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quit smoking weed yesterday
#5602265 - 05/07/06 07:27 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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I waked and baked yesterday and in my stoned hours i come to notice that it was stupid, i wasn't even having fun. The last 5 time's i've smoked it's been the same boring and not being active. It ruined my day and later on i came to the conclusion that i just don't need weed anymore, its not me.
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Re: quit smoking weed yesterday [Re: PreparationH]
#5602285 - 05/07/06 07:31 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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That's kind of what happened to me. Weed went from being fun to being a comfortable and daily habit to being boring to being outright uncomfortable. Now it just makes me all freaked out and paranoid. I haven't smoked the stuff in years.
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Re: quit smoking weed yesterday [Re: PreparationH]
#5602291 - 05/07/06 07:32 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Same here. I smoked when I was growing up. Stopped for a long time. And then when I tried it again, had absolutely horrible experiences.
Good luck. Stay strong.
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Re: quit smoking weed yesterday [Re: RandalFlagg]
#5602293 - 05/07/06 07:33 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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GOOD! so i'm not the only one! It just doesn't fit with what i do every day i guess, i'm very active and thats what's fun to me, weed just makes me sit there and not do what i like to do.
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Re: quit smoking weed yesterday [Re: RandalFlagg]
#5602301 - 05/07/06 07:33 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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I've reached the point where sometimes I find it inconvenient, and I'm feeling I'll slide more towards that "I don't need it" after my move from Reno, NV, to somewhere in Washington state.
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Re: quit smoking weed yesterday [Re: Maverick]
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this doesn't change my opinion about mushrooms in any way, although i've only shroomed twice i don't think i'll ever stop considering i'll only do it very occasionaly
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Re: quit smoking weed yesterday [Re: PreparationH]
#5602308 - 05/07/06 07:36 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Plus weed gives you hemmorhoids.
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Re: quit smoking weed yesterday [Re: PreparationH]
#5602309 - 05/07/06 07:36 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Just quit for a few months then do it again once in a while. you will apprecaite the high....like on a big holiday or something, only. I had almost a similar problem, It never got me as high when I was a daily user, no matter how much I smoked it didnt get me as high anymore and it was dank weed too.
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Re: quit smoking weed yesterday [Re: PreparationH]
#5602323 - 05/07/06 07:40 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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The whole weed lifestyle is unappealing to me as well. I look back on all of the money and time I wasted on weed; if only I could have it back. How many times did I spend my last cent on a bag? How many times did I drive around for hours looking for a bag only to get a skimpy and overpriced cut of schwag weed that somebody pinched out of? How many hours did I spend just sitting on my couch watching TV and playing video games while being stoned out of my mind?
I'm not dissing smokers though. Weed just isn't for me anymore.
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Re: quit smoking weed yesterday [Re: PreparationH]
#5602328 - 05/07/06 07:43 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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that's what happened to me, I just straight out got bored.
now I only smoke when I want to get some sleep.
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Re: quit smoking weed yesterday [Re: RandalFlagg]
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People just need to learn how to do stuff in moderation. I know plenty of people who are daily smokers. Then a year or two later they say the stuff you're sayin.
That just seems like such a waste of life and money.
I love gettin stoned, but I do it maybe a coupla times a month. When it becomes a part of your daily routine, you should quit.
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Re: quit smoking weed yesterday [Re: RandalFlagg]
#5602335 - 05/07/06 07:46 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Well I guess I'm in the minority, but I love my herb. Wake`n`bake consists of gourmet coffee and gourmet herb. I get some of my best ideas high too, herb makes me think. Love it! I'll probably smoke every day till dead and gone and then smoke again some more.
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Re: quit smoking weed yesterday [Re: deryl]
#5602339 - 05/07/06 07:48 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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alright yea im definately down for smoking to get sleep, to me thats all i see it good for now, but im still gonna give iy a few months like skunk said. But if i were to never smoke for months, i could pass a drug test without biting my nails and worrying, and never have to worry about getting caught or something stupid if i dont do it. This all makes me notice the lifestyle i want, those 2 mushroom trips a year and if i come accross acid anytime i'll try it.
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Re: quit smoking weed yesterday [Re: RandalFlagg]
#5602358 - 05/07/06 07:52 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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I spent a lot of money on weed too in the past,it does get expensive, because a lot of time you have a higher tolerance the more you smoke it, so it takes more to get you just as high. So you end up smoking more weed then the occasional user.
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LloydChristmas said: People just need to learn how to do stuff in moderation.
True. I stopped smoking six years ago. Every two years or so I get a bug up my ass to try weed again. After all, I used to love the stuff. But, I'll take a drag or two (enough to get a mild buzz) and I get all freaked out and uncomfortable. Have you ever been stoned and all of a sudden you had to go do something where you were around family members, a boss, or something like that? Remember how you were all freaked out, wondering if people knew, and you just prayed that the stone would wear off? Imagine that uncomfortable feeling magnified by ten times and that's what it is like for me to be stoned. Not fun at all.
