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The Jefferson Bible
#5595420 - 05/05/06 07:30 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Thomas Jefferson was a very wise man.
he knew that those who are lacking in faith need the most help
he realized that the miracles in the bible made it unbelievable to the unfaithful
so he edited all the miracles out, and left only the teachings and philosophy of christ.
this was not an act of faithlessness, but rather an act of supreme faith
by making the gospel more believable to the faithless, jefferson extended his hand deep into the abyss, so that he might save the unbelievers
for tao is not only faithful to the faithful, it is faithful to the faithless. That's just how cool it is.
so, once again, tommy j, I tip my hat to you. Truly, you were one of god's angels, sent here by god to enlighten the people of earth.
and also to fuck black chix
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Re: The Jefferson Bible [Re: DoctorJ]
#5595429 - 05/05/06 07:33 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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and also to fuck black chix
I got to say, that sounds like a lot of fun.
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Re: The Jefferson Bible [Re: DoctorJ]
#5595446 - 05/05/06 07:36 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Sounds like Jefferson needed to correct God. If god really was the master behind the bible........why would Jefferson change anything ?
I guess his wisdom was far greater than the wisdom of God. How humble of him.
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Re: The Jefferson Bible [Re: Fucknuckle]
#5595474 - 05/05/06 07:42 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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no, he was not correcting god
he was making god more accessible to the people who needed god the most of all 
the truth is hard to handle all at once
the further in the ditch you are, the more you must take baby steps.
Edited by DoctorJ (05/05/06 07:43 PM)
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Re: The Jefferson Bible [Re: DoctorJ]
#5595483 - 05/05/06 07:44 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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How does Jeff know who needs god most of all? I think god knows that. Just ask fivepointer.
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Re: The Jefferson Bible [Re: Icelander]
#5595497 - 05/05/06 07:47 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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its pretty obvious who needs god the most of all
the faithless, the poor, the weak, the sick.
you think these people are going to read a book about a guy way better than them doing seemingly imposssible things, and come away feeling better about themselves? you think that the faithless will believe tall tales, even if they are true?
obviously, you've never been in the ditch.
the problem with the bible is that it gives Jesus too much credit that he didn't want.
the best way to save the faithless is to appeal to their sense of reason.
the miracles are not important. what is important is the Way.
Edited by DoctorJ (05/05/06 08:14 PM)
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Re: The Jefferson Bible [Re: DoctorJ]
#5595613 - 05/05/06 08:32 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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I would think the Pharisees would need god most of all.
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Re: The Jefferson Bible [Re: DoctorJ]
#5596039 - 05/05/06 10:20 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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The reason the miracles are in the testament is to demonstrate that Jesus was the Son of God, and that His power was infinite. Without them, the Bible would seem odd because it would appear to be just a doctrine of ancient philosophy along the likes of Pluto.
Taking out the miracles would also verdict that Jesus never resurrected, which is, IMO, the most important premise behind the Bible.
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Re: The Jefferson Bible [Re: Fospher]
#5596094 - 05/05/06 10:30 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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well, I'm not saying that the regular bible is wrong, or that the jefferson bible replaces it.
I'm simply saying that the jefferson bible is more useful in certain situations.
you do realize that jesus and jefferson were the same person, right?
people are always wondering when jesus will come back
he's been back many times
he hardly ever leaves!
Edited by DoctorJ (05/05/06 10:32 PM)
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Re: The Jefferson Bible [Re: DoctorJ]
#5596173 - 05/05/06 10:43 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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DoctorJ said: well, I'm not saying that the regular bible is wrong, or that the jefferson bible replaces it.
I'm simply saying that the jefferson bible is more useful in certain situations.
Seems like a strange censore made on some strange initiative that doesn't get it's point across. I can hardly see an atheist see the light by some chopped up version of the Bible missing the key ingredient.
It's like baking a cake without flour for someone on the Atkins diet. Yeah, it might have little carbs, but it doesn't mean it's good to eat.
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Re: The Jefferson Bible [Re: Fospher]
#5596301 - 05/05/06 11:09 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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some see the light as a quick flash
bang! and it is gone. they will soon forget what they saw.
but some people see the light in a more gradual lasting way
these people start out black. they see the light dimly at first
bright cannot exist without dim. the universe is not binary. it is analogue
hence, there must be stages of enlightenment
if you give someone too much light at once, it doesn't do much for them.
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Re: The Jefferson Bible [Re: DoctorJ]
#5596334 - 05/05/06 11:18 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Then these people are lacking morality, not faith. The Bible teaches both, but these concepts are integrated into each other - taking out one removes the other.
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Re: The Jefferson Bible [Re: Fospher]
#5596380 - 05/05/06 11:30 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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there is a long way from a sinner to God
should we expect the faithless sinner to make big leaps?
Or should we fill in the gaps, and make the Way smoother for him?
assuming that god is infinitely compassionate and forgiving, what do you think he wants?
do you think he wants it to be hard for people to get to him?
especially the people who need him most of all?
believe me, wherever there is tragedy, pain and suffering, god is deeply sorry that he could not be there to prevent it.
these are not idle words, for god feels the sorrows of all.
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Re: The Jefferson Bible [Re: DoctorJ]
#5596420 - 05/05/06 11:39 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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You sure ask a lot of questions in your post. 
Let me see if I can address most with a few words, then hit the sack.
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DoctorJ said: believe me, wherever there is tragedy, pain and suffering, god is deeply sorry that he could not be there to prevent it.
That statement would remove the principle of human free will. Besides, we, as humans, need sorrow and joy to appreciate existence.
A Bible with the Divine Acts and without are two different books. The latter, however, demonstrates little to none because it's missing the barebones of the premise. Another book on principles and morality would do a much greater good then a chopped Bible.
If a man is starving, dont toss him sugar cubes to suppress his hunger while holding off the meal to not kill his stomach. Give him a salad, but save the meal for tomorrow, letting his body benefit from the food.
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Re: The Jefferson Bible [Re: Fospher]
#5596438 - 05/05/06 11:47 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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"It's like baking a cake without flour for someone on the Atkins diet. Yeah, it might have little carbs, but it doesn't mean it's good to eat."
I tried that when I did Adkins. Flax seed cake sux.
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Re: The Jefferson Bible [Re: Fospher]
#5596494 - 05/06/06 12:03 AM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Fospher said:
That statement would remove the principle of human free will. Besides, we, as humans, need sorrow and joy to appreciate existence.
know this: god cherishes freedom as he cherishes his own divinity
you are correct that some humans need sorrow to appreciate existence
but god does not appreciate sorrow. he allows it to happen because thats what people want, and god's agendas are the people's intrests
but god does not like to see people suffer, nor does he like to see people inflict suffering.
at best, suffering is a necessary evil
at worst, suffering is a devourer of souls, a breaker of faith, and and a distraction from god's true nature
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