
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CptnGarden
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Re: just finished rick strassmans DMT: The Spirit Molecule..... [Re: agoutihead]
#5604143 - 05/08/06 07:29 AM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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well, why would he want to blow his chance at being able to experiment with it again in the future by saying. "Oh and I shot myself up too"
the man obviously had great born respect for psychedelics and most people don't. he was trying to prove the usefullness of the drug in clinical studies. He used one case in particular to have the girl figure out problems in her life (the one where her husband called her fat etc).
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Re: just finished rick strassmans DMT: The Spirit Molecule..... [Re: agoutihead]
#5604144 - 05/08/06 07:32 AM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Rick Strassman HAS taken psychedelics. He explains in the "Stepping on Holy Toes" chapter that he became involved in his Buddhist community via the use of LSD.
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agoutihead


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Re: just finished rick strassmans DMT: The Spirit Molecule..... [Re: KungFu_Shaman]
#5604155 - 05/08/06 07:41 AM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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he did make notes that alot of people in his buddist community had taken lsd... but i dont think he actually said that HE took it and then entered into buddism.
one would think so since he does say alot of his friends had tried it in college... but i was specifically looking for him to say that in the book and he never actually did.
-------------------- "When I'm on LSD and hearing something that's pure rhythm, it takes me to another world and into anther brain state where I've stopped thinking and started knowing" - Kevin Herbert "Psychedelics let you see the world through a child's eye." "Experience the liquid realm..." "The evolution of mankind is in the alteration of consciousness" - Dr. Albert Hofmann
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Re: just finished rick strassmans DMT: The Spirit Molecule..... [Re: agoutihead]
#5604197 - 05/08/06 08:15 AM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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The man is higly intelligent. He isnt going to write about his use of the substances. Look how seriously past researchers were taken after they wrote about doing the substances they were taking...
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Re: just finished rick strassmans DMT: The Spirit Molecule..... [Re: dedjam]
#5604409 - 05/08/06 10:07 AM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Are there even THAT many people who would write a book so in-depth on a psychedellic that NEVER did one?
Most people 'discover' DMT after being exposed to other drugs first. Even tho he 'wrote the book' if you will, there still had to be some stepping stone leading him to DMT...and it was probably another drug.
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agoutihead


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Re: just finished rick strassmans DMT: The Spirit Molecule..... [Re: LazyCrash]
#5604425 - 05/08/06 10:13 AM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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he actually studied melatonin very intensely which led him to DMT.
he never makes an assuption in his book that he tried psychedelics and that got him interested in it.
like i said the last chapter he actually said that from the stories and research, that his views on psychedlics have changed and that he doesnt want to try them...
i will post it word for word later tonight when i get home.
-------------------- "When I'm on LSD and hearing something that's pure rhythm, it takes me to another world and into anther brain state where I've stopped thinking and started knowing" - Kevin Herbert "Psychedelics let you see the world through a child's eye." "Experience the liquid realm..." "The evolution of mankind is in the alteration of consciousness" - Dr. Albert Hofmann
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Re: just finished rick strassmans DMT: The Spirit Molecule..... [Re: agoutihead]
#5604578 - 05/08/06 11:15 AM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Great respect to Dr. Rick Strassman. His opinions stated in the book are definately not one sided. But consider how they could all be dismissed, if, he had admitted his use of psychedelics as foundation for an opinion that is intended to be free of bias and from a scientific side line.
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