Most substances just aren't fun anymore to me. Alcohol and nitrous are the only things that I find to be enoyable.
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Re: quit smoking weed yesterday [Re: RandalFlagg]
#5602383 - 05/07/06 07:58 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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i don't smoke every day lloyd, i'm already a very light smoker at most i smoke 5 times a month.
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Re: quit smoking weed yesterday [Re: RandalFlagg]
#5602384 - 05/07/06 07:59 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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It's a daily habit for me, I take a rip in the morning, afternoon, and evening, and before bed. That's how it always goes when I'm at home. If I'm at work it's different, I don't smoke before or during work.
It's becoming more of a medication, which I noticed it to be from the start. It helps me out with mood control, I don't argue and fight with my parents or anyone at all anymore when I've smoked. That's what keeps me up to a pattern.
One other drawback to being stoned. I'm stoned, and it took a lot of effort to figure out where I was going with the sentence, (look it's happening again) and such... Uhm, I forget what my point is, and then screw up. Yeah that's the end.
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Re: quit smoking weed yesterday [Re: Maverick]
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Yeah I like the mood control aspect too, it's my Valium substitute and tastes better!
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Re: quit smoking weed yesterday [Re: RandalFlagg]
#5602396 - 05/07/06 08:02 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Smoking weed is great for tripping I noticed, on shrooms or acid. I tripped on shrooms and it was too uncomfortable by themselves, I needed weed to help with the comeup. Same with acid, but it seems like weed makes you peak better when you are tripping. But other then that smoking weed all the time gets pretty old by itself. I havent smoked weed in over 8 months now.
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Re: quit smoking weed yesterday [Re: Skunk420]
#5602407 - 05/07/06 08:07 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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i really enjoyed doing mushrooms, i enjoyed it so much i've been having a reoccuring dream since my second trip back in november. alls i remember of the dream is me being mid trip in a cartoon hallway with squiggly lines and solid colors, only black blue and pink, althought my mushroom trips were nothing like this.... wait i dunno wtf this dream is supposed to even be but i know its because of my mushrooms trip lol.
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Re: quit smoking weed yesterday [Re: PreparationH]
#5602495 - 05/07/06 08:28 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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i m a very active person and i do alot of shit during my everyday life, like play ball and wat not. when the day is over and i finally get high i look back at my day and think man wat a day. i love that feeling. i smoke about everyday, one time tho, and i only use like .2 and its completely satisfying to me. weed used to be a problem for me, where all did was think about weed and smoke it multiple times a day, waist my time and money on it and in the end of everyday, i would get nothing accomplished because i was too busy being blazed and lazy. i hated that and i noticed thats y i was cut from my soph b ball team, adn it just didnt become much of a big deal to me, like for a change, i wouldnt wake up everyday adn the first thing on my mind was weed i hated that feeling so i changed. i stopped smoking as much as i used to .now i play ball everyday and watnot and at night i get blazed and enjoy it to the fullest, and i get really high of a little amount. if i were you man, just be active during the day u know? be productive and at least get something accomplished and at the end of your day get blazed and u will love it be cause u will look back and think "at least i did this and that and this and that" so i deserve this high. its a great feeling
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Very good advice, that is very detailed as well.
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Re: quit smoking weed yesterday [Re: Skunk420]
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yea this is true what he sais but i've tried it, i smoked at night when all my friends drank and they were all giggling having a ball while all i want to do is sleep.
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Re: quit smoking weed yesterday [Re: PreparationH]
#5602558 - 05/07/06 08:46 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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smoke it with shrooms only then, I think it makes the mushroom trip a lot less uncomfortable. But that is just my opinion. It wont make you tired either, like weed alone... it will make the trip more smoother too..
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Re: quit smoking weed yesterday [Re: Skunk420]
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i doubt it'll make it less comfortable, my 2 trips went really smooth except when i heard this very weird sound (that wasn't really there) it sounded like when someone put a drumstick on a drum symbol and slides it accross it really fast, that scared the shit out of me when i was shrooming. I've had what i would think to be close to a panic attack when i was high, but never got like that when i was tripping.
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Re: quit smoking weed yesterday [Re: PreparationH]
#5602597 - 05/07/06 08:55 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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PreparationH said: i doubt it'll make it less comfortable, my 2 trips went really smooth except when i heard this very weird sound (that wasn't really there) it sounded like when someone put a drumstick on a drum symbol and slides it accross it really fast, that scared the shit out of me when i was shrooming.
I heard that noise while tripping, right before I thought I was going to die. It is goddamn scary!
