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How should I extract for use in capsules??
    #5595329 - 05/05/06 07:05 PM (18 years, 18 days ago)

Say I have a lb of some dry and potent as hell cubes. How hard would it be to extract the good stuff for use in capsules?

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Re: How should I extract for use in capsules?? [Re: Fungi_x]
    #5596120 - 05/05/06 10:34 PM (18 years, 17 days ago)

extractin for use in capsules is not a good idea...once you dehydrate the crystalized psilocybin into a powder form it will degrade rapidly. if you are going to extract keep it in liqid form and dose as a liquid...unless you spend hundreds of thousands to buy the equipment to make liquid gels...at which point id say your leaning twards dealing..and thats a big no-no around here...
if you wanna make capsules dont bother with extraction...just grind em up into powder and pack into capsules


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Re: How should I extract for use in capsules?? [Re: hIgHdRoLoVeR]
    #5596177 - 05/05/06 10:44 PM (18 years, 17 days ago)

I'm not looking to deal or make any money I just like dosing and my friends dosing like that :wink:

How would I hand out liquid psyclo to friends at festivals?

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Re: How should I extract for use in capsules?? [Re: Fungi_x]
    #5596196 - 05/05/06 10:48 PM (18 years, 17 days ago)

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Re: How should I extract for use in capsules?? [Re: Fungi_x]
    #5596244 - 05/05/06 10:57 PM (18 years, 17 days ago)

I've often wondered about this, with all the times (real and not) i've seen a dropper for liquid acid, it'd be sweet to have some real pure psilocybin in dropper form too. Any body ever do this for themselves/friends?


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Re: How should I extract for use in capsules?? [Re: Hrethic]
    #5596330 - 05/05/06 11:17 PM (18 years, 17 days ago)

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I've often wondered about this, with all the times (real and not) i've seen a dropper for liquid acid, it'd be sweet to have some real pure psilocybin in dropper form too. Any body ever do this for themselves/friends?




yah thats what peaked my intrest in psilocybin extraction...had a visene bottle full of acid and thought "man if only i could get shrooms like this"...
problem with psilocybin is...by the time you get it concentracted to where a cc or so holds a couple grams you start getting crystals forming at room temp...this would make dosing really hard so its not really a reliable way to do it at festivals and such...the liquid would need to be heated and shaken well to redisolve the crystalized psilo....
i would just grind em to powder..capsule them up...and carry them in a herbal suppliment bottle to the festival...the herbal suppliment bottles would hold 120 or more 00 caps..and thatd be enough to dose several people :grin:


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Re: How should I extract for use in capsules?? [Re: Hrethic]
    #5596403 - 05/05/06 11:34 PM (18 years, 17 days ago)

This is a very intersting subject latley people :stoned:
So much that geko has been following the extraction processes thead very closley and so far has disscoverd something. :eek:

Alot of people have wonderd about geting the psilosybin crystals and than drying for the sake of dosing.
But as you all know psyilocybin oxidises when air is exposed to it in crystal form, That led geko to LSD, And found out that the same thing happens to LSD aswell.

So from that the obious geko got thinking and thought, Why not use plain old fucking jelletin crystals from the supermarket if you wanted to make gell caps, Just keep dont add so much H2o to keep the rught consistancy.

Then simply and quickly weigh out your dry psylocybin crystals how ever much your using, (remembering once it is diluted each gell capsule is 1 dose)
Then use a syring to inject the gell into a capsule, Cod liver oil capsules would work, Just squeez the cod liver oil out and inject the jell into it.

Not sure how soluble psyilocybin crystals are in oily type substances, hhhmmm :rolleyes:
If it is soluble in oil of some sort it could be applied to blotting papper just like how those dudes make LSD.
Can any other shroomer get an idea of that in there head, Because it sounds like the salution to the problem when it comes to dosing. :eek:
How much is how potent percentige wise.
More on this soon :tongue:


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Re: How should I extract for use in capsules?? [Re: Snaggletooth]
    #5596404 - 05/05/06 11:35 PM (18 years, 17 days ago)

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How many "00" capsules holds a gram? About 4?

