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Re: Chavez... gotta love the guy [Re: Aldous]
    #5619908 - 05/12/06 01:09 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Everyone seems shocked by the fact that Chavez uses state television to his own benefit. I think it's only normal in a climate of fierce antigovernment propaganda by the private corporate media (which represent 95% of the media in the country) that he would use the tools he's got to counter that. Of course, in the US, you cannot imagine that since almost all media are corporate and some of them act as government propagandists. While Chavez uses his state TV for six hours on end per week, Fox does the job for Bush 24/7. In the US a large proportion of the media are with the government, or at least not playing a very critical role, and all of them operate in a community of values with the ruling system. In Venezuela, Chavez is trying to break the old system of class rule by the top 20% of the population (who own the commercial media). Thus the media have values opposed to the government's, to the point that they cheer at antidemocratic forces seizing power. It's only normal that the government would have at least one media outlet to express their views. That's what governments do, openly or covertly.

This is a very real problem. With media ownership in the hands of a few corporate CEO's any government that strays from an obedient neoliberal, free-market party line is going to be crucified every day. How do you handle a politically motivated media that is totally representative of the needs of a handful of CEO's rather than the population of the country?


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Re: Chavez... gotta love the guy [Re: Alex213]
    #5619916 - 05/12/06 01:13 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

You don't, you either ignore the problem or you bitch about it constantly, either way, you do nothing to change it.


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Re: Chavez... gotta love the guy [Re: EquilibriuM]
    #5619923 - 05/12/06 01:16 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Good point. I guess the media bias has utterly failed anyway, otherwise the people wouldn't be voting in Chavez.


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Re: Chavez... gotta love the guy [Re: Silversoul]
    #5620175 - 05/12/06 05:03 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Thanks for the link.

I don't have any problem whatsoever with repression of defamation and libel. It's a democratic tool, as I pointed out before. You could argue against jail sentences in this kind of matter, but that's due to the specific situation. The corporate media don't care about fines, they're filthy rich. If an individual journalist risks a jail sentence, he will think twice and get his facts straight.

I'm willing to admit that the laws against "disrespect" for the president and other officials are more problematic. But then, I'm sure you don't realize what the private media in Venezuela had come to. Fox News is a quality channel, genuinely fair and balanced, compared to the average Venezuelan commercial TV channel.
Whatever political Chavez takes, they never comment it on a political level. Rather, they invite a psychiatrist to comment about which aspect of the president's madness accounts for the new measure (not joking!!). They also regularly insult him on a racial basis (he's half Indian), etc. There's never any political comment, only personal attacks based on lies and insult, 24/7. Yet Chavez never reacted by outright censorship, which is strange for an "authoritarian dictator". Never was a single journalist arrested, harrassed or otherwise obstructed. After all these years of insult, he's finally taken a legal move in order to enforce a minimum of dignity. While I don't approve of this kind of measure, I deem it completely understandable.

Final remark: the Western media don't even have to be actively biased about Chavez. They "naturally" consider anything the local private media say more trustworthy than what the state channel would have to say. So most of what is said about Chavez in the West originates from Venezuelan private media, which probably hold a world record of media bias along with North-Korean state media, maybe.


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Re: Chavez... gotta love the guy [Re: Alex213]
    #5620715 - 05/12/06 10:45 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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Everyone seems shocked by the fact that Chavez uses state television to his own benefit. I think it's only normal in a climate of fierce antigovernment propaganda by the private corporate media (which represent 95% of the media in the country) that he would use the tools he's got to counter that. Of course, in the US, you cannot imagine that since almost all media are corporate and some of them act as government propagandists. While Chavez uses his state TV for six hours on end per week, Fox does the job for Bush 24/7. In the US a large proportion of the media are with the government, or at least not playing a very critical role, and all of them operate in a community of values with the ruling system. In Venezuela, Chavez is trying to break the old system of class rule by the top 20% of the population (who own the commercial media). Thus the media have values opposed to the government's, to the point that they cheer at antidemocratic forces seizing power. It's only normal that the government would have at least one media outlet to express their views. That's what governments do, openly or covertly.

This is a very real problem. With media ownership in the hands of a few corporate CEO's any government that strays from an obedient neoliberal, free-market party line is going to be crucified every day. How do you handle a politically motivated media that is totally representative of the needs of a handful of CEO's rather than the population of the country?




The problem with media these days is the same problem there is with politicians. Media outlets are business ventures, so they can not take the chance of alienating potential viewers. This means that they have to create a "one-size-fits-all" form of news, which mostly ends up being worthless. More money and man-hours are being put towards soft news like human interest pieces. I remember during Hurrican Katrina that CNN did this huge piece on the pets left behind when the people fled their homes. This is a perfect example of the garbage that is monopolizing the news outlets these days.

If anything, the outlets are taking the consumers into account way too much, not too little.


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Re: Chavez... gotta love the guy [Re: Redstorm]
    #5621187 - 05/12/06 12:43 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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If anything, the outlets are taking the consumers into account way too much, not too little.


Quite right about that, even though you forgot to involve the advertisers and the shareholders in the picture.

In a country like the US, "the consumers" means a large majority of the people.
In a country like Venezuela, "the consumers" is a much more elitist concept.


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Re: Chavez... gotta love the guy [Re: Aldous]
    #5621590 - 05/12/06 03:16 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Yeah, you're definitely correct about the readership in Venezuela. I was thinking about the US, and didn't even think about things like literacy rates.


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Re: Chavez... gotta love the guy [Re: Redstorm]
    #5621649 - 05/12/06 03:33 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Literacy rate: 93% (2003 est.)

http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0108140.html


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Re: Chavez... gotta love the guy [Re: Silversoul]
    #5623203 - 05/12/06 10:53 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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Silversoul said:
J. Edgar Hoover was colorful and joyous? Sure coulda fooled me.



The mafia has(or had) proof of his color and joy.


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