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i was lieing in bed when it happened it made me do a jump kick in my bed, heart racing and i was like woah, that shit was CREEEZZZZYYYYY!
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Re: quit smoking weed yesterday [Re: PreparationH]
#5602812 - 05/07/06 09:32 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Yes it does, most likely it will be more comfortable. I have done shrooms with weed and without, I have actually only done shrooms maybe 6 to 8 times. well a good dose of shrooms that is. I have done LSD many times, and smoking pot right at the peak of an acid trip makes you trip even harder but it is more comfortable. But those strange sounds you are hearing are just auditory hallucinations, everyone gets them with psychedelics, and other drugs too!
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Re: quit smoking weed yesterday [Re: PreparationH]
#5603346 - 05/07/06 11:48 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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PreparationH said: quit smoking weed yesterday
I'm not gonna talk shit about someone not smoking weed because it's essentially as bad as drug warriors who bad mouth drug users, but please don't be that guy that used to be a pothead and went straight edge and now lectures people everytime they smoke. (I think everyone knows someone like that if they've been using any kind of drugs for long enough)
That is all...carry on.
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Re: quit smoking weed yesterday [Re: RandalFlagg]
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RandalFlagg said: I'm not dissing smokers though. Weed just isn't for me anymore.
Good attitude. You don't smoke anymore and I still do. We're both happy.
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Re: quit smoking weed yesterday [Re: PreparationH]
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Well, best of luck quitting.
I quit years ago and haven't even had the slightest desire to go back.
It's just no fun for me anymore - it used to be great.
I guess I'll be grateful for the good times it brought me.
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Re: quit smoking weed yesterday [Re: monamine]
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PreparationH said: quit smoking weed yesterday
I'm not gonna talk shit about someone not smoking weed because it's essentially as bad as drug warriors who bad mouth drug users, but please don't be that guy that used to be a pothead and went straight edge and now lectures people everytime they smoke. (I think everyone knows someone like that if they've been using any kind of drugs for long enough)
That is all...carry on.
Did you actually read what i typed or just the first 5 words? who the hell am i dissing or said im straight edge? i drink and still mushroom every once and a while. I just posted it up on the shroomery to see if anyone's had the same feelings of weed just not being the drug for them anymore.
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Re: quit smoking weed yesterday [Re: RandalFlagg]
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RandalFlagg said: The whole weed lifestyle is unappealing to me as well. I look back on all of the money and time I wasted on weed; if only I could have it back. How many times did I spend my last cent on a bag? How many times did I drive around for hours looking for a bag only to get a skimpy and overpriced cut of schwag weed that somebody pinched out of? How many hours did I spend just sitting on my couch watching TV and playing video games while being stoned out of my mind?
I'm not dissing smokers though. Weed just isn't for me anymore.
I associated weed smoking with one's "phenotype," so I believe I smoke so much for "phenotypical" reasons.
It deals with my genetic composition and environment, in my community, weed smoking is very widespread and abundant...
Smoking weed is an entirely different experience in these environs, I don't have to worry about getting a skimp sack, or any of those undesirable factors of being a weed smoker.
Most people I know grow, including my GOOD GOOD FRIEND OF A FRIEND'S FRIEND, hint hint, ... I dunno I smoke a lot of weed, I'm sorry to hear it causes you such horrible stints of anxiety, at least the portion of your lungs which is affected by marijuana smoke will be able to relax...
It gets lame, I must admit, sitting around doing nothing stoned...
However, when there is nothing to do, a very common occurence, sitting around doing nothing whilst stoned is more enjoyable than doing nothing whilst sober.
I usually find that the addition of selective marijuana strains (some are better than others for specific conditions) typically make an activity more enjoyable.
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Re: quit smoking weed yesterday [Re: Herbus]
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Furthermore, I've said this hundreds of times, you might just not be smoking the same quality of marijuana others are smoking...
... That said, smoking "hella bomb" doesn't make you cool(er), it usually deals with the geographical situation of weed suppliers in your area...
Where I come from, Northern California, there's obviously lots of good weed, and I don't typically run into these 'adverse' reactions which are often described here; although I used to, and I believe it was directly correlated to the quality of the weed.
It's simply a matter of neurophysiological changes, and the compounds responsible for those changes: THC causes quite an enjoyable and often lucid high. However, CBD, a predecessor, alters the activity of THC, making the high lean to more lethargic, somatic (bodily sensations), and overall 'stupid and incapable' feelings while high... Not to mention all the other cannabinoids that somehow affect the high. There's still a lot we do not know, but as we learn more, breeders are able to produce strains which better accomodate people and their reasons for smoking.
In some regions, these said genetics are more available, in others they are limited to an esoteric group.
