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Re: Why does the US jail small time drug users? [Re: dr_gonz]
#5626144 - 05/13/06 08:37 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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dr_gonz said: US drug laws are wiggity wack
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Re: Why does the US jail small time drug users? [Re: dr_gonz]
#5626154 - 05/13/06 08:39 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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dr_gonz said: Why does the US jail small time drug users?
Don't you know? Drugs are bad, so therefor we should jail drug users and get rid of the problem. 
Yeah, people are stupid and don't understand the law of intended consquences- your basic reflex reaction at work.
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Re: Why does the US jail small time drug users? [Re: Newbie]
#5626220 - 05/13/06 08:52 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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dr_gonz said: Why does the US jail small time drug users?
Because cops need to add more checkmarks next to their name for the month.
Good point. Some cops would lose their jobs if there weren't as many dumbass drug laws (the "prison-instustrial complex".)
To quote Dylan:
It's a shame to live in a society where justice is a game.
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Re: Why does the US jail small time drug users? [Re: monamine]
#5626269 - 05/13/06 09:01 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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from what I read, the states get around 20-25 thousand dollars a year per inmate. Believe me, it's nothing more than a warehouse of convicts, it doesn't cost near that much to house them and feed them. From what I hear, after buying food wholesale they spend around .50 to 1.00 a meal per inmate, unless your in a federal resort like martha stewart, that comes to 3.00 a day for food. Most have to buy their own soap etc so lets say maybe they spend 8 dollars a day per inmate coming to $2920 a year, per inmate. I've heard many prisons carry 3000+ inmates so if you consider that, 25,000 dollars a year for 3,000 inmates would be $75,000,000. If it took $2920 a year per inmate it would come to $8,760,000 in costs, this would be plenty to maintain a facility that acts as nothing more than a factory to harden criminals. Prison is big business, dont let anyone tell you otherwise. Take this in: The us contains 5% of the worlds population, yet it contains 25% of the WORLDS PRISON POPULATION.
I can't say I'm not surprised considering simple drug offenders can be labeled felons for the rest of their life this makes them unable to gain good employment, vote, or most importantly protect their familys home with a firearm. The don't give a shit if your family has their throats cut in your own house if your a felon, you cant own or even hold a gun to protect your family, or face 15 years. It's no surprise they go back to a life of crime. It's almost as if they are no longer citizens. Many don't get second chances. The system has no understanding for drug addiction, the truth is most addicts relapse an average of 7 times (after rehab) before finally being able to quit. Tell that to your probation officer when you fail your drug test, I am sure he/she will understand. 
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Re: Why does the US jail small time drug users? [Re: grimR]
#5626304 - 05/13/06 09:09 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Yeah man, that shit is totally a business. It's fucking sick. 
I've only been to jail once (just overnight), and it was for a minor drug offense. By the time I paid my bond, "rehab" costs, and a "donation" (LOL...part of my probation), it probably set me back a good two grand.
*projectile vomits*
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Re: Why does the US jail small time drug users? [Re: monamine]
#5626311 - 05/13/06 09:11 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Prohibition = black Market = high profits = crime/violence = Public uproar = government spending = happy lobbyists = re-election.
This is your government. This is your government on a power trip. Any questions?
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Re: Why does the US jail small time drug users? [Re: DieSpectra]
#5626320 - 05/13/06 09:12 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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move to Canada...soon as all the old people die everything will be legal
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Re: Why does the US jail small time drug users? [Re: DieSpectra]
#5626323 - 05/13/06 09:12 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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If only Joe Dumbfuck understood this...
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Re: Why does the US jail small time drug users? [Re: monamine]
#5626354 - 05/13/06 09:19 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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another thought: most police departments have a quota to meet for arrests each month. Knowing this, why would they want to stop crime or even slow it down, they don't want to lose their jobs. The whole system is an endless cycle with no end in sight
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Re: Why does the US jail small time drug users? [Re: grimR]
#5626368 - 05/13/06 09:22 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Nice quote in your sig grimR Ever heard this one? It's even stronger.
The Constitution of the United States is a law for rulers and people, equally in war and peace, and covers with the shield of its protection all classes of men, at all times, and under all circumstances. No doctrine involving more pernicious consequences was ever invented by the wit of man than that any of its provisions can be suspended during any of the great exigencies of government. Such a doctrine leads directly to anarchy or despotism." -- The Supreme Court of the United States, 1866
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Re: Why does the US jail small time drug users? [Re: grimR]
#5626373 - 05/13/06 09:22 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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grimR said: another thought: most police departments have a quota to meet for arrests each month. Knowing this, why would they want to stop crime or even slow it down, they don't want to lose their jobs. The whole system is an endless cycle with no end in sight
To be fair I don't think they actually have a numerical quota to meet. However, they do have superiors that will bitch if it's "a slow month".
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Re: Why does the US jail small time drug users? [Re: DieSpectra]
#5626384 - 05/13/06 09:25 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Are you familar with the history of drug laws? The original drug laws in America were actually tax laws (Harrison Narcotics Act) in theory because it was deemed unconstitional to outright ban substances. Wonder what happened to that?
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Re: Why does the US jail small time drug users? [Re: monamine]
#5626408 - 05/13/06 09:29 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Yeah... And the founding fathers violently rebelled over a tea tax. Now look at us... They would be ashamed.
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Re: Why does the US jail small time drug users? [Re: DieSpectra]
#5626648 - 05/13/06 10:15 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Speaking of founding fathers... “The spirit of resistance to government is so valuable on certain occasions that I wish it to be always kept alive.” - thomas jefferson
“If once the people become inattentive to the public affairs, you and I, and Congress and Assemblies, Judges and Governors, shall all become wolves. It seems to be the law of our general nature, in spite of individual exceptions.” - Thomas Jefferson
“A society that will trade a little liberty for a little order will lose both, and deserve neither” - Thomas Jefferson
"Guard against the impostures of pretended patriotism." - George Washington
“Whenever the people are well-informed, they can be trusted with their own government.” - Thomas Jefferson
Some great quotes you can associate with any form of government regardless of it being US based.
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Re: Why does the US jail small time drug users? [Re: grimR]
#5626671 - 05/13/06 10:23 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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What country before ever existed a century & half without a rebellion? & what country can preserve its liberties if their rulers are not warned from time to time that their people preserve the spirit of resistance? Let them take arms... The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots & tyrants. -Thomas Jefferson
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Re: Why does the US jail small time drug users? [Re: DieSpectra]
#5626723 - 05/13/06 10:38 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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That's another one of my favorites
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Re: Why does the US jail small time drug users? [Re: grimR]
#5626830 - 05/13/06 11:07 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Man this thread is the shit. Beyond the preaching to the choir, which is nice to hear every now and than, I got a lot of material here to put on some T-shirts. Especially that jail statistic from grimR.
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Re: Why does the US jail small time drug users? [Re: dr_gonz]
#5626882 - 05/13/06 11:24 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Don't worry about Mexico's drug laws. I reached the drinking age their when I could afford a drink and I never had to bribe a cop more than $20 US to get out of any drug offence.
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Re: Why does the US jail small time drug users? [Re: grimR]
#5626980 - 05/13/06 11:56 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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grimR said: I can't say I'm not surprised considering simple drug offenders can be labeled felons for the rest of their life this makes them unable to gain good employment, vote, or most importantly protect their familys home with a firearm.
With taking away your right to vote being the one they really LOVE.
Now you have no say in any votes to make it legal......
That's the main reason it will NEVER be voted in......they took away the voting rights of the people who want it legal.
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