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    #5598507 - 05/06/06 06:31 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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Re: Why does the US jail small time drug users? [Re: dr_gonz]
    #5598513 - 05/06/06 06:32 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

too bad mexico couldnt get it passed.. that shit sucked.. im sure there was a level of political pressure put on by the united states.. and i agree with u.. its retarded.. however its impossible to have small time drug users without dealers


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    #5598516 - 05/06/06 06:34 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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Re: Why does the US jail small time drug users? [Re: dr_gonz]
    #5598524 - 05/06/06 06:36 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

good point.. didnt think about that.. lol.. i was more thinking along the lines of having it regulated and controlled by the govt.. duh.. im an idiot


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    #5598527 - 05/06/06 06:37 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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Re: Why does the US jail small time drug users? [Re: dr_gonz]
    #5598532 - 05/06/06 06:39 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

agreed.. that would be awesome if everyone could be their own cultivator.. althou for more exotic drugs.. cocaine, heroin, mdma, lsd.. u would still need to rely on drug dealers, im sure it would be more dangerous to have a bunch of people preparing their own batches of lsd and shit


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Re: Why does the US jail small time drug users? [Re: dr_gonz]
    #5598595 - 05/06/06 07:02 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Because pot smokers are a scourge upon society.


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Re: Why does the US jail small time drug users? [Re: RandalFlagg]
    #5598619 - 05/06/06 07:08 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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Why does the US jail small time drug users?




Because cops need to add more checkmarks next to their name for the month.


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Re: Why does the US jail small time drug users? [Re: Newbie]
    #5598621 - 05/06/06 07:09 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

I don't think a lot of people even understand the jail and prison problem in the US.

It's sad...


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Re: Why does the US jail small time drug users? [Re: theuser]
    #5598774 - 05/06/06 07:55 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

and the tax dollars that go along with the jail and prison problems.


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Re: Why does the US jail small time drug users? [Re: Banez]
    #5598789 - 05/06/06 08:01 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

I really don't understand why we're wasting money on crowding jails with small-time users. Hopefully, we'll see state-by-state decriminalization over the coming years in the U.S. as the fucking politicians grow some balls and do what's rational. I'm not holding my breath, but, fuck, people don't go driving and crashing into people on LSD because they're too busy laughing or staring at the cat.


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Re: Why does the US jail small time drug users? [Re: GnuBobo]
    #5598802 - 05/06/06 08:08 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

the US are dicks about pot...move to Canada my friend, we only get a $140 fine if we get caught...and it doesnt go on your criminal record.


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Re: Why does the US jail small time drug users? [Re: DrunkenAttempt]
    #5598807 - 05/06/06 08:09 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

the US would make soo much money if that was their policy.. like they just gave u a ticket for doing it in public or being publicly under the influence.. that would actually be a good point to rally around.. it would keep the use limited to homes and safe environments.. or atleast aim to


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Re: Why does the US jail small time drug users? [Re: Banez]
    #5598822 - 05/06/06 08:17 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Becuause the United States of Christianity does not permit any other poison besides alcohol :smile:.


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Re: Why does the US jail small time drug users? [Re: Elemicin]
    #5598828 - 05/06/06 08:18 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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Re: Why does the US jail small time drug users? [Re: Elemicin]
    #5598837 - 05/06/06 08:20 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

it's one of the main reasons prisons are being over-populated


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Re: Why does the US jail small time drug users? [Re: DrunkenAttempt]
    #5598844 - 05/06/06 08:23 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

It's not reform. It's torture. Just fucking kill them don't torture them for 40 years in a cage.


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Re: Why does the US jail small time drug users? [Re: theuser]
    #5626122 - 05/13/06 08:32 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

for lsd, you need a graduates in chemistry... people already try to make low grade crap out of their garages... Legalizing it would push them out and create an outlet for clean LSD... You are right.. There are some people out there that can't handle concepts brought on by hallucinagens and should not take it... LSD addiction is possible over incredibly long periods of prolonged use and possibly irresponsible viewers could destroy their minds....


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Re: Why does the US jail small time drug users? [Re: Sour_D]
    #5626133 - 05/13/06 08:34 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

I just would just love to be able to get clean 25 whenever I wanted.. lol


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Re: Why does the US jail small time drug users? [Re: Sour_D]
    #5626138 - 05/13/06 08:35 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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Re: Why does the US jail small time drug users? [Re: dr_gonz]
    #5626144 - 05/13/06 08:37 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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Re: Why does the US jail small time drug users? [Re: dr_gonz]
    #5626154 - 05/13/06 08:39 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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Why does the US jail small time drug users?





