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Fungi_x
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How should I extract for use in capsules??
#5595329 - 05/05/06 07:05 PM (18 years, 18 days ago) |
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Say I have a lb of some dry and potent as hell cubes. How hard would it be to extract the good stuff for use in capsules?
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hIgHdRoLoVeR
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Re: How should I extract for use in capsules?? [Re: Fungi_x]
#5596120 - 05/05/06 10:34 PM (18 years, 17 days ago) |
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extractin for use in capsules is not a good idea...once you dehydrate the crystalized psilocybin into a powder form it will degrade rapidly. if you are going to extract keep it in liqid form and dose as a liquid...unless you spend hundreds of thousands to buy the equipment to make liquid gels...at which point id say your leaning twards dealing..and thats a big no-no around here... if you wanna make capsules dont bother with extraction...just grind em up into powder and pack into capsules
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Re: How should I extract for use in capsules?? [Re: hIgHdRoLoVeR]
#5596177 - 05/05/06 10:44 PM (18 years, 17 days ago) |
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I'm not looking to deal or make any money I just like dosing and my friends dosing like that 
How would I hand out liquid psyclo to friends at festivals?
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Re: How should I extract for use in capsules?? [Re: Fungi_x]
#5596196 - 05/05/06 10:48 PM (18 years, 17 days ago) |
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Re: How should I extract for use in capsules?? [Re: Fungi_x]
#5596244 - 05/05/06 10:57 PM (18 years, 17 days ago) |
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I've often wondered about this, with all the times (real and not) i've seen a dropper for liquid acid, it'd be sweet to have some real pure psilocybin in dropper form too. Any body ever do this for themselves/friends?
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Re: How should I extract for use in capsules?? [Re: Hrethic]
#5596330 - 05/05/06 11:17 PM (18 years, 17 days ago) |
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Hrethic said: I've often wondered about this, with all the times (real and not) i've seen a dropper for liquid acid, it'd be sweet to have some real pure psilocybin in dropper form too. Any body ever do this for themselves/friends?
yah thats what peaked my intrest in psilocybin extraction...had a visene bottle full of acid and thought "man if only i could get shrooms like this"... problem with psilocybin is...by the time you get it concentracted to where a cc or so holds a couple grams you start getting crystals forming at room temp...this would make dosing really hard so its not really a reliable way to do it at festivals and such...the liquid would need to be heated and shaken well to redisolve the crystalized psilo.... i would just grind em to powder..capsule them up...and carry them in a herbal suppliment bottle to the festival...the herbal suppliment bottles would hold 120 or more 00 caps..and thatd be enough to dose several people
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Re: How should I extract for use in capsules?? [Re: Hrethic]
#5596403 - 05/05/06 11:34 PM (18 years, 17 days ago) |
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This is a very intersting subject latley people  So much that geko has been following the extraction processes thead very closley and so far has disscoverd something. 
Alot of people have wonderd about geting the psilosybin crystals and than drying for the sake of dosing. But as you all know psyilocybin oxidises when air is exposed to it in crystal form, That led geko to LSD, And found out that the same thing happens to LSD aswell.
So from that the obious geko got thinking and thought, Why not use plain old fucking jelletin crystals from the supermarket if you wanted to make gell caps, Just keep dont add so much H2o to keep the rught consistancy.
Then simply and quickly weigh out your dry psylocybin crystals how ever much your using, (remembering once it is diluted each gell capsule is 1 dose) Then use a syring to inject the gell into a capsule, Cod liver oil capsules would work, Just squeez the cod liver oil out and inject the jell into it.
Not sure how soluble psyilocybin crystals are in oily type substances, hhhmmm  If it is soluble in oil of some sort it could be applied to blotting papper just like how those dudes make LSD. Can any other shroomer get an idea of that in there head, Because it sounds like the salution to the problem when it comes to dosing.  How much is how potent percentige wise. More on this soon
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Re: How should I extract for use in capsules?? [Re: Snaggletooth]
#5596404 - 05/05/06 11:35 PM (18 years, 17 days ago) |
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Snaggletooth said: I like this.....
 
How many "00" capsules holds a gram? About 4?
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Re: How should I extract for use in capsules?? [Re: shymanta]
#5596948 - 05/06/06 04:18 AM (18 years, 17 days ago) |
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2. 1x00 capsule will hold between .4 and .7 grams.
Darken *smiles*
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Re: How should I extract for use in capsules?? [Re: Darkenshroom]
#5597043 - 05/06/06 06:48 AM (18 years, 17 days ago) |
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Judging by the number of caps on the scale 11, and the weight 3.5. it looks like 4 caps hold just under a gram.
I think that 2. 1x00 capsule will hold between .4 and .7 grams would be for something more dense than shrooms which is more like ash when it is ground up.
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Re: How should I extract for use in capsules?? [Re: Roker]
#5597052 - 05/06/06 06:58 AM (18 years, 17 days ago) |
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I use 00 capsules and when ground up properly I can say that they roughly hold .4-.7 grams each. 5-7 capsules per 8th depending on how fine the powder was and how tightly packed I made them.
Darken *smiles*
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Re: How should I extract for use in capsules?? [Re: Darkenshroom]
#5597108 - 05/06/06 07:31 AM (18 years, 17 days ago) |
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Darkenshroom said: I use 00 capsules and when ground up properly I can say that they roughly hold .4-.7 grams each. 5-7 capsules per 8th depending on how fine the powder was and how tightly packed I made them.
