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InvisibleLakefingers

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I have an acquaintance...
    #5597101 - 05/06/06 07:28 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

...that works in a psychiatric ward. We'll call this person "Jill". Jill has vague and typically (typical in relation to the anti-drug propaganda one gets at school and from the streets) outlandish ideas about psychedelics.

Jill is desparate to quit working, hates her job, and wants to get away "to anywhere else". She recently told me that if she ever kills herself she is going to take all her money, spend it on heroin and then take her life at the end of a weeklong heroin-binge.

As soon as she told me this I asked why she wanted to take her life. She said, "I don't want to. It's just if..." And so I probed that a bit; I asked why there is even an "if" of killing yourself. I settled with her insisting "it's only IF".

I asked her why she wanted to do heroin. She said it seemed like the best. I told her that I know people that have done heroin, some of them more than once. I also told her she'd probably realize the meaning with life by the end of that week and become a nihilistically blissful heroin-addict. She said, that might happen. She didn't like me challenging her whim.

Her eyes stared into mine as I question her suicide-experiment and I saw a desparate weakness. She must protect herself from psychedelics because she is afraid; she must talk about the things she really wants to do, because she is afraid.

I'm looking for your interpretations ...


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InvisibleFucknuckle
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Re: I have an acquaintance... [Re: Lakefingers]
    #5597219 - 05/06/06 08:57 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Sounds like your looking for a reason to get her stoned on shrooms to me...............



It also sounds like she is just venting her frustrations about life through what she feels is the worst thing a person could do to themselves............drugs.........In other words, if her life sucks so bad why not just suck at it all the way,I.E. become a drug addict and die.........


I'd say you should stop talking to her about drugs and start talking to her about a new job, what her dreams are, the things she is positive about, etc......That is what a friend would do.


Shrooms, LSD etc........these are not the answers to a persons problems. Psychedelics should only be used in enhanceing one's positive out look or positive position in life or to discover new paths when one is already on a good path. Not to solve one negative attitude..........Big mistake.


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InvisibleLakefingers

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Re: I have an acquaintance... [Re: Fucknuckle]
    #5597526 - 05/06/06 11:24 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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Fucknuckle said:
Sounds like your looking for a reason to get her stoned on shrooms to me...............





That is something to watch out for (introducing vs. pushing your ideology onto others), but there is no possibility of that I will ever ask her to take mushrooms or any other drugs. In fact, she doesn't know that I've tried pscyhedelics, because it hasn't come up other than through some external source to the conversation -- that's how I've discovered what she thinks about it.

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Fucknuckle said:
It also sounds like she is just venting her frustrations about life through what she feels is the worst thing a person could do to themselves............drugs.........In other words, if her life sucks so bad why not just suck at it all the way,I.E. become a drug addict and die.........





Yes, but I've seen it more like this: drugs are something that she likes, but she's not allowing herself to do it. Generally she's a person that doesn't do what she wants and that is why she hates her life. Plus, I was more curious about the pathology of the "before-I-kill-myself-I'm-going-to" that I've heard many sad people talk about.

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Fucknuckle said:
I'd say you should stop talking to her about drugs and start talking to her about a new job, what her dreams are, the things she is positive about, etc......That is what a friend would do.





I think this could easily become a pushing-my-ideology-onto-her. I'm not her friend yet, the only responsibility I have to her is the compassion I have for people I meet that are feeling like crap and want to change things. As I said above, I haven't mentioned drugs to her, other than that I don't think she should ever take heroin, even if she's going to kill herself. At the same time, if she was more stable, I'd ask: why don't you do it now, instead of fantasizing about it?

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Fucknuckle said:
Shrooms, LSD etc........these are not the answers to a persons problems. Psychedelics should only be used in enhanceing one's positive out look or positive position in life or to discover new paths when one is already on a good path. Not to solve one negative attitude..........Big mistake.




I disagree that there is any appropriate use for psychedelics. I disagree with the normativity and playing god there. The transcendent position is dead. My faith rests in the Dionysian aspect of psychedelics -- the release, whatever may come. Plus, drugs are no option for her (other than that she's a chain smoker, which probably contributes to her overall anxiety).

What is your opinion on her toying with the idea of suicide? I think this is because she doesn't take it seriously and doesn't take herself serious. It's a flaw of mental well-being that she has, a weakness, and would be non-present if she was committed to Life.


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Invisibleeligal
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Re: I have an acquaintance... [Re: Lakefingers]
    #5598049 - 05/06/06 03:50 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

i dont get it, whats the problem exactly?

she said something like, "if i ver kill myself ill do it after a week of heroine binging?"

im guessing you arent goin on about his... people say stuff like this all the time and arent actualyl considereing taking their life, its jsut a saying or whatever.


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InvisibleLakefingers

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Re: I have an acquaintance... [Re: eligal]
    #5600138 - 05/07/06 04:23 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Empty sayings aren't empty of emotions


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