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Re: quit smoking weed yesterday [Re: THE KRAT BARON]
    #5606120 - 05/08/06 06:45 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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mattzdope said:
If person B. smokes some low grade brick and experiences anxiety what the fuck do you think some top shelf (whether it's indica or sativa. doesn't matter) is going to do to him? :rotfl: Shwag is not going to get you as high as good quality bud so how do you figure it is going to effect you more negatively than good quality bud? That makes no sense at all. As with many other chemicals it all depends on your mind state.

I smoked good quality, bad quality, and everything in between for 6 years almost daily unless there was an unusual dry spout. Loved every minute of it. At that point in time I laughed at people who said that bud made them paranoid. (yes I literally laughed at them.) My life got fucked up and I became extremely depressed + anxious while completely sober. When I'd smoke my anxiety was sent into overdrive leaving me feeling like shit. So I quit smoking. Now it's a year later and I am able to cope with the anxiety. I recently picked up a bit of bud and found that I am able to smoke again with no ill effects due to the fact that my mind is clear (for the most part) once again.

That is only one example..

I can't technically prove this but as you so kindly pointed out neither can you... but with a little common sense it's not hard to understand. Again, chemicals effect people differently depending on their brain chemistry and mind state. It has nothing to do with the quality of the bud imho.





You are right, and concurrently wrong.

Does mind-state have something to do with it? Yes, definitely.

Does this invalidate that the quality of marijuana has something to do with it? No.

Something which, despite my numerous attempts, you still do not seem to grasp: Different marijuana causes different highs.

This all depends on the chemical composition of the bud (about 400 chemicals, around 60 of which are cannibinoids), which varies greatly, as do genetics and growing conditions... factors which are all connected to the resulting quality of buds...

Cannabis sativa plants grow at the equator where there is a longer period of warm season/daylight, produce plants with more THC than indica plants grown in Canada.

How come you get so damned high off indica then? Well, it has to do with the interaction between cannibinoids.

Anyone who is a true bud connoisseur, as you claim to be, would be able to distinguish the difference in highs between a "solid" indica and a "solid" sativa.

So, the high you get can be attributed to the chemical reactions which occur after absorption of cannibinoids... and your 'psychological interpretation,' so-to-speak of the slightly altered reality one now experiences... Many of the perimeters of this "altered reality," however, are determined by the chemical constituencies present at receptor sites (not just THC), and thus affected by the chemical composition of the bud smoked:

Which we HAVE (yes, scientifically) determined varies from plant to plant.


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Re: quit smoking weed yesterday [Re: Herbus]
    #5606265 - 05/08/06 07:27 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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Herbus said:
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mattzdope said:
If person B. smokes some low grade brick and experiences anxiety what the fuck do you think some top shelf (whether it's indica or sativa. doesn't matter) is going to do to him? :rotfl: Shwag is not going to get you as high as good quality bud so how do you figure it is going to effect you more negatively than good quality bud? That makes no sense at all. As with many other chemicals it all depends on your mind state.

I smoked good quality, bad quality, and everything in between for 6 years almost daily unless there was an unusual dry spout. Loved every minute of it. At that point in time I laughed at people who said that bud made them paranoid. (yes I literally laughed at them.) My life got fucked up and I became extremely depressed + anxious while completely sober. When I'd smoke my anxiety was sent into overdrive leaving me feeling like shit. So I quit smoking. Now it's a year later and I am able to cope with the anxiety. I recently picked up a bit of bud and found that I am able to smoke again with no ill effects due to the fact that my mind is clear (for the most part) once again.

That is only one example..

I can't technically prove this but as you so kindly pointed out neither can you... but with a little common sense it's not hard to understand. Again, chemicals effect people differently depending on their brain chemistry and mind state. It has nothing to do with the quality of the bud imho.





You are right, and concurrently wrong.

Does mind-state have something to do with it? Yes, definitely.

Does this invalidate that the quality of marijuana has something to do with it? No.

Something which, despite my numerous attempts, you still do not seem to grasp: Different marijuana causes different highs.

This all depends on the chemical composition of the bud (about 400 chemicals, around 60 of which are cannibinoids), which varies greatly, as do genetics and growing conditions... factors which are all connected to the resulting quality of buds...

Cannabis sativa plants grow at the equator where there is a longer period of warm season/daylight, produce plants with more THC than indica plants grown in Canada.

How come you get so damned high off indica then? Well, it has to do with the interaction between cannibinoids.

Anyone who is a true bud connoisseur, as you claim to be, would be able to distinguish the difference in highs between a "solid" indica and a "solid" sativa.