You must pack them very tightly. I can only seem to get mine to about .3g Max, even when I tamp it down 2-3 times. Do you use a Cap em Quick type of filler?
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Re: How should I extract for use in capsules?? [Re: FooMan]
#5597912 - 05/06/06 02:52 PM (18 years, 17 days ago) |
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Mainly the problem I found with capsule stuffing is people tend not to grind em fine enough. One you have them into a fine powder, and using a capsule machine (handheld type) I rarely get less than a half gram in them.
I used to only get about .2-.3 in per capsule (I started capsuling to eat long before I started Cult) then looking at my grinding methods I noted that I was grinding too large of pieces. To get a half gram or over you really need it to be a fine dust like powder.
Darken *smiles*
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Re: How should I extract for use in capsules?? [Re: Darkenshroom]
#5598625 - 05/06/06 07:10 PM (18 years, 17 days ago) |
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An extract can easily be made using ~95% ethanol (everclear) and a blender. Add dried or fresh mushrooms to the EtOH, blend and stick in the fridge for a few days. It is placed in the fridge to prevent any enzymatic breakdown of any 'desirables' although is it unlikely anyhow due to the ethanol. This suspension is then filtered through cheesecloth or coffee filter. the resultant blue-green tincture has the majority of your alkaloids. This can then be evaporated (at room temp) to yield a more concentrated product which could potentially be quite powerful by the capful, however it would be advised to dilute it as alcohol tends to burn on its way down.
Speculation: Add gelatin mix to the tincture and then evap EtOH until a hard or viscous residue remains which would retain the protected 'desirables.' The evap of ethanol/water is a slow process and this procedure would certainly be time consuming. Ideally evap would take place in an inert atmosphere (no O2).
IMO...make chocolates!
Edited by DamnDamnDamn (05/06/06 07:13 PM)
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Re: How should I extract for use in capsules?? [Re: Darkenshroom]
#5598984 - 05/06/06 09:09 PM (18 years, 17 days ago) |
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Mine looks like powder when I'm done, but perhaps I should really inspect it for any little chunks. I'll see how it works out next go around. Thanks.
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Re: How should I extract for use in capsules?? [Re: DamnDamnDamn]
#5599441 - 05/06/06 11:26 PM (18 years, 16 days ago) |
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Ok fellow extraction enthusiusts, Geko done a enthanol extraction on 60gms of dry Ps.Subaerginosa, One & a half litter's of ethanol were used over all.
1.Shrooms were dried to crispness and then crunched up as fine as posible.
2.Crunched up shrooms were placed in a beaker then half a litter of ethanol was added and then placed beaker in an oil bath a simmerd for 10 mins.
3.filtterd ethanol while still hot and collected the liqued.
4.About a quater of a litter of fresh ethanol was added to the fillterd shroom mash, And then it was placed back on the heat for another 10 mins and fillterd.
5.The last step was repetead once more, Then all the fillterd liqued was combined and was fillterd once again while still warm through 6 coffee fillters.
Once a nice clear golden liqued was obtained the ethanol was boiled off a little bit more.
All up one & a half litter's of ethanol was used, And after reducing there was about 800ml to 900mls of ethanol that was placed in the frezer over night.
The resulting liqued is still freezing out crystals. So pic's will be posted very soon.  Now is when a method for dossing is derived and put on bloting papper or maybee even gell capsule's. HHMMMMM which one to make ???
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Re: How should I extract for use in capsules?? [Re: geko127]
#5600071 - 05/07/06 03:12 AM (18 years, 16 days ago) |
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nice work, geko. now you have maybe 20 doses, but 900ml of ethanol is a bit too much still: try a double boiler to reduce it down -
saucepan of water on the hob, inside this a second smaller saucepan with the 900ml in it. turn on the heat and raise it up slowly. the alcohol boils off at about 78C, well before the water gets to its 100C boiling point, so if you keep stirring it, that 900ml can be easily reduced down to a more manageable 100ml or so. i'd far rather tolerate a quick 5ml glug than have to drink 50ml of almost pure ethanol (apart from anything else, that's 2 alcohol 'units' and will affect your trip).
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Re: How should I extract for use in capsules?? [Re: shirley knott]
#5600126 - 05/07/06 04:02 AM (18 years, 16 days ago) |
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I recommend you find yourself a distillation kit, along with a vacuum pump so you can bring that ethanol over at a lower temperature thus prevent decomposoition of the wanted extracts, Ethanol boils around 78'C. You could bring everything over at room temperature if u use a vacuum trap, an aspirator would even work.
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Re: How should I extract for use in capsules?? [Re: shirley knott]
#5600166 - 05/07/06 04:49 AM (18 years, 16 days ago) |
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There is actuly 800mls of shroomachol(shroom alcohol HEHEHE)  Now after seing how much crystal mass droped out, The shroom/ethanol in being reduced even further so that there will be around 50mls--100mls orthere abouts.  One other thing shirlyknot, Double boilers work good, But Oil baths work better , Espicly as swip likes to use proper lab glass when it comes to boiling solvents. Anyway there must be a better way to make up dosses than sroom powder capsules Or adding the extracted psyilcon/psilosybin to a drink. Like the following.  Now the issue is how to portion it out in dosses  For example, Bloting it onto bloting papper, Or making gell capsuls 
Just trying to be a little more scincefetic about it
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Re: How should I extract for use in capsules?? [Re: geko127]
#5600190 - 05/07/06 05:14 AM (18 years, 16 days ago) |
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Distilation equpiment hey,Maybee something like what this site and its members use ??? http://www.home-distilling.com/
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