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Re: How should I extract for use in capsules?? [Re: shymanta]
    #5596948 - 05/06/06 04:18 AM (18 years, 17 days ago)

2. 1x00 capsule will hold between .4 and .7 grams.

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Re: How should I extract for use in capsules?? [Re: Darkenshroom]
    #5597043 - 05/06/06 06:48 AM (18 years, 17 days ago)

Judging by the number of caps on the scale 11, and the weight 3.5. it looks like 4 caps hold just under a gram.

I think that 2. 1x00 capsule will hold between .4 and .7 grams would be for something more dense than shrooms which is more like ash when it is ground up.


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Re: How should I extract for use in capsules?? [Re: Roker]
    #5597052 - 05/06/06 06:58 AM (18 years, 17 days ago)

I use 00 capsules and when ground up properly I can say that they roughly hold .4-.7 grams each. 5-7 capsules per 8th depending on how fine the powder was and how tightly packed I made them.

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Re: How should I extract for use in capsules?? [Re: Darkenshroom]
    #5597108 - 05/06/06 07:31 AM (18 years, 17 days ago)

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I use 00 capsules and when ground up properly I can say that they roughly hold .4-.7 grams each. 5-7 capsules per 8th depending on how fine the powder was and how tightly packed I made them.





You must pack them very tightly. I can only seem to get mine to about .3g Max, even when I tamp it down 2-3 times. Do you use a Cap em Quick type of filler?

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Re: How should I extract for use in capsules?? [Re: FooMan]
    #5597912 - 05/06/06 02:52 PM (18 years, 17 days ago)

Mainly the problem I found with capsule stuffing is people tend not to grind em fine enough. One you have them into a fine powder, and using a capsule machine (handheld type) I rarely get less than a half gram in them.

I used to only get about .2-.3 in per capsule (I started capsuling to eat long before I started Cult) then looking at my grinding methods I noted that I was grinding too large of pieces. To get a half gram or over you really need it to be a fine dust like powder.

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Re: How should I extract for use in capsules?? [Re: Darkenshroom]
    #5598625 - 05/06/06 07:10 PM (18 years, 17 days ago)

An extract can easily be made using ~95% ethanol (everclear) and a blender. Add dried or fresh mushrooms to the EtOH, blend and stick in the fridge for a few days. It is placed in the fridge to prevent any enzymatic breakdown of any 'desirables' although is it unlikely anyhow due to the ethanol. This suspension is then filtered through cheesecloth or coffee filter. the resultant blue-green tincture has the majority of your alkaloids. This can then be evaporated (at room temp) to yield a more concentrated product which could potentially be quite powerful by the capful, however it would be advised to dilute it as alcohol tends to burn on its way down.

Speculation: Add gelatin mix to the tincture and then evap EtOH until a hard or viscous residue remains which would retain the protected 'desirables.' The evap of ethanol/water is a slow process and this procedure would certainly be time consuming. Ideally evap would take place in an inert atmosphere (no O2).

IMO...make chocolates!

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Re: How should I extract for use in capsules?? [Re: Darkenshroom]
    #5598984 - 05/06/06 09:09 PM (18 years, 17 days ago)

Mine looks like powder when I'm done, but perhaps I should really inspect it for any little chunks. I'll see how it works out next go around. Thanks.

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Re: How should I extract for use in capsules?? [Re: DamnDamnDamn]
    #5599441 - 05/06/06 11:26 PM (18 years, 16 days ago)

Ok fellow extraction enthusiusts, Geko done a enthanol extraction on 60gms of dry Ps.Subaerginosa, One & a half litter's of ethanol were used over all.

1.Shrooms were dried to crispness and then crunched up as fine as posible.

2.Crunched up shrooms were placed in a beaker then half a litter of ethanol was added and then placed beaker in an oil bath a simmerd for 10 mins.

3.filtterd ethanol while still hot and collected the liqued.

4.About a quater of a litter of fresh ethanol was added to the fillterd shroom mash, And then it was placed back on the heat for another 10 mins and fillterd.

5.The last step was repetead once more,
Then all the fillterd liqued was combined and was fillterd once again while still warm through 6 coffee fillters.

Once a nice clear golden liqued was obtained the ethanol was boiled off a little bit more.

