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Hand_of_Nog
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Incubation really necessary?
#5597231 - 05/06/06 09:03 AM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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I think I read in a thread somewhere that incubating the jars only increases the growth rate a tad bit, so it's more or less the same. Is this true? I started a redboy and OI LC and I plan on inoculating lots of jars, and I don't want to have to deal with building a bigger TiT to accomodate them; I'd rather just have them lying around the room.
I don't even feel like incubating my casings; I plan on doing all bulks from now on so they just self incubate.
Any thoughts?
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Re: Incubation really necessary? [Re: Hand_of_Nog]
#5597245 - 05/06/06 09:12 AM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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it's not needed unless you live somewhere really cold (and even so most people keep their houses warm somehow anyway)
incubation might help things along but it's not neccery in any way!
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Roadkill
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Re: Incubation really necessary? [Re: Hand_of_Nog]
#5597276 - 05/06/06 09:30 AM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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81 to 84 degrees F. will colonize jars much faster than lower temps.
If you don't want to build an incubator...
put your jars on top of your waterheater, or your frig, or freezer.
I have a friend that puts his jars in the cabinet over his frig...
that works too.
tc
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ohmatic
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Re: Incubation really necessary? [Re: Roadkill]
#5597281 - 05/06/06 09:32 AM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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or just heatbomb them babies
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SDP
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Re: Incubation really necessary? [Re: ohmatic]
#5597319 - 05/06/06 09:49 AM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Depends on your houst temp. You want the air temp around the jars to be that optimal 81-84. You can try taking a tub, putting your stuff in it, and putting the cap on top with a blanket over it. (make sure you drill holes underneath the lip of hte tupperware, for airflow).
Lots of jars\casings do self-regulate... once you have a perpetual system setup for a bulk grow, you should reach a crescendo where there self-containg warmth of the jars incubate themselves.
All in all, after having used to grow some of the dankest green in the area, and now tryin shrooms, what makes the quality difference is all the extra attention to detail... we are VERY scientific in how we treat the growth of any organism, makes for optimal growth + yield + potency... And to be scientific you need a extrenal device to help you more strictly regulate your scientific enviroment. But if you can manage to colonize at a good speed (10 days in quart sized rye jars..... you are doing bulk right? grain is king) without wasting money on extra equipment, more power to ya. Good luck!
I use 2 TiT, one for jars, one for casings. Jars ready in 10 Days Casings in 4-5 Word
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Edited by SDP (05/06/06 09:51 AM)
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RogerRabbit
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Re: Incubation really necessary? [Re: SDP]
#5597358 - 05/06/06 10:06 AM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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People have heard me say this for years, but for the new folks who haven't heard it yet: Of course jars will colonize faster at 80F to 84F. However, a quart jar of rye berries will finish colonization within three weeks at 70F, or within ten to 14 days at 84F. I guess it all depends on how much of a hurry you're in, and we all know this isn't a hobby for the impatient. In my opinion, the few days to a week you'll gain by using an incubator isn't worth the possibility of overheating and cooking your jars.
If you'll start a batch of jars once per week, after a month, you'll have steady flushes, and as long as you start a new batch every week, you'll be picking fruits every week, incubator or not, and you won't be in here posting what to do if your thermostat stuck and your incubator reached 95F.
As for bulk subs, I would recommend against any type of incubator as they'll build their own heat during colonization. RR
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Roadkill
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Re: Incubation really necessary? [Re: ohmatic]
#5597360 - 05/06/06 10:07 AM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Quote:
ohmatic said:
or just heatbomb them babies
no thank you!~
I'd rather have a TIT incubator than a peice of shit heatbomb...
my brother!~

lolzz
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Re: Incubation really necessary? [Re: Roadkill]
#5597382 - 05/06/06 10:15 AM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Quote:
Roadkill said:
Quote:
ohmatic said:
or just heatbomb them babies
no thank you!~
I'd rather have a TIT incubator than a peice of shit heatbomb...
my brother!~

lolzz
Ouch! 
Besides, the whole point of the original poster asking was because he didn't want to make another incubator.
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Roadkill
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Re: Incubation really necessary? [Re: FooMan]
#5597385 - 05/06/06 10:16 AM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Quote:
Besides, the whole point of the original poster asking was because he didn't want to make another incubator.
Exactly!~
at least you read his post!~
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hyphae
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Re: Incubation really necessary? [Re: Roadkill]
#5597448 - 05/06/06 10:42 AM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Bottom line incubating at 82-86F. isn't necessary but it makes the temp drop pinning trigger that much more effective for those who are concerned with optimizing your grows. I for one was born to grow and fine tune everything within my ability.
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Hand_of_Nog
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Re: Incubation really necessary? [Re: hyphae]
#5597785 - 05/06/06 01:54 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Thanks guys. I think I'm just gonna incoluate a few jars every week or so, and eventually not have to worry about incubating. I think I see lots of clumps of myc in both my LC's after eight hours =)
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