Seems like a decent amount of people who begin to dislike weed are in regions in which the only high quality weed being produced is usually indoors and not very abundant, and therefor quite expensive.
I don't know I'm just glad to be in Northern California.
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Re: quit smoking weed yesterday [Re: Herbus]
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Ive been smoking weed for about 2 1/2 years now, the more i do it the less enjoyable it becomes.I dont know why this is, maybe it is related to what Herbus was saying, most of the time the weed i get in my area(Upstate NY) is shit weed, ocassionally we get some decent hydro or some good homegrown.
I keep thinking that i want to quit, ive said this to myself many times. I never seem to be able to, i have however cut down to smoking only a few times a week, and also cut down the amount i smoke when i do toke. In my view smoking all the time is a waste of time and money, moderation is key, as is with most things.
Im thinking maybe i destroyed mary jane's magic a few times when i was REALLY stoned, once i threw up and had stomach pains, maybe that can be attributed to the humongous bong I used. Another time I got really stoned and thought i was going crazy, i felt my mind flipping...I never get that stoned anymore. Sometimes I get an icky and tired feeling while stoned, no idea why.
On a side note, smoking during a shroom trip does seem to help with the anxiety of coming up, and overall makes the trip stronger and more enjoyable.
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Re: quit smoking weed yesterday [Re: Herbus]
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Herbus said: Seems like a decent amount of people who begin to dislike weed are in regions in which the only high quality weed being produced is usually indoors and not very abundant, and therefor quite expensive.
Do you have any proof to support such a wild claim?
In theory cannabis with higher levels of THC is going to make somebody prone to anxiety experience adverse effects much worse.. It's all about your currect state of mind IMHO, personal experience, and experiences of others around me.
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well its good to know I'm not alone,i thought i was the only person that wasn't fixated by cannabis. Don't get me wrong I think its a wonderful herb, but for certain people. I use to smoke it like 24/7, thats all i ever wanted to do was get high. After awhile though it just made me feel very strange, I was alot more paranoid, i couldn't socialize anymore, actually kind of depressed me and the biggest thing was that I was thinking to much about everything and that never does anyone any good. Now the only time i like to smoke is by myself to get my creative juices flowing 
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Do you have any proof to support such a wild claim?
In theory cannabis with higher levels of THC is going to make somebody prone to anxiety experience adverse effects much worse.. It's all about your currect state of mind IMHO, personal experience, and experiences of others around me.
Well considering the legal status of marijuana, and subsequent limitations imposed on researchers, thus creating a lack of research into the subject; I think it might be kinda hard to gather up empirical evidence supporting my claim, authored by credible researchers...
Luckily for me, I said a decent amount of people, so are you going to effectively argue against my theory that a decent amount of people who dislike weed live in regions without an abundance of high-grade cannabis? No, you're not... well, I suppose you could try... but we never laid down the criteria to which "decent" has to meet.
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In theory cannabis with higher levels of THC is going to make somebody prone to anxiety experience adverse effects much worse.. It's all about your currect state of mind IMHO, personal experience, and experiences of others around me.
Can YOU find some documentation supporting your claims?
Of course "experience" has something to do with it, that's what life is, essentially, one prolonged experience. "Experience" affects everything...
THC more prone to anxiety, hmm? I don't know about that one, bud. I think it has more to do with the entire chemical composition, specifically that which pertains to cannibinoids.
Most cannibinoids are not active, per se, but effect the 'high' of THC, and/or other present psychoactive compounds.
Anxiety is a tricky thing, and for the most part, I'd have to agree with you...
Anxiety has a lot to do with the situation in which weed is smoked, and I believe it has a lot to do with boredom (repetition of stimuli) and your perceived inability to do anything about it.
That said, I've smoked weed which I deem "anxiety weed" and I don't attribute it to high levels of THC.
It might be a little premature, with a racey high, and although you could point to high levels of THC in this stage, I think it deals more with the other cannibinoids present and their influence on the THC, and not the THC itself.
High-quality sativas, high in THC and low in other cannibinoids, specifically CBD, are anything but anxiety weed.
In the end, all this shit is anecdotal, so this is helpful to compare and contrast information as we are doing now.
However, I'm pretty damn sure I'm right/you're wrong. lololololol
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Re: quit smoking weed yesterday [Re: Herbus]
#5605937 - 05/08/06 05:54 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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If person B. smokes some low grade brick and experiences anxiety what the fuck do you think some top shelf (whether it's indica or sativa. doesn't matter) is going to do to him? Shwag is not going to get you as high as good quality bud so how do you figure it is going to effect you more negatively than good quality bud? That makes no sense at all. As with many other chemicals it all depends on your mind state.