Don't you know? Drugs are bad, so therefor we should jail drug users and get rid of the problem. :smirk:

Yeah, people are stupid and don't understand the law of intended consquences- your basic reflex reaction at work.


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Re: Why does the US jail small time drug users? [Re: Newbie]
    #5626220 - 05/13/06 08:52 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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dr_gonz said:
Why does the US jail small time drug users?




Because cops need to add more checkmarks next to their name for the month.




Good point. Some cops would lose their jobs if there weren't as many dumbass drug laws (the "prison-instustrial complex".)

To quote Dylan:

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Re: Why does the US jail small time drug users? [Re: monamine]
    #5626269 - 05/13/06 09:01 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

from what I read, the states get around 20-25 thousand dollars a year per inmate. Believe me, it's nothing more than a warehouse of convicts, it doesn't cost near that much to house them and feed them. From what I hear, after buying food wholesale they spend around .50 to 1.00 a meal per inmate, unless your in a federal resort like martha stewart, that comes to 3.00 a day for food. Most have to buy their own soap etc so lets say maybe they spend 8 dollars a day per inmate coming to $2920 a year, per inmate. I've heard many prisons carry 3000+ inmates so if you consider that, 25,000 dollars a year for 3,000 inmates would be $75,000,000. If it took $2920 a year per inmate it would come to $8,760,000 in costs, this would be plenty to maintain a facility that acts as nothing more than a factory to harden criminals. Prison is big business, dont let anyone tell you otherwise.

Take this in: The us contains 5% of the worlds population, yet it contains 25% of the WORLDS PRISON POPULATION.

I can't say I'm not surprised considering simple drug offenders can be labeled felons for the rest of their life this makes them unable to gain good employment, vote, or most importantly protect their familys home with a firearm. The don't give a shit if your family has their throats cut in your own house if your a felon, you cant own or even hold a gun to protect your family, or face 15 years. It's no surprise they go back to a life of crime. It's almost as if they are no longer citizens. Many don't get second chances. The system has no understanding for drug addiction, the truth is most addicts relapse an average of 7 times (after rehab) before finally being able to quit. Tell that to your probation officer when you fail your drug test, I am sure he/she will understand. :rolleyes:


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Re: Why does the US jail small time drug users? [Re: grimR]
    #5626304 - 05/13/06 09:09 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Yeah man, that shit is totally a business. It's fucking sick. :thumbdown:

I've only been to jail once (just overnight), and it was for a minor drug offense. By the time I paid my bond, "rehab" costs, and a "donation" (LOL...part of my probation), it probably set me back a good two grand.

*projectile vomits*


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Re: Why does the US jail small time drug users? [Re: monamine]
    #5626311 - 05/13/06 09:11 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Prohibition = black Market = high profits = crime/violence = Public uproar = government spending = happy lobbyists = re-election.


This is your government.  This is your government on a power trip.  Any questions?

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Re: Why does the US jail small time drug users? [Re: DieSpectra]
    #5626320 - 05/13/06 09:12 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

move to Canada...soon as all the old people die everything will be legal


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Re: Why does the US jail small time drug users? [Re: DieSpectra]
    #5626323 - 05/13/06 09:12 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

If only Joe Dumbfuck understood this...


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Re: Why does the US jail small time drug users? [Re: monamine]
    #5626354 - 05/13/06 09:19 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

another thought: most police departments have a quota to meet for arrests each month. Knowing this, why would they want to stop crime or even slow it down, they don't want to lose their jobs. The whole system is an endless cycle with no end in sight


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Re: Why does the US jail small time drug users? [Re: grimR]
    #5626368 - 05/13/06 09:22 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Nice quote in your sig grimR
Ever heard this one? It's even stronger.

The Constitution of the United States is a law for rulers and people, equally in war and peace, and covers with the shield of its protection all classes of men, at all times, and under all circumstances. No doctrine involving more pernicious consequences was ever invented by the wit of man than that any of its provisions can be suspended during any of the great exigencies of government. Such a doctrine leads directly to anarchy or despotism." -- The Supreme Court of the United States, 1866


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Re: Why does the US jail small time drug users? [Re: grimR]
    #5626373 - 05/13/06 09:22 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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another thought: most police departments have a quota to meet for arrests each month. Knowing this, why would they want to stop crime or even slow it down, they don't want to lose their jobs. The whole system is an endless cycle with no end in sight




To be fair I don't think they actually have a numerical quota to meet. However, they do have superiors that will bitch if it's "a slow month".


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Re: Why does the US jail small time drug users? [Re: DieSpectra]
    #5626384 - 05/13/06 09:25 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Are you familar with the history of drug laws? The original drug laws in America were actually tax laws (Harrison Narcotics Act) in theory because it was deemed unconstitional to outright ban substances. Wonder what happened to that?


