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shrooms growing on side of casing... too much light?
    #5597410 - 05/06/06 10:26 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Hi guys
I have a nice casing but them little shroomies are growing on the sides of my casing... as shown in the picture below. What could possibly be the reason? I was thinking of too much light exposition. It is well over 12 hours and that might be the reason they are growing on sides, where they get less light. What do you think?
In the picture it looks like there is a huge gap between the plastic tray and the casing, but that's not the case, it's me stretching the case to get the picture. Actually there is about 0.5 cm between caing and plastic. Help pleeeease!!! Thanks guys!


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Re: shrooms growing on side of casing... too much light? [Re: cupevampe]
    #5597439 - 05/06/06 10:35 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Yup Those are definatly from getting light down the side. They'll be ok. May reduce the yield a little gut nothing noticible.


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Re: shrooms growing on side of casing... too much light? [Re: cupevampe]
    #5597455 - 05/06/06 10:46 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

That's not caused by the amount of light, it's caused because that area is exposed to light.


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Re: shrooms growing on side of casing... too much light? [Re: FooMan]
    #5597466 - 05/06/06 10:54 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

I understand the area might be exposed to light but if so, why the shroomies are only getting out on the sides? I mean, they will eventually come out on top, but only 3-4 days later than those on sides.
Furthermore, this happens to me all the time. Shrooms come out from side before than from the top.
I dunno what to do.
I don't leave gaps between casing and tray.
Yet, it seems a tiny space is created because the casing shrinks a bit...
What can i do? is anyone affected by this issue?


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Re: shrooms growing on side of casing... too much light? [Re: cupevampe]
    #5597477 - 05/06/06 11:01 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

They're fruiting there because that's the best environment for them to fruit. It has little to do with light. Light is always going to spill down the sides as the substrate shrinks. Remember, you also had light on the top and it didn't pin there. Light is only ONE of the pinning triggers, but is probably not even the most important one. Perhaps your casing layer ph is off? Also, if you mist and then put the lid on right away where the water can't evaporate, it can cause primordia to abort before you ever see them. The sides of your substrate are protected from the mister. What casing method/materials and ph control did you use?
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Re: shrooms growing on side of casing... too much light? [Re: cupevampe]
    #5597481 - 05/06/06 11:03 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

from what ive heard the small area created between the casing and the tray by shinkage creates a perfect mico-enviorment. next time you case line your tray with tin foil first. as the casing shrinks it will pull the foil with it and fix your problem


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Re: shrooms growing on side of casing... too much light? [Re: headbig]
    #5597482 - 05/06/06 11:05 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

NO. The mycelium will eat holes in the foil as it 'digests' it. Heavy metals are transferred to the fruitbodies. Aluminum causes brain damage, and has been implicated in Alzhimers. Don't use it.
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Re: shrooms growing on side of casing... too much light? [Re: RogerRabbit]
    #5597483 - 05/06/06 11:05 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Of the things you mentioned, the humidity factor seems the most likely to me.
Indeed i can see little drops on the casing top.
Thing is, i don't usually mist that much, as perlite keeps the humidity quite high by itself.
How could I rectify this issue?


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Re: shrooms growing on side of casing... too much light? [Re: cupevampe]
    #5597495 - 05/06/06 11:10 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

RR i still see people saying to use it and still see it regularly in pics. if this is true i think alot more people need to know


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Re: shrooms growing on side of casing... too much light? [Re: cupevampe]
    #5597504 - 05/06/06 11:13 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

You don't need perlite in a rubbermaid with cased bulk substrates. They'll provide the humidity on their own. If condensation is forming on the lid, it might be dripping back down on the casing layer, screwing things up. Pins can usually take misting if allowed to dry afterwards, but water droplets falling on them hit like a machine gun. What's your casing material and ph control? That is my first guess of what's wrong. Your fruits are down low on the sides of the substrate completely avoiding your casing layer, even on the sides.
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Re: shrooms growing on side of casing... too much light? [Re: RogerRabbit]
    #5597510 - 05/06/06 11:17 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

My casing material is cococoir+vermiculite mixed with limestone (does this answer your ph question too?)
So you say i should not use the perlite?
Do u think its best if i remove it and just mist a few times a day?