So, the high you get can be attributed to the chemical reactions which occur after absorption of cannibinoids... and your 'psychological interpretation,' so-to-speak of the slightly altered reality one now experiences... Many of the perimeters of this "altered reality," however, are determined by the chemical constituencies present at receptor sites (not just THC), and thus affected by the chemical composition of the bud smoked:

Which we HAVE (yes, scientifically) determined varies from plant to plant.





To tell you the truth I've actually even argued that cannabinoids can possibly effect you differently through different methods of smoking.. I know different types of marijuana produce different highs and I know a bit about the different cannabinoids... You are totally misunderstanding me. Here's the excerpt from a previous post of mine to show you that I agree with you on some levels:


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AliceDee said:
fact #1 = blunts have a tobacco leaf which you are directly inhaling unfiltered which effects how you feel...




:smile:

Fact #2 = Direct flame decreases the amount and percentages of over sixty know cannabinoids you are ingesting.

Some facts about cannabinoids and how they interact with eachother:

"There are over sixty known herbal cannabinoids. Of these, tetrahydrocannabinol (THC), cannabidiol (CBD) and cannabinol (CBN) are the most prevalent and have received the most study. Other common ones are listed below:

CBG  Cannabigerol
CBC  Cannabichromene
CBL  Cannabicyclol
CBV  Cannabivarol
THCV  Tetrahydrocannabivarin
CBDV  Cannabidivarin
CBCV  Cannabichromevarin
CBGV  Cannabigerovarin
CBGM  Cannabigerol Monoethyl Ether
THC is the primary psychoactive component of the plant. Medically, it appears to moderate pain and to be neuroprotective. THC has a greater affinity for the CB1 receptor than for the CB2 receptors. Its effects are perceived to be more cerebral.

CBD is not psychoactive, and appears to moderate the euphoric effects of THC. It may decrease the rate of THC clearance from the body, perhaps by interfering with the metabolism of THC in the liver. Medically, it appears to relieve convulsion, inflammation, anxiety, and nausea. CBD has a greater affinity for the CB2 receptor than for the CB1 receptor. It is perceived to have more effect on the body.

CBN is the primary product of THC degradation, and there is usually little of it in a fresh plant. CBN content increases as THC degrades in storage, and with exposure to light and air. It is only mildly psychoactive, and is perceived to be sedative or stupefying.

These compounds may be in different forms depending on the position of the double bond in the alicyclic carbon ring. There is potential for confusion because there are different numbering systems used to describe the position of this double bond. Under the dibenzopyran numbering system widely used today, the major form of THC is called delta-9-THC, while the minor form is called delta-8-THC. Under the alternate terpene numbering system, these same compounds are called delta-1-THC and delta-6-THC, respectively.

Most herbal cannabinoid compounds are 21 carbon compounds. However, some do not follow this rule, primarily because of variation in the length of the side chain attached to the aromatic ring. In THC, CBD, and CBN, this side chain is a pentyl (5 carbon) chain. In the most common homologue, the pentyl chain is replaced with a propyl (3 carbon) chain. Cannabinoids with the propyl side chain are named using the suffix "varin", and are designated, for example, THCV, CBDV, or CBNV. It appears that shorter chains increase the intensity and decrease the duration of the activity of the chemicals.

Cannabinoids were first discovered in the 1940s, when CBD and CBN were identified. The structure of THC was first determined in 1964. Due to molecular similarity and ease of synthetic conversion, it was originally believed that CBD was a natural precursor to THC. However, it is now known that CBD and THC are produced independently in the cannabis plant. Cannabinoid production starts when an enzyme causes geranyl-pyrophosphate and olivetolic acid to combine and form CBG. Next, CBG is independently converted to either CBD or CBC by two separate synthase enzymes. CBC is then enzymatically cyclized to THC. For the propyl homologues (THCV, CBDV and CBNV), there is a similar pathway that is based on CBGV."


<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cannabinoid#Herbal_Cannabinoids" target="_blank" onmouseover="javascript:mm_toggle('contextLink')" onmouseout="javascript:mm_toggle()">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cannabinoid#Herbal_Cannabinoids</a>


These cannabinoids interact with eachother. You ingest different percentages of these cannaboids using different methods of smoking or other forms of ingestion such as oral ingestion. In theory different methods of smoking (the same strain) could produce small differences in effect.

We all know there is a major difference between smoking and oral ingestion. Why not small differences between different methods of smoking?

Although it could all be placebo..? :shrug:





All I am trying to say today is that your mind plays the biggest factor in how cannabis will effect you. I never once said that different types of bud don't produce different highs.