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Re: Why does the US jail small time drug users? [Re: monamine]
    #5626408 - 05/13/06 09:29 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Yeah... And the founding fathers violently rebelled over a tea tax. Now look at us... They would be ashamed.


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Re: Why does the US jail small time drug users? [Re: DieSpectra]
    #5626648 - 05/13/06 10:15 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Speaking of founding fathers...
“The spirit of resistance to government is so valuable on certain occasions that I wish it to be always kept alive.”
- thomas jefferson

“If once the people become inattentive to the public affairs, you and I, and Congress and Assemblies, Judges and Governors, shall all become wolves. It seems to be the law of our general nature, in spite of individual exceptions.”
- Thomas Jefferson

“A society that will trade a little liberty for a little order will lose both, and deserve neither”
- Thomas Jefferson

"Guard against the impostures of pretended patriotism."
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“Whenever the people are well-informed, they can be trusted with their own government.”
- Thomas Jefferson

Some great quotes you can associate with any form of government regardless of it being US based.


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Re: Why does the US jail small time drug users? [Re: grimR]
    #5626671 - 05/13/06 10:23 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

What country before ever existed a century & half without a rebellion? & what country can preserve its liberties if their rulers are not warned from time to time that their people preserve the spirit of resistance? Let them take arms... The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots & tyrants.
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    #5626723 - 05/13/06 10:38 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

That's another one of my favorites


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Re: Why does the US jail small time drug users? [Re: grimR]
    #5626830 - 05/13/06 11:07 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Man this thread is the shit. Beyond the preaching to the choir, which is nice to hear every now and than, I got a lot of material here to put on some T-shirts.
Especially that jail statistic from grimR.


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    #5626849 - 05/13/06 11:13 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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Re: Why does the US jail small time drug users? [Re: dr_gonz]
    #5626882 - 05/13/06 11:24 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Don't worry about Mexico's drug laws. I reached the drinking age their when I could afford a drink and I never had to bribe a cop more than $20 US to get out of any drug offence.


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Re: Why does the US jail small time drug users? [Re: grimR]
    #5626980 - 05/13/06 11:56 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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I can't say I'm not surprised considering simple drug offenders can be labeled felons for the rest of their life this makes them unable to gain good employment, vote, or most importantly protect their familys home with a firearm.





With taking away your right to vote being the one they really LOVE.

Now you have no say in any votes to make it legal......


That's the main reason it will NEVER be voted in......they took away the voting rights of the people who want it legal.


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Re: Why does the US jail small time drug users? [Re: niteowl]
    #5627001 - 05/14/06 12:04 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Its been said but prisons are an industry nowadays. Legalizing not only takes away jobs but more importantly is basically an admittance that the government was wrong/lying to the people for the last 55+ yrs, the latter reflecting the truth more clearly. The government has been conditioning/prejudicing people (take your pick of terms) against drug users for quite some time now with no end in sight.


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Re: Why does the US jail small time drug users? [Re: dr_gonz]
    #5627009 - 05/14/06 12:06 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Why does the US jail small time drug users?

It's all about money. If you have money for a good attorney, chances are you will not do any jail time or you might just walk outright. The court will be pleased that you spent a couple of grand on one of thier friends and you will get a pretty sweet deal, or walk.

If you don't have the money you will not even make bond to begin with and will have to sit until your trial date and settle with a P.D.

Money walks and evrything else just sits and wait.


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Re: Why does the US jail small time drug users? [Re: dr_gonz]
    #5627026 - 05/14/06 12:12 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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Why does the US jail small time drug users?






It's all about the $$$$$


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Re: Why does the US jail small time drug users? [Re: Roadkill]
    #5627041 - 05/14/06 12:16 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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dr_gonz said:

Why does the US jail small time drug users?






It's all about the $$$$$




It is a capitolist society after all, everything is about the money  :grin:

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Re: Why does the US jail small time drug users? [Re: Gratos]
    #5628031 - 05/14/06 11:03 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Just thought I'd chime in, you guys forgot one of the most important quotes!! It is as follows:

"If a law is unjust, a man is not only right to disobey it, he is obligated to do so."
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Re: Why does the US jail small time drug users? [Re: dr_gonz]
    #5628075 - 05/14/06 11:12 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Its called the Government WHORE HOUSE!

They found a way to make "much needed" money on it. If they were to stop they would have to take a pay cut, and noone wants a pay cut only pay raises.

DARE takes the inocent and makes them go oooo what is this... making a few of the group go right into the system a few years down the road.

There are dangerus drugs and their are drugs. Heroin and barbituates are bad mmk. Pot and a few others drugs never killed people, just stupid people kill people.


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