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Re: shrooms growing on side of casing... too much light? [Re: cupevampe]
    #5597856 - 05/06/06 02:28 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

That's most likely why it fruited on the sides. cococoir has as much food for mushrooms as manure, so the mycelium colonized it like substrate. It then fruited in the most desirable spot. If the top of your tray is fully colonized, that's probably what happened. Not to worry. The fruits off the sides should be very good, and sometimes they turn out to be monsters.

As for the aluminum, I've been saying that for a long time. Look at a tray after even a single flush. It will have holes rotted all the way through. It just makes me wonder where all that aluminum went? I only use black plastic trays. You can get glad plastic baking trays at the grocery store, and just keep using them project after project. If you want larger bulk trays, kitty litter boxes work very well.
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Re: shrooms growing on side of casing... too much light? [Re: RogerRabbit]
    #5597914 - 05/06/06 02:52 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Thank you RR!
Just another question. Do you suggest to remove the perlite? Use less perlite? Or use moss peat to keep humidity?


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Re: shrooms growing on side of casing... too much light? [Re: cupevampe]
    #5598189 - 05/06/06 04:52 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

well... maybe as the caseing shrinkins.... you can add verm mix with what ever you use...
maybe that can prevent shrooms groing from the sides...
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Re: shrooms growing on side of casing... too much light? [Re: vescudero0]
    #5600091 - 05/07/06 03:30 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

This might be a good idea but in my case it would have worsened the state of my casing, not capable of pinning on top due to high humidity. i guess.


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Re: shrooms growing on side of casing... too much light? [Re: cupevampe]
    #5600108 - 05/07/06 03:43 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Why did you use a buffer? Coco coir is rather neutral, as is verm...:confused:

Perhaps your Ph is off :shrug:

As for the kity litter boxers..:shocked:...Damn...What a great idea :smirk:....

But what would hold something that heavy? I didn't know martha's were the strong...

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Re: shrooms growing on side of casing... too much light? [Re: IGnosticAbhorI]
    #5600133 - 05/07/06 04:16 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

I used limestone because i read about it in some tek...anyway didnt use too much... and the issue really seems to be the humidity thing


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Re: shrooms growing on side of casing... too much light? [Re: cupevampe]
    #5600140 - 05/07/06 04:25 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Well if it had ANYTHING to do with humidity ONTOP of your casing you'd have little pools of water...Which you haven't said Anything about...

Unless you mean the cracks where the Rh was great...

Looks like you got a pinset on the SIDE of the casing before the top side...Probably b/c myc. was good to go ready on the side, whereas the casing layer wasn't.

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Re: shrooms growing on side of casing... too much light? [Re: IGnosticAbhorI]
    #5600690 - 05/07/06 10:49 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Not pools of water, but rather big drops yes!
Sorry for my ignorance but... what do "Rh was great" and "b/c myc" mean?


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Re: shrooms growing on side of casing... too much light? [Re: IGnosticAbhorI]
    #5601050 - 05/07/06 01:29 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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Why did you use a buffer? Coco coir is rather neutral, as is verm...:confused:

Perhaps your Ph is off :shrug:

As for the kity litter boxers..:shocked:...Damn...What a great idea :smirk:....

But what would hold something that heavy? I didn't know martha's were the strong...

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FYI coir is by no means near neutral (pH 7.0) it can vary as low as 5.7 or lower up to 6.3 or slightly higher on average. As casings age the casings become more acidic through metabolic by-products so even coir will benefit from buffers (FACT). As far as pinning on the sides it is mainly due to a microclimate more conducive to fruiting and the fact the myc is exposed to light as well.


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