I smoked good quality, bad quality, and everything in between for 6 years almost daily unless there was an unusual dry spout. Loved every minute of it. At that point in time I laughed at people who said that bud made them paranoid. (yes I literally laughed at them.) My life got fucked up and I became extremely depressed + anxious while completely sober. When I'd smoke my anxiety was sent into overdrive leaving me feeling like shit. So I quit smoking. Now it's a year later and I am able to cope with the anxiety. I recently picked up a bit of bud and found that I am able to smoke again with no ill effects due to the fact that my mind is clear (for the most part) once again.
That is only one example..
I can't technically prove this but as you so kindly pointed out neither can you... but with a little common sense it's not hard to understand. Again, chemicals effect people differently depending on their brain chemistry and mind state. It has nothing to do with the quality of the bud imho.
edit: Sorry if I came off like a dick in my posts. I honestly didn't mean to. I'm just very adamant on this subject due to my own personal experience with cannabis. When my mind was in a good place none of the variables you mentioned mattered. (quality, indica, sativa, mature, premature) The only thing that varied due to those variables was how high I got and whether it felt more like a couch-lock stone or a get the fuck up and do something stone. Never experienced any form of anxiety/paranoia when I was in a good state of mind, it actually helped to deal with my natural shyness.
-------------------- m00nshine is currently vacationing in Maui. Rumor has it he got rolled by drunken natives and is currently prostituting himself in order to pay for airfare back to the mainland but he's having trouble juggling a hairon addiction. He won't be back for a long while.
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Re: quit smoking weed yesterday [Re: PreparationH]
#5605997 - 05/08/06 06:07 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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mattzdope said: If person B. smokes some low grade brick and experiences anxiety what the fuck do you think some top shelf (whether it's indica or sativa. doesn't matter) is going to do to him? Shwag is not going to get you as high as good quality bud so how do you figure it is going to effect you more negatively than good quality bud? That makes no sense at all. As with many other chemicals it all depends on your mind state.
I smoked good quality, bad quality, and everything in between for 6 years almost daily unless there was an unusual dry spout. Loved every minute of it. At that point in time I laughed at people who said that bud made them paranoid. (yes I literally laughed at them.) My life got fucked up and I became extremely depressed + anxious while completely sober. When I'd smoke my anxiety was sent into overdrive leaving me feeling like shit. So I quit smoking. Now it's a year later and I am able to cope with the anxiety. I recently picked up a bit of bud and found that I am able to smoke again with no ill effects due to the fact that my mind is clear (for the most part) once again.
That is only one example..
I can't technically prove this but as you so kindly pointed out neither can you... but with a little common sense it's not hard to understand. Again, chemicals effect people differently depending on their brain chemistry and mind state. It has nothing to do with the quality of the bud imho.
You are right, and concurrently wrong.
Does mind-state have something to do with it? Yes, definitely.
Does this invalidate that the quality of marijuana has something to do with it? No.
Something which, despite my numerous attempts, you still do not seem to grasp: Different marijuana causes different highs.
This all depends on the chemical composition of the bud (about 400 chemicals, around 60 of which are cannibinoids), which varies greatly, as do genetics and growing conditions... factors which are all connected to the resulting quality of buds...
Cannabis sativa plants grow at the equator where there is a longer period of warm season/daylight, produce plants with more THC than indica plants grown in Canada.
How come you get so damned high off indica then? Well, it has to do with the interaction between cannibinoids.
Anyone who is a true bud connoisseur, as you claim to be, would be able to distinguish the difference in highs between a "solid" indica and a "solid" sativa.
So, the high you get can be attributed to the chemical reactions which occur after absorption of cannibinoids... and your 'psychological interpretation,' so-to-speak of the slightly altered reality one now experiences... Many of the perimeters of this "altered reality," however, are determined by the chemical constituencies present at receptor sites (not just THC), and thus affected by the chemical composition of the bud smoked:
Which we HAVE (yes, scientifically) determined varies from plant to plant.
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Re: quit smoking weed yesterday [Re: Herbus]
#5606265 - 05/08/06 07:27 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Herbus said:
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mattzdope said: If person B. smokes some low grade brick and experiences anxiety what the fuck do you think some top shelf (whether it's indica or sativa. doesn't matter) is going to do to him? Shwag is not going to get you as high as good quality bud so how do you figure it is going to effect you more negatively than good quality bud? That makes no sense at all. As with many other chemicals it all depends on your mind state.
I smoked good quality, bad quality, and everything in between for 6 years almost daily unless there was an unusual dry spout. Loved every minute of it. At that point in time I laughed at people who said that bud made them paranoid. (yes I literally laughed at them.) My life got fucked up and I became extremely depressed + anxious while completely sober. When I'd smoke my anxiety was sent into overdrive leaving me feeling like shit. So I quit smoking. Now it's a year later and I am able to cope with the anxiety. I recently picked up a bit of bud and found that I am able to smoke again with no ill effects due to the fact that my mind is clear (for the most part) once again.
