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Re: Thermite Caused the WTC to Fall? [Re: Rose]
    #5642342 - 05/17/06 03:51 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

"If there was enough GASOLINE to burn for three months (a unique scent, I assure you) I believe the fire was indeed hot enough to melt metal."

It is chemically impossable for jet fuel to burn hot enough to melt steel of that caliber.


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Re: Thermite Caused the WTC to Fall? [Re: barfightlard]
    #5642388 - 05/17/06 04:01 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

You keep saying that.

You can talk in one hand and spit in the other, and see which gets full first.

Is jet fuel hot enough to burn?

Is an airplaine flying at full speed, at the time of impact, going to cause SOME damage to the support structure of the WTC, BEFORE it starts burning?

Were there OTHER combustable things inside the WTC that could burn or melt from Jet Fuel?

Could ANYTHING ELSE burning inside the WTC burn hot enough to melt steel?

Surely the science of steel is easy to research. How 'bout provding some Non-conspiracy links to your limited stack of evidence?

Oh, and answer the questions from my last post.


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Re: Thermite Caused the WTC to Fall? [Re: barfightlard]
    #5642391 - 05/17/06 04:01 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

"caliber"???????


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Re: Thermite Caused the WTC to Fall? [Re: Rose]
    #5642416 - 05/17/06 04:07 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Any link I give to you that isn't official or from Popular Mechanics is automatically labelled conspiracy and automatically thought to be false.....


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Re: Thermite Caused the WTC to Fall? [Re: barfightlard]
    #5642457 - 05/17/06 04:17 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Dude, the science of steal is universal. The whole world agrees about its properties. You don't need conspiracy links to provide for us the science of steel. Everybody agrees about how steel works, and how fires burn.

Provide some solid info... provide some universal scientific links... please.

'Till you do, I'll take the word of Pattie, my steelworker buddy who actually cut the WTC steel... over your limited and faulty links.

And, answer my questions.


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Re: Thermite Caused the WTC to Fall? [Re: Rose]
    #5642491 - 05/17/06 04:24 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

cervantes--to ask why they would fly planes into the buildings instead of just demolishing the building could be the dumbest question I have heard on here. How bout an aliby for the buildings falling, how bout a spectacle for the country to watch? How bout a reason for our global empire to start.


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Re: Thermite Caused the WTC to Fall? [Re: barfightlard]
    #5642779 - 05/17/06 05:27 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

For the 50th time, the steel wouldn't have to melt, just be significantly weakened so that it could no longer bear the load it was under.


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Re: Thermite Caused the WTC to Fall? [Re: barfightlard]
    #5642904 - 05/17/06 05:52 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

> It is chemically impossable for jet fuel to burn hot enough to melt steel of that caliber.

Your statement, as presented, is false.  It is certainly possible for jet fuel to burn hot enough to melt steel.  The key word is "chemically".  Given sufficient oxygen, it is possible to melt steel with jet fuel.  To be accurate, one should state that at STP (standard temperature and pressure) it is impossible for jet fuel, freely burning in air, to melt steel.

> For the 50th time, the steel wouldn't have to melt, just be significantly weakened so that it could no longer bear the load it was under.

I don't disagree, but wrong debate.  :grin:  They are talking about the molten "steel" found during the removal of the rubble, not about the cause of collapse. (At least, I hope, otherwise my answer will make no sense...)


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Re: Thermite Caused the WTC to Fall? [Re: Viveka]
    #5642911 - 05/17/06 05:53 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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EvilEye? said:
For the 50th time, the steel wouldn't have to melt, just be significantly weakened so that it could no longer bear the load it was under.




and burning jet fuel wouldnt have been takin into concideration when the towers were designed to take multiple jet airliner impacts?


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Re: Thermite Caused the WTC to Fall? [Re: barfightlard]
    #5643046 - 05/17/06 06:25 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

> and burning jet fuel wouldnt have been takin into concideration when the towers were designed to take multiple jet airliner impacts?

... actually, it was. The original tower designs were designed to withstand the impact of the planes of the era. Of course, planes have gotten a bit larger, faster, and certainly hold more fuel to extend their range (and speed). Engineering has also gotten much better; mistakes could have easily been made.


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Re: Thermite Caused the WTC to Fall? [Re: barfightlard]
    #5643107 - 05/17/06 06:42 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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and burning jet fuel wouldnt have been takin into concideration when the towers were designed to take multiple jet airliner impacts?