This sums up what I think:

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mattzdope said:
I'm just very adamant on this subject due to my own personal experience with cannabis. When my mind was in a good place none of the variables you mentioned mattered. (quality, indica, sativa, mature, premature) The only thing that varied due to those variables was how high I got and whether it felt more like a couch-lock stone or a get the fuck up and do something stone. Never experienced any form of anxiety/paranoia when I was in a good state of mind, it actually helped to deal with my natural shyness. :cool: :heart:




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Re: quit smoking weed yesterday [Re: Herbus]
    #5606310 - 05/08/06 07:35 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Take somebody who is a happy go lucky person and enjoys smoking. This person has never experienced anxiety/paranoia while smoking, EVER. He thoroughly enjoys smoking.

Now this person goes through some shit and become depressed, anxious, and all around negative.

Now when he smokes it's a dark paranoid place, not the happy go lucky stoned he experienced before.

Do you believe this is due to the quality of the bud/percentages of cannabinoids/ indica or sativa dominant/and whatever the fuck else you want to throw in, or is it due to his own mental health?


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Re: quit smoking weed yesterday [Re: THE KRAT BARON]
    #5608578 - 05/09/06 12:33 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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Re: quit smoking weed yesterday [Re: missmush]
    #11706629 - 12/23/09 02:51 PM (14 years, 1 month ago)

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missmush said:
well its good to know I'm not alone,i thought i was the only person that wasn't fixated by cannabis. Don't get me wrong I think its a wonderful herb, but for certain people. I use to smoke it like 24/7, thats all i ever wanted to do was get high. After awhile though it just made me feel very strange, I was alot more paranoid, i couldn't socialize anymore, actually kind of depressed me and the biggest thing was that I was thinking to much about everything and that never does anyone any good. Now the only time i like to smoke is by myself to get my creative juices flowing :smile:

So to anyone that wants to quit good luck!





You and I were going through the exact same thing.  I've been smoking for the past few years everyday and now i feel like it's catching up to me.  Socializing with people seems to have become a problem, I am constantly tired and i just don't flow like i used to.  I never know what to say to people, i feel like i have no emotion, i don't really care about anything.  I've been wanting to quit for a while now but all of my friends burn, so everytime they call me they want to roll something up, so it's hard not to when my closest friends constantly do.  But i have been cutting down and aim to stop since i feel that the constant smoking has something to do with the problems i have been dealing with.


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Re: quit smoking weed yesterday [Re: Big Worm]
    #11706634 - 12/23/09 02:52 PM (14 years, 1 month ago)

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Re: quit smoking weed yesterday [Re: Beanhead]
    #11706697 - 12/23/09 03:01 PM (14 years, 1 month ago)

:jah:  :bigjoint:  :gethigh:  :ganja:  :happyweed:  :getstoned:  :baggy:  :toke:  :bouncysmoke:


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Re: quit smoking weed yesterday [Re: Apostle]
    #11706776 - 12/23/09 03:13 PM (14 years, 1 month ago)

Three and a half years down the road... I think PreparationH is toking again, ain't he?


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Re: quit smoking weed yesterday [Re: Apostle]
    #11706819 - 12/23/09 03:22 PM (14 years, 1 month ago)

my biggest problem with marijuana is that it makes me over-analyze everything and for that reason i only smoke around people i'm tight with usually or save it for the end of the day....

i have a hard time smoking weed and going into college for example where everyone is sober- makes me too paranoid sometimes if im not having a really good day  ...


I look at weed almost like an introspection thing-  my best tokes are probably late at night or if its a really nice day or a good setting that can dramatically effect the high -  i think  the paranoia effect  common though...

my high's are always different but i've cut down my usage for this reason- i still love marijuana though, don't think i can give up her benefits...  best way imo to unwind at the end of the day-  also for people having trouble with their high's i believe smoking a small amount can actually produce a better high then smoking 5 bong hits...  this seems to make a big difference  :leaf:    but if you're social anxiety gets too out of hand- then simply stop...  i  meditate my thoughts anytime they  get anxious..  if you tell yourself that 'anxiety doesn't exist'  then it wont  :scrambled:   


Edited by skatealex2 (12/23/09 03:23 PM)


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Re: quit smoking weed yesterday [Re: skatealex2]
    #11706825 - 12/23/09 03:23 PM (14 years, 1 month ago)

You know what the best part is about being stoned?