That is only one example..
I can't technically prove this but as you so kindly pointed out neither can you... but with a little common sense it's not hard to understand. Again, chemicals effect people differently depending on their brain chemistry and mind state. It has nothing to do with the quality of the bud imho.
You are right, and concurrently wrong.
Does mind-state have something to do with it? Yes, definitely.
Does this invalidate that the quality of marijuana has something to do with it? No.
Something which, despite my numerous attempts, you still do not seem to grasp: Different marijuana causes different highs.
This all depends on the chemical composition of the bud (about 400 chemicals, around 60 of which are cannibinoids), which varies greatly, as do genetics and growing conditions... factors which are all connected to the resulting quality of buds...
Cannabis sativa plants grow at the equator where there is a longer period of warm season/daylight, produce plants with more THC than indica plants grown in Canada.
How come you get so damned high off indica then? Well, it has to do with the interaction between cannibinoids.
Anyone who is a true bud connoisseur, as you claim to be, would be able to distinguish the difference in highs between a "solid" indica and a "solid" sativa.
So, the high you get can be attributed to the chemical reactions which occur after absorption of cannibinoids... and your 'psychological interpretation,' so-to-speak of the slightly altered reality one now experiences... Many of the perimeters of this "altered reality," however, are determined by the chemical constituencies present at receptor sites (not just THC), and thus affected by the chemical composition of the bud smoked:
Which we HAVE (yes, scientifically) determined varies from plant to plant.
To tell you the truth I've actually even argued that cannabinoids can possibly effect you differently through different methods of smoking.. I know different types of marijuana produce different highs and I know a bit about the different cannabinoids... You are totally misunderstanding me. Here's the excerpt from a previous post of mine to show you that I agree with you on some levels:
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AliceDee said: fact #1 = blunts have a tobacco leaf which you are directly inhaling unfiltered which effects how you feel...

Fact #2 = Direct flame decreases the amount and percentages of over sixty know cannabinoids you are ingesting.
Some facts about cannabinoids and how they interact with eachother:
"There are over sixty known herbal cannabinoids. Of these, tetrahydrocannabinol (THC), cannabidiol (CBD) and cannabinol (CBN) are the most prevalent and have received the most study. Other common ones are listed below:
CBG Cannabigerol CBC Cannabichromene CBL Cannabicyclol CBV Cannabivarol THCV Tetrahydrocannabivarin CBDV Cannabidivarin CBCV Cannabichromevarin CBGV Cannabigerovarin CBGM Cannabigerol Monoethyl Ether THC is the primary psychoactive component of the plant. Medically, it appears to moderate pain and to be neuroprotective. THC has a greater affinity for the CB1 receptor than for the CB2 receptors. Its effects are perceived to be more cerebral.
CBD is not psychoactive, and appears to moderate the euphoric effects of THC. It may decrease the rate of THC clearance from the body, perhaps by interfering with the metabolism of THC in the liver. Medically, it appears to relieve convulsion, inflammation, anxiety, and nausea. CBD has a greater affinity for the CB2 receptor than for the CB1 receptor. It is perceived to have more effect on the body.
CBN is the primary product of THC degradation, and there is usually little of it in a fresh plant. CBN content increases as THC degrades in storage, and with exposure to light and air. It is only mildly psychoactive, and is perceived to be sedative or stupefying.
These compounds may be in different forms depending on the position of the double bond in the alicyclic carbon ring. There is potential for confusion because there are different numbering systems used to describe the position of this double bond. Under the dibenzopyran numbering system widely used today, the major form of THC is called delta-9-THC, while the minor form is called delta-8-THC. Under the alternate terpene numbering system, these same compounds are called delta-1-THC and delta-6-THC, respectively.
Most herbal cannabinoid compounds are 21 carbon compounds. However, some do not follow this rule, primarily because of variation in the length of the side chain attached to the aromatic ring. In THC, CBD, and CBN, this side chain is a pentyl (5 carbon) chain. In the most common homologue, the pentyl chain is replaced with a propyl (3 carbon) chain. Cannabinoids with the propyl side chain are named using the suffix "varin", and are designated, for example, THCV, CBDV, or CBNV. It appears that shorter chains increase the intensity and decrease the duration of the activity of the chemicals.
Cannabinoids were first discovered in the 1940s, when CBD and CBN were identified. The structure of THC was first determined in 1964. Due to molecular similarity and ease of synthetic conversion, it was originally believed that CBD was a natural precursor to THC. However, it is now known that CBD and THC are produced independently in the cannabis plant. Cannabinoid production starts when an enzyme causes geranyl-pyrophosphate and olivetolic acid to combine and form CBG. Next, CBG is independently converted to either CBD or CBC by two separate synthase enzymes. CBC is then enzymatically cyclized to THC. For the propyl homologues (THCV, CBDV and CBNV), there is a similar pathway that is based on CBGV."
