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If matter cannot be created or destroyed...
    #5598338 - 05/06/06 05:39 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

"You are a sacred being of light,
Projected into reality for a purpose,
Demand the right to your moment,
In this holographic gift with no rules, no borders,
Except for those who you choose to accept and live by"

...Kottonmouth Kings - Peace not Greed


Are we just recycled planet waste? I mean when a life is created, it's not really created per se, it's just put there; taken from the planet's stock of extra recycled parts and rearranged to make a new person.

This kind of stems from my sig but it's been bothering me a lot lately. I know that your ego is what makes you you, and what gives you "existence". I know it but I don't understand it. I don't remember what it's like to not exist, before I was born, and I can't fathom how when you die everything just goes away. All a brain consists of is atoms, yet it allows you to feel like you "are". How do you just pop out of nothing, learn to "be" then have it all taken away again. What is the point of us being here if we're not staying. Is our existence benefitting anything? What's so special about this place I'm in now and what, if else is there besides this? I'm not asking for an answer, I'm just thinking out loud. Anyone else know what I mean?


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Re: If matter cannot be created or destroyed... [Re: Newbie]
    #5598352 - 05/06/06 05:44 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

What's so special about this place I'm in now

Nothing and everthing. See?

You aren't going to be able to answer these questions in the way you want answers. Get used to that. :grin:


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" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
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Re: If matter cannot be created or destroyed... [Re: Newbie]
    #5598357 - 05/06/06 05:44 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

I know that your ego is what makes you you, and what gives you "existence".

This is what the ego thinks...

I don't remember what it's like to not exist

Exactly!


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Re: If matter cannot be created or destroyed... [Re: Newbie]
    #5598422 - 05/06/06 06:04 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

one explanation is richard dawkins' book "the selfish gene"


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Re: If matter cannot be created or destroyed... [Re: moog]
    #5598429 - 05/06/06 06:05 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Quote:

moog said:
I know that your ego is what makes you you, and what gives you "existence".

This is what the ego thinks...

I don't remember what it's like to not exist

Exactly!




:grin: I know that's an obvious contradiction, but everything feels too real.  Real is what we percieve, but if the majority of the human race percieves blue as blue, hot as hot, up as up, etc.. I mean we all have a general understanding of what real is, but its not real.  It IS a holographic world of atoms that we percieve as a universe filled with all 5 senses, and society is grasped on the fairy tale. 

I wish for one day, at the exact same time, every single human being would go into a psilocybin induced ego-loss.  Guaranteed walls would come down and everyone would be in a "holy shit what we're we thinking" kind of state.


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Re: If matter cannot be created or destroyed... [Re: Newbie]
    #5598494 - 05/06/06 06:27 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

I wish for one day, at the exact same time, every single human being would go into a psilocybin induced ego-loss. Guaranteed walls would come down and everyone would be in a "holy shit what we're we thinking" kind of state.

You might think so. I used to. Not now. Human perceptions have a great variance, you might find a lot of folks reaching for the nearest religion to calm things down. Look at all the acid that got dropped in the 60s and 70s. Many of those folks are paranoid republicans now, and for others it changed the face of reality more in the way you're thinking. The way you see things is unique to you and no one will ever see things quite the way you do. In the end if you really want to use your own path you will have to do it mostly without the blessing of your fellow humans.


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" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
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Re: If matter cannot be created or destroyed... [Re: Icelander]
    #5598649 - 05/06/06 07:19 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

I know a lot of young people who have been stupid and primitive before psychadelics and have remained after.
You can not find anything with psychadelics that you haven't had in your all the time.

drugs help you to discover aspects of yourself, they don't bring anything new into you that wasnt there, they are just chemicals, the magic is in you

And if you are a stupid violent idiot to begin with, that is all you will find in a trip

I know some won't agree with this, those who think that
majority of people are simply asleep and can be awakened, but I think a lot of people are a simple as what you see on the surface, like a dog is often just that what you see, a flee infested, fluffy animal that likes to drink from the toilet.


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I command your very souls you unbelievers
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Re: If matter cannot be created or destroyed... [Re: Newbie]
    #5598765 - 05/06/06 07:52 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

What you need to do is look at yourself in the quantum sense. I recently proved that we don't exist by using calculus and basic chemistry ideology. Supposedly some guy did it in the early 20th century; however, I do not know his name. In essence we do not exist, the earth does not exist, the moon, stars, gasses, comets, aliens, Saddam Hussein. They are all a depiction of the mind/soul. Pretty weird when you think about it. It is just one of those mysteries of life, if quantum chemistry has any sort of bearing. Peace


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Re: If matter cannot be created or destroyed... [Re: EmptySpace]
    #5598795 - 05/06/06 08:04 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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What you need to do is look at yourself in the quantum sense. I recently proved that we don't exist by using calculus and basic chemistry ideology. Supposedly some guy did it in the early 20th century; however, I do not know his name. In essence we do not exist, the earth does not exist, the moon, stars, gasses, comets, aliens, Saddam Hussein. They are all a depiction of the mind/soul. Pretty weird when you think about it. It is just one of those mysteries of life, if quantum chemistry has any sort of bearing. Peace




Any links to some online reading about that? The math part bogs me down but the philosophy really intrigues me.


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Re: If matter cannot be created or destroyed... [Re: OldWoodSpecter]
    #5600428 - 05/07/06 08:57 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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OldWoodSpecter said:
You can not find anything with psychadelics that you haven't had in your all the time.




I seriously doubt this statement. Each experience is an oppurtunity that changes us. We don't go through life having within us what we always have, we constantly interact with reality to produce new experience.

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And if you are a stupid violent idiot to begin with, that is all you will find in a trip




Once again, I doubt this. Who is to say what will happen? I am to be considered a positive person with a lot of self-esteem. On my last trip, after having my perceptions opened much further and having realized that my conceptions of myself as being aware and of conducting my life effectively were unfounded, I began to intensely hate myself. I cursed the fact that I sought to become so aware, and I wanted nothing more than to take it back.

I understand that role reversal can be common with high doses of psychadelics. :wink:

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I know some won't agree with this, those who think that
majority of people are simply asleep and can be awakened, but I think a lot of people are a simple as what you see on the surface, like a dog is often just that what you see, a flee infested, fluffy animal that likes to drink from the toilet.




Everyone has the potential to change; this is a natural fact. It requires interaction, it relies on variables that may never be aligned in a manner that will produce the specific change, but it is possible. We are all on a path to higher awareness, regardless of whether or not that awareness is realized.

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Peace. :mushroom2:


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I wouldn't fear
For I've never known completeness
Like being here
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Re: If matter cannot be created or destroyed... [Re: fireworks_god]
    #5600454 - 05/07/06 09:14 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Everyone has the potential to change; this is a natural fact. It requires interaction, it relies on variables that may never be aligned in a manner that will produce the specific change, but it is possible. We are all on a path to higher awareness, regardless of whether or not that awareness is realized.

:thumbup:


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" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

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