All up one & a half litter's of ethanol was used, And after reducing there was about 800ml to 900mls of ethanol that was placed in the frezer over night.

The resulting liqued is still freezing out crystals.
So pic's will be posted very soon. :wink:
Now is when a method for dossing is derived and put on bloting papper or maybee even gell capsule's.
HHMMMMM which one to make ???  :smirk: :tongue:


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Re: How should I extract for use in capsules?? [Re: geko127]
    #5600071 - 05/07/06 03:12 AM (18 years, 16 days ago)

nice work, geko. now you have maybe 20 doses, but 900ml of ethanol is a bit too much still: try a double boiler to reduce it down -

saucepan of water on the hob, inside this a second smaller saucepan with the 900ml in it. turn on the heat and raise it up slowly. the alcohol boils off at about 78C, well before the water gets to its 100C boiling point, so if you keep stirring it, that 900ml can be easily reduced down to a more manageable 100ml or so. i'd far rather tolerate a quick 5ml glug than have to drink 50ml of almost pure ethanol (apart from anything else, that's 2 alcohol 'units' and will affect your trip).


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Re: How should I extract for use in capsules?? [Re: shirley knott]
    #5600126 - 05/07/06 04:02 AM (18 years, 16 days ago)

I recommend you find yourself a distillation kit, along with a vacuum pump so you can bring that ethanol over at a lower temperature thus prevent decomposoition of the wanted extracts, Ethanol boils around 78'C. You could bring everything over at room temperature if u use a vacuum trap, an aspirator would even work.

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Re: How should I extract for use in capsules?? [Re: shirley knott]
    #5600166 - 05/07/06 04:49 AM (18 years, 16 days ago)

There is actuly 800mls of shroomachol(shroom alcohol HEHEHE) :laugh:
Now after seing how much crystal mass droped out, The shroom/ethanol in being reduced even further so that there will be around 50mls--100mls orthere abouts. :wink:
One other thing shirlyknot, Double boilers work good, But Oil baths work better :wink:, Espicly as swip likes to use proper lab glass when it comes to boiling solvents.
Anyway there must be a better way to make up dosses than sroom powder capsules Or adding the extracted psyilcon/psilosybin to a drink.
Like the following. :rolleyes:
Now the issue is how to portion it out in dosses :confused:
For example, Bloting it onto bloting papper, Or making gell capsuls :rolleyes:

Just trying to be a little more scincefetic about it :grin:


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Re: How should I extract for use in capsules?? [Re: geko127]
    #5600190 - 05/07/06 05:14 AM (18 years, 16 days ago)

Distilation equpiment hey,Maybee something like what this site and its members use ???
http://www.home-distilling.com/


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Re: How should I extract for use in capsules?? [Re: geko127]
    #5605524 - 05/08/06 04:07 PM (18 years, 15 days ago)

Cut it with gelatine and put it in some caps.


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Re: How should I extract for use in capsules?? [Re: geko127]
    #5606212 - 05/08/06 07:12 PM (18 years, 15 days ago)

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But as you all know psyilocybin oxidises when air is exposed to it in crystal form




Just treat it like a fine wine.


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Re: How should I extract for use in capsules?? [Re: Snaggletooth]
    #5606213 - 05/08/06 07:12 PM (18 years, 15 days ago)

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I like this.....






I'm very interested in bypassing stomach issues. I read that pure shit would make for a better trip.

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    #5610409 - 05/09/06 08:48 PM (18 years, 14 days ago)

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Re: How should I extract for use in capsules?? [Re: Tamadragon]
    #5611268 - 05/10/06 12:49 AM (18 years, 13 days ago)

My 00's always read right around .55 or so.

Grind to a fine fine powder and cap-m-quick it up. Works great.

When the time comes, empty whatever many into a glass with fresh lemon/lime juice and shoot it down. Dose controlled and all is good to go, no fuss or muss or extraction, but lots of controlled dosing benefits.


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Re: How should I extract for use in capsules?? [Re: Tamadragon]
    #5613740 - 05/10/06 05:05 PM (18 years, 13 days ago)

I crack them open into lemon juice and/or lime juice.
The capsuls for me are like controlled dosage storage.