That really doesn't matter. First of all, what Seuss said. Secondly, were the buildings designed to withstand the impact of a jet clipping the building by accident, or the impact of a fully fueled passenger airliner flown directly into it at full speed? You don't know and neither do I. The engineers might have said "Well, we're supposed to make these towers airplane impact resistant but I'm not so certain that with our current schematics they could withstand a large airliner loaded with jet fuel being flown directly into them on purpose. Well, at least they'll most likely withstand an accidental clipping." But see what I'm doing? I'm speculating, therefore nothing I'm asserting has any real relevance in determining what actually occured. Speculation is all the designers would have had to go an as well. Even if the towers were designed to be resistant to an intentional hit like the one that occured, that doesn't necesarilly mean they were. It would be impossible to test the intentional jet liner impact resistance of a scyscraper, therefore the engineers would have to give it their best and hopefully never have to worry about wether their design was inadequate.


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Re: Thermite Caused the WTC to Fall? [Re: Viveka]
    #5643260 - 05/17/06 07:17 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

> First of all, what Seuss said.

... actually, there was a mistake in what I said. The plane that the towers were designed to survive and the planes used were fairly close in specs. Engineers also make mistakes. Just because they designed the towers to survive an impact does not mean that the design was correct. Very good point.


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Re: Thermite Caused the WTC to Fall? [Re: Seuss]
    #5643381 - 05/17/06 07:41 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Its official,
the 9/11 tragedy, will become just as infamous as the JFK assassination theories...........


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Re: Thermite Caused the WTC to Fall? [Re: Seuss]
    #5643932 - 05/17/06 09:56 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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> First of all, what Seuss said.

... actually, there was a mistake in what I said. The plane that the towers were designed to survive and the planes used were fairly close in specs. Engineers also make mistakes. Just because they designed the towers to survive an impact does not mean that the design was correct. Very good point.




Actually Seuss, you are close.

Each tower was constructed to withstand the IMPACT of a plane that size (and they DID), but not the ensuing fire.


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Re: Thermite Caused the WTC to Fall? [Re: barfightlard]
    #5643940 - 05/17/06 09:58 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Sorry, I'm really drunk and haven't read through the posts in this thread, just the title. What kind of termites were these?


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Re: Thermite Caused the WTC to Fall? [Re: Skeptikos]
    #5645739 - 05/18/06 10:11 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

> What kind of termites were these?

Nano termites that eat metal instead of wood. (Just kidding).

Thermite, not termite. Thermite is a mixture of oxidized iron (rust) and aluminum. It is very difficult to ignite, but once it starts, it is very difficult to put out. The aluminum reduces the iron oxide creating aluminum oxide gas and molten iron. The reaction is very violent, spewing molten metals everywhere as large volumes of white aluminum oxide gas are released.


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Re: Thermite Caused the WTC to Fall? [Re: David_vs_Goliath]
    #5647394 - 05/18/06 07:01 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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How bout an aliby for the buildings falling, how bout a spectacle for the country to watch?




That makes no sense.

You don't need airplanes to add spectacle to watching the world's TWO tallest buildings collapse (something that had never happened before).

Plus the "Spectacle" of the airplaines gave tens of thousands of people time to escape.

Don't make no sense.


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Re: Thermite Caused the WTC to Fall? [Re: Rose]
    #5648438 - 05/18/06 11:28 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

actualllly the buildings were not built that long ago. They were finished in 1970 and 1973 respectivly. The planes that crashed into the world trade center were built in the same "era" as you argued against. They were Boeing 767's which were being manufactured in the 70's. Get your facts straight before you try to bullshit us.


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Re: Thermite Caused the WTC to Fall? [Re: David_vs_Goliath]
    #5648696 - 05/19/06 12:43 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Uh...

I said nothing about when the buildings were built, nor did I mention when the airplanes were built. I never argued against any era. I have my facts straight... as far as I know.

And, sorry dude, but you didn't even get YOUR facts straight... while you demanded it of me.

Here's some free info.

The two jets used in the attack, UA 175 and AA 77, were Boeing 767-222's.

The Boeing 767-222 series flew its first commercial flight in 1982. So, if the airplanes used in the attack were the OLDEST 767-222 series EVER (which they weren't) they would've been built in the in the '80's... not the '70's like you claim.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boeing_767-222

But what do I know...?

If you are going to nitpick facts, get your reply button etiquette straight, and respond to the proper posts.

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Re: Thermite Caused the WTC to Fall? [Re: Phred]
    #5649183 - 05/19/06 05:52 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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Phred said:
If the best you can do is whine about being misunderstood, maybe it's time to concede defeat and move on.


Yeah, I guess that's what it's all about for you and Seuss and the like: "win" the thread no matter what. Maybe this kind of arguing can win you a court case, but this is no trial, it's an internet forum where everyone is left to judge for themselves on the base of their personal impressions of the thread. There's no jury calling "victory" of "defeat". So I don't care to "win" this at all, I guess everyone can make up their mind from what's been argued in this thread and others (and from the way different people choose to argue).

[I know, this signs my final defeat  :grin:]

:bye:


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