<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cannabinoid#Herbal_Cannabinoids" target="_blank" onmouseover="javascript:mm_toggle('contextLink')" onmouseout="javascript:mm_toggle()">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cannabinoid#Herbal_Cannabinoids</a>
These cannabinoids interact with eachother. You ingest different percentages of these cannaboids using different methods of smoking or other forms of ingestion such as oral ingestion. In theory different methods of smoking (the same strain) could produce small differences in effect.
We all know there is a major difference between smoking and oral ingestion. Why not small differences between different methods of smoking?
Although it could all be placebo..?
All I am trying to say today is that your mind plays the biggest factor in how cannabis will effect you. I never once said that different types of bud don't produce different highs.
This sums up what I think:
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mattzdope said: I'm just very adamant on this subject due to my own personal experience with cannabis. When my mind was in a good place none of the variables you mentioned mattered. (quality, indica, sativa, mature, premature) The only thing that varied due to those variables was how high I got and whether it felt more like a couch-lock stone or a get the fuck up and do something stone. Never experienced any form of anxiety/paranoia when I was in a good state of mind, it actually helped to deal with my natural shyness.
-------------------- m00nshine is currently vacationing in Maui. Rumor has it he got rolled by drunken natives and is currently prostituting himself in order to pay for airfare back to the mainland but he's having trouble juggling a hairon addiction. He won't be back for a long while.
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Re: quit smoking weed yesterday [Re: Herbus]
#5606310 - 05/08/06 07:35 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Take somebody who is a happy go lucky person and enjoys smoking. This person has never experienced anxiety/paranoia while smoking, EVER. He thoroughly enjoys smoking.
Now this person goes through some shit and become depressed, anxious, and all around negative.
Now when he smokes it's a dark paranoid place, not the happy go lucky stoned he experienced before.
Do you believe this is due to the quality of the bud/percentages of cannabinoids/ indica or sativa dominant/and whatever the fuck else you want to throw in, or is it due to his own mental health?
-------------------- m00nshine is currently vacationing in Maui. Rumor has it he got rolled by drunken natives and is currently prostituting himself in order to pay for airfare back to the mainland but he's having trouble juggling a hairon addiction. He won't be back for a long while.
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Re: quit smoking weed yesterday [Re: missmush]
#11706629 - 12/23/09 02:51 PM (14 years, 1 month ago) |
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missmush said: well its good to know I'm not alone,i thought i was the only person that wasn't fixated by cannabis. Don't get me wrong I think its a wonderful herb, but for certain people. I use to smoke it like 24/7, thats all i ever wanted to do was get high. After awhile though it just made me feel very strange, I was alot more paranoid, i couldn't socialize anymore, actually kind of depressed me and the biggest thing was that I was thinking to much about everything and that never does anyone any good. Now the only time i like to smoke is by myself to get my creative juices flowing 
So to anyone that wants to quit good luck!
You and I were going through the exact same thing. I've been smoking for the past few years everyday and now i feel like it's catching up to me. Socializing with people seems to have become a problem, I am constantly tired and i just don't flow like i used to. I never know what to say to people, i feel like i have no emotion, i don't really care about anything. I've been wanting to quit for a while now but all of my friends burn, so everytime they call me they want to roll something up, so it's hard not to when my closest friends constantly do. But i have been cutting down and aim to stop since i feel that the constant smoking has something to do with the problems i have been dealing with.
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Re: quit smoking weed yesterday [Re: Big Worm]
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Re: quit smoking weed yesterday [Re: Beanhead]
#11706697 - 12/23/09 03:01 PM (14 years, 1 month ago) |
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Re: quit smoking weed yesterday [Re: Apostle]
#11706776 - 12/23/09 03:13 PM (14 years, 1 month ago) |
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Three and a half years down the road... I think PreparationH is toking again, ain't he?
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Re: quit smoking weed yesterday [Re: Apostle]
#11706819 - 12/23/09 03:22 PM (14 years, 1 month ago) |
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my biggest problem with marijuana is that it makes me over-analyze everything and for that reason i only smoke around people i'm tight with usually or save it for the end of the day....
i have a hard time smoking weed and going into college for example where everyone is sober- makes me too paranoid sometimes if im not having a really good day ...