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Re: How should I extract for use in capsules?? [Re: monstermitch]
    #5615062 - 05/10/06 09:49 PM (18 years, 13 days ago)

Yea but some shroomers dont like the feeling that wet or dry shrooms give,(upset tummy feeling).
Last night geko & his girl had about 10mls of concentrated shroom extract, And there was NO upset tummy feeling, Just a good very happy happy type feeling.


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Re: How should I extract for use in capsules?? [Re: geko127]
    #5655658 - 05/21/06 09:08 AM (18 years, 2 days ago)

i can usually fit just under a gram in 1 capsule. about .9 to be specific.

you need to get yourself a $10 coffee grinder from wally world, grind it up for 60 seconds, shake, repeat this process about 6 times to make sure it's all nice and powdery (ocd much?).

bust open a capsule, fill it up with the powder and push down with a clean eraser edge of a pencil. do this as many times as possible. with enough room left to close the capsule up. a few tries and you should get it right.

comes out to a lil less than a gram, like i said. my friends usually say 3 is all they can handle, but i like 4-5 :wink:


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Re: How should I extract for use in capsules?? [Re: FleaAccela]
    #5655969 - 05/21/06 11:38 AM (18 years, 2 days ago)

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i can usually fit just under a gram in 1 capsule. about .9 to be specific.

you need to get yourself a $10 coffee grinder from wally world, grind it up for 60 seconds, shake, repeat this process about 6 times to make sure it's all nice and powdery (ocd much?).

bust open a capsule, fill it up with the powder and push down with a clean eraser edge of a pencil. do this as many times as possible. with enough room left to close the capsule up. a few tries and you should get it right.

comes out to a lil less than a gram, like i said. my friends usually say 3 is all they can handle, but i like 4-5 :wink:




I grind to the finest powder possible and can only fit around .6 in each one.  I use 00 capsuls, what size do you use.
Never heard of .9 in a 00.


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Re: How should I extract for use in capsules?? [Re: monstermitch]
    #5656018 - 05/21/06 11:57 AM (18 years, 2 days ago)

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i can usually fit just under a gram in 1 capsule. about .9 to be specific.

you need to get yourself a $10 coffee grinder from wally world, grind it up for 60 seconds, shake, repeat this process about 6 times to make sure it's all nice and powdery (ocd much?).

bust open a capsule, fill it up with the powder and push down with a clean eraser edge of a pencil. do this as many times as possible. with enough room left to close the capsule up. a few tries and you should get it right.

comes out to a lil less than a gram, like i said. my friends usually say 3 is all they can handle, but i like 4-5 :wink:




I grind to the finest powder possible and can only fit around .6 in each one.  I use 00 capsuls, what size do you use.
Never heard of .9 in a 00.




lol, size 000 of course. makes everything sooooo much easier.


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Re: How should I extract for use in capsules?? [Re: FleaAccela]
    #5656023 - 05/21/06 11:59 AM (18 years, 2 days ago)

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Re: How should I extract for use in capsules?? [Re: FleaAccela]
    #5656071 - 05/21/06 12:15 PM (18 years, 2 days ago)

wow, I have some issues with big pills. I'm not a good pill popper. those 000's would be broken open into lemon juice for me.

good to know now what will fit into a 000.
I have a tamping device (cap-m-quick), I think I might just get a 000 now. Wonder if 1.0 will fit?

I'll use the 000 for cubes
and leave the 00 for pans.

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Re: How should I extract for use in capsules?? [Re: monstermitch]
    #5656424 - 05/21/06 01:43 PM (18 years, 2 days ago)

I just thought I'd mention that making chocolates is about the same amount of work (or less) as loading caps. It also has the benefit of not having to explain "what's in the pills" if someone sees you with them. The downside is that if you don't keep careful control over them or lose them, a kid might start eating them.


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Re: How should I extract for use in capsules?? [Re: fastfred]
    #5656526 - 05/21/06 02:19 PM (18 years, 2 days ago)

chocolate is a mild MAOI so that could be one benefit..

in my own experience i've made a crude extract by rapidly boiling fresh diced mushrooms for 1 minute in lemon+water and then simmering for about 10 or until the liquid is a dark goldish brown. strain off the fungi and continue to leave on the stove at the lowest heat setting until the water has almost completely evaporated, leaving a brown/black tar at the bottom of the pan. (takes about 12 hours). scrape up, mix with chocolate. store in freezer. voila.

but i suppose you could just put all that tar/muck/psilly mud in some capsules.

one question.. could one substitute gelatin crystals or cod liver oil with something not animal-based when mixing/constituting psilocybe crystals? i'm very much attracted by the idea of a liquid extract but not mixing it with dead animals..