Sitting on a bus stoned out of your mind and wondering if people notice :awehigh: sometimes I really don't know where to look when I've taken drugs/am stoned


Edited by Beanhead (12/23/09 03:24 PM)


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Re: quit smoking weed yesterday [Re: Entropymancer]
    #11706991 - 12/23/09 03:46 PM (14 years, 1 month ago)

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Three and a half years down the road... I think PreparationH is toking again, ain't he?



Yea, I took a pretty long break from smoking after this post was made and actually had no reason to blaze again.  My brother moved back to the area from across the country and I had told him I stopped smoking because all it did was burn me out and made me ok with being bored(which is true in MY case.)  He pretty much laughed in my face and said "No shit, look at the bud that flows through this city" 

So what's he do?  He makes his own set up and grew a random seed I had in a drawer in my bedroom.  It came out the best weed I've yet to smoke, yellow hairs, moist with thc, actually gave me a buzz that I enjoyed. and the best part: FREE.  That was some amazing weed.  One thing lead to another and he got involved with some woman I don't really approve of and she has a kid and my brothers taken the responsible rout and stopped growing because of the kid.  I've given up on weed in my area because once I tasted actually GOOD bud that was 100% free, I just can't go back. 

All the marijuana here is some compacted and dried out that it's so harsh, I could go on but it just isn't ever worth the money/my lungs deserve better.

I much more recently have been ingesting weed brownies with the weed around here, a group of us throw in for a half pound which runs us $650-700.  The problem was my attitude and the quailty of weed, I was smoking crap and expecting bang.


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Re: quit smoking weed yesterday [Re: skatealex2]
    #11706994 - 12/23/09 03:47 PM (14 years, 1 month ago)

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my biggest problem with marijuana is that it makes me over-analyze everything and for that reason i only smoke around people i'm tight with usually or save it for the end of the day....

i have a hard time smoking weed and going into college for example where everyone is sober- makes me too paranoid sometimes if im not having a really good day  ...


I look at weed almost like an introspection thing-  my best tokes are probably late at night or if its a really nice day or a good setting that can dramatically effect the high -  i think  the paranoia effect  common though...

my high's are always different but i've cut down my usage for this reason- i still love marijuana though, don't think i can give up her benefits...  best way imo to unwind at the end of the day-  also for people having trouble with their high's i believe smoking a small amount can actually produce a better high then smoking 5 bong hits...  this seems to make a big difference  :leaf:    but if you're social anxiety gets too out of hand- then simply stop...  i  meditate my thoughts anytime they  get anxious..  if you tell yourself that 'anxiety doesn't exist'  then it wont  :scrambled:   





Really? I smoke before class probably about 60% of the time. It depends on what the class is, but I study high, and test high. Another semester of A's and B's. Then again, cannabis helps sitting for 3 hour classes.

I really couldn't care less, I don't look like a stoner or act like one. Granted I am one. Regardless, a bit of cologne or a smoke, and some visine, and one is good to go :thumbup:


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Re: quit smoking weed yesterday [Re: OrganizedChaos]
    #11707048 - 12/23/09 03:56 PM (14 years, 1 month ago)

You have good points...  it can work well for me before classes that have open minded discussions like abnormal psychology altho  truthfully it also can help with some of the less interesting ones...


guess for me it really depends on the day and class....  set and setting basically  :yesnod:


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Re: quit smoking weed yesterday [Re: skatealex2]
    #11707088 - 12/23/09 04:04 PM (14 years, 1 month ago)

Eh, I smoke daily, so its really nothing beyond my realm of normal.

Certain classes I wouldn't, same thing with operating machinery when your really stoned (minus cars, golf carts). Last thing one needs to do is loss a limb.


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Re: quit smoking weed yesterday [Re: OrganizedChaos]
    #11707114 - 12/23/09 04:07 PM (14 years, 1 month ago)

I just re-read every post in here, I must say, my mentality back then and today are pretty much the same.  Weed just isn't my drug of choice and when I wrote in this thread I had Just figured it out.  I had tripped 2 times in my life and was saying I think I'd probably trip for the rest of my life also.  Two mushrooms trips and I was stuck here, 40+ mushroom and 3.5 years later, a little experimentation with LSD and salvia, mushrooms are still my drug of choice. 

Many people say it all the time but this website has taught me so much.  From interacting with like minded people to gaining confidence in myself through learning to cultivate from scratch.  I couldn't have done it without you guys.  Plus, what other website members gives you the fine advice about ladies: DSHSB! seriously :smile:



I'm coming up to my 5 year mark on this website and it doesn't look like you will see me gone any time soon.  I've grown up with shroomery as part of my life and have been urging Ythan for a shroomery tapestry(CMON already!) to show my respects to a website that literally has shaped me into the man I am today. 

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