I look at weed almost like an introspection thing- my best tokes are probably late at night or if its a really nice day or a good setting that can dramatically effect the high - i think the paranoia effect common though...
my high's are always different but i've cut down my usage for this reason- i still love marijuana though, don't think i can give up her benefits... best way imo to unwind at the end of the day- also for people having trouble with their high's i believe smoking a small amount can actually produce a better high then smoking 5 bong hits... this seems to make a big difference but if you're social anxiety gets too out of hand- then simply stop... i meditate my thoughts anytime they get anxious.. if you tell yourself that 'anxiety doesn't exist' then it wont
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Re: quit smoking weed yesterday [Re: skatealex2]
#11706825 - 12/23/09 03:23 PM (14 years, 1 month ago) |
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You know what the best part is about being stoned?
Sitting on a bus stoned out of your mind and wondering if people notice sometimes I really don't know where to look when I've taken drugs/am stoned
Edited by Beanhead (12/23/09 03:24 PM)
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Entropymancer said: Three and a half years down the road... I think PreparationH is toking again, ain't he?
Yea, I took a pretty long break from smoking after this post was made and actually had no reason to blaze again. My brother moved back to the area from across the country and I had told him I stopped smoking because all it did was burn me out and made me ok with being bored(which is true in MY case.) He pretty much laughed in my face and said "No shit, look at the bud that flows through this city"
So what's he do? He makes his own set up and grew a random seed I had in a drawer in my bedroom. It came out the best weed I've yet to smoke, yellow hairs, moist with thc, actually gave me a buzz that I enjoyed. and the best part: FREE. That was some amazing weed. One thing lead to another and he got involved with some woman I don't really approve of and she has a kid and my brothers taken the responsible rout and stopped growing because of the kid. I've given up on weed in my area because once I tasted actually GOOD bud that was 100% free, I just can't go back.
All the marijuana here is some compacted and dried out that it's so harsh, I could go on but it just isn't ever worth the money/my lungs deserve better.
I much more recently have been ingesting weed brownies with the weed around here, a group of us throw in for a half pound which runs us $650-700. The problem was my attitude and the quailty of weed, I was smoking crap and expecting bang.
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Re: quit smoking weed yesterday [Re: skatealex2]
#11706994 - 12/23/09 03:47 PM (14 years, 1 month ago) |
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skatealex2 said: my biggest problem with marijuana is that it makes me over-analyze everything and for that reason i only smoke around people i'm tight with usually or save it for the end of the day....
i have a hard time smoking weed and going into college for example where everyone is sober- makes me too paranoid sometimes if im not having a really good day ...
I look at weed almost like an introspection thing- my best tokes are probably late at night or if its a really nice day or a good setting that can dramatically effect the high - i think the paranoia effect common though...
my high's are always different but i've cut down my usage for this reason- i still love marijuana though, don't think i can give up her benefits... best way imo to unwind at the end of the day- also for people having trouble with their high's i believe smoking a small amount can actually produce a better high then smoking 5 bong hits... this seems to make a big difference but if you're social anxiety gets too out of hand- then simply stop... i meditate my thoughts anytime they get anxious.. if you tell yourself that 'anxiety doesn't exist' then it wont
Really? I smoke before class probably about 60% of the time. It depends on what the class is, but I study high, and test high. Another semester of A's and B's. Then again, cannabis helps sitting for 3 hour classes.
I really couldn't care less, I don't look like a stoner or act like one. Granted I am one. Regardless, a bit of cologne or a smoke, and some visine, and one is good to go
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You have good points... it can work well for me before classes that have open minded discussions like abnormal psychology altho truthfully it also can help with some of the less interesting ones...
guess for me it really depends on the day and class.... set and setting basically
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Re: quit smoking weed yesterday [Re: skatealex2]
#11707088 - 12/23/09 04:04 PM (14 years, 1 month ago) |
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Eh, I smoke daily, so its really nothing beyond my realm of normal.
Certain classes I wouldn't, same thing with operating machinery when your really stoned (minus cars, golf carts). Last thing one needs to do is loss a limb.
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I just re-read every post in here, I must say, my mentality back then and today are pretty much the same. Weed just isn't my drug of choice and when I wrote in this thread I had Just figured it out. I had tripped 2 times in my life and was saying I think I'd probably trip for the rest of my life also. Two mushrooms trips and I was stuck here, 40+ mushroom and 3.5 years later, a little experimentation with LSD and salvia, mushrooms are still my drug of choice.
Many people say it all the time but this website has taught me so much. From interacting with like minded people to gaining confidence in myself through learning to cultivate from scratch. I couldn't have done it without you guys. Plus, what other website members gives you the fine advice about ladies: DSHSB! seriously 

I'm coming up to my 5 year mark on this website and it doesn't look like you will see me gone any time soon. I've grown up with shroomery as part of my life and have been urging Ythan for a shroomery tapestry(CMON already!) to show my respects to a website that literally has shaped me into the man I am today.
Your friendly neighbor and mushroom connoisseur, Preparation H.
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