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Re: How should I extract for use in capsules?? [Re: christ_house]
    #5656960 - 05/21/06 04:16 PM (18 years, 2 days ago)

Agar is a gelatin substitute made from kelp. You can get it straight powder or as vegan jello. They have both at my local health food store. They call it agar agar and vegetarian jello.


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Re: How should I extract for use in capsules?? [Re: fastfred]
    #5675692 - 05/26/06 01:37 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

The thing about doing vacumm distillation to prevent destroying the Psilocybin doesnt make sense.

Heres what i think, please discuss as I may be wrong though.

Your creating a vacumm, which means there is no atmospheric pressure on the atoms. Which means you dont need to add that extra heat to overcome the 14.7psi caused by the atmosphere.

So in essence you are lowering the boiling point of the solvent (this case ethanol), BUT you are also lowering the boiling point of Psilocybin are you not?

So by using a vacum, you would be lowering the point that Psilocybin gets damaged.

So you would be in the exact same situation as you were before the vacumm wouldnt you?

eg, for arguments sake, if Psilocybin was destroyed at exactly 78C (the temp ethanol boils at) now a vacum was added, and the ethanol now boils at 50C, wouldnt the Psilocybin now be destroyed at 50C?

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Re: How should I extract for use in capsules?? [Re: Ascension]
    #5676137 - 05/26/06 07:15 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

When a molecule is broken down, it is the intramolecular bonds (bonds between atoms in the molecule) that breaks. Heat affects this, but pressure do not, at least not to any appreciable amount.

When a substance goes from liquid to gas phase, it is the intermolecular bonds that are broken, that is, bonds between molecules. Both pressure and temperature affect at which point this happens. So by lowering the pressure, one can decrease the boiling point without affecting the stability of the molecule.

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Re: How should I extract for use in capsules?? [Re: Pinback]
    #5679236 - 05/27/06 01:01 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Arh okai, makes sense now.

Thanks for clearing that up.

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Re: How should I extract for use in capsules?? [Re: Ascension]
    #5681306 - 05/27/06 07:04 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Wow this topic is very interesting-mmm

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Re: How should I extract for use in capsules?? [Re: toole]
    #5722103 - 06/07/06 07:08 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Geko tried this method & this is how it worked, This is how it was dreamed.
Dry Shrooms were crushed to a rough powder, Then ethanol was added ,Just enough to cover the shroom mass, Simmerd on low heat(electric element) for tem min's and fillterd, And repeated one more time with half the amount of ethanol & filterd once again.
Then the two alky extracts were both combined and filterd through fine filtration , Then reduced by 2 therds.
Then after placing in the freezer, A quater the amount of water was added and geko colud instancly see the white crystals crashing out.

Now all geko dose is put 2-3 eye droppers worth of the white crystals in with some bourbon & coke and dowdend, AAWWWWWW.
Not to bad, And it hit ya in like 5-10 mins.
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    #5791095 - 06/26/06 12:05 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

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I suggest ditching the mortar and pestle and getting something like a coffee grinder. WAY less effort.

I used to use a mortar and pestle to grind up my shrooms before putting them in my cap-m-quik, and it took forever. Now I have one of these magic bullets (although I only paid $19 for it at kmart, no way I would pay $59). I can fill up a big container (perhaps 50 dry grams) and completely powder it all in 15 seconds.


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Re: How should I extract for use in capsules?? [Re: dreadful]
    #5791145 - 06/26/06 12:21 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

them are some fucking huge capsules. Im curious do you swallow them or stick them up the wazoo?


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Re: How should I extract for use in capsules?? [Re: makaveli8x8]
    #5791897 - 06/26/06 09:34 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

The ones in the picture are size "00", which isn't really all that big. I eat them all the time. They are the typical size you would expect some sort of herbal supplement to come in.

They are a really convenient way to dose. You can just bring a bunch of them out with you wherever you want and take them with minimal fuss. I have no trouble swallowing them, even without water.

The only downside is that the capsules can take a long time to dissolve in your stomach, adding maybe 45 minutes on to the wait time before shit kicks in. To avoid that you can open them up and dump them into a drink. Still more portable than carrying around a bunch of whole mushrooms.


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Re: How should I extract for use in capsules?? [Re: dreadful]
    #5805995 - 06/30/06 04:46 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Just a thought, you can buy oxygen absorbing tablets for packing stuff that will oxidise.

If you know you're going to be storing them for a while, maybe you could dropper the extract onto blotter and then bag up the sheets in zippy bags (impulse sealed baggies if you want to get really stylish) with an 02 absorbing tablet in with them.

Examples of O2 scavengers and indicators

I like the jelly idea though, that's pretty inventive. You can dissolve alcohol into jelly quite easily, so you should be able to get the extract into it.

Maybe you could combine the jelly and paper idea? Make up an enhanced jelly mix and then dropper a film of it onto the tabs.

You can buy gelatin at the super market. I wouldn't use flavoured stuff since it'll be full of sugars and things that'll just attract mould. Pure gelatin sheets should last longer, but it'd still be worth testing this idea (make some up and leave it out to see what happens) prior to using your extract up. Since you're no longer growing the strain, maybe you could add something to deter contamination.

Perhaps you could crystalise the extract and then combine it with some form of food additive that functions as an antioxidant?

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    #5806375 - 06/30/06 09:27 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Shroom jello shots :smile:

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Re: How should I extract for use in capsules?? [Re: fastfred]
    #5814725 - 07/03/06 04:15 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Geko just sticks to 3 full eyedropper's worth and thats gets ya head tingiling lmol.
But anyway, Geko tried the following.

Shrooachol(shroom alcahol,Ethanol+shroom extract)was evapoated to near complete dryness just by leaving it to evapoate off be its self,Because to much heat near the end of evapoating will burn the extract and turn it dark brown, Almost black.

Anyway the shroomachol was nearly completly dry ,And then depending on how much extract ya have depends on how much geletin to add along with water.

Sticking to directions on the gelatin packet it was done like this.

Altogether 500mls of water was used, This make it easyer to work with.

Geletin was disolved in a minamal amount of warm water,Whitch was 100mls of water.
And then before it cooled down to much the the other 400mls of water with the disolved/diluted shroom extract was added and vigorsly stird untill all was disolved, And then place on an ice bathto watch it set the the right consistancy to work with.

Then all geko did was use a big ass spore syring with a fine needle,(clean one of course)And injected the shroom gelly into empty cod liver oil capsules untill full.

Ffeewwwwwww, So far that as far as geko has gotten because geko has to be the gunie pig to test for dosses.

They were only filled enough so that the shroom jelly dident leak back out, But geko put them all in a jar a placed them in the fridge and let the set properly.

Not to much work invlolved either.
Most of the time was wating for the shroomachol to evapoate and geting the right gelly consistancy to work with while it was sitting on an ice bath.
(A bowl sitting in ice)
Now geko is exploring wasys to seal the capsules.

So thats it for now, And geko will be back with more updates.


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Re: How should I extract for use in capsules?? [Re: geko127]
    #5815835 - 07/03/06 12:34 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

did you think about adding less water and gelatin, to maintain the purification? presumably each jelly-filled capsule only contains about a half a ml of final jelly, if that. so how many grams of dry shroom powder were in the 'extract' when it was finally massively expanded out to 500ml? hopefully at least 1000g, making one gram per gelly capsule, and thus a final dosing formulation of 1-6 capsules for a strong-to-intense gradation. if the fungus powder was much less, you're gonna end up with the opposite of an extraction, but a mouthful of jelly and crunchy gelatin capsules.

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    #5820879 - 07/04/06 05:52 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

I gotta try this. I'd imagine the trip is alot shorter?


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    #5831221 - 07/07/06 11:46 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

I can fit .8 grams in my 00 caps..


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    #5847425 - 07/11/06 03:25 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

The extract was from 320gms of dry Ps Subaerginosa.


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