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Sterilizing grain in a 55 gal. drum
#5595140 - 05/05/06 06:08 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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I've made this interesting experience. Trying to sterilize wheat grain in a 55 gal. barril. If it works, it'll be possible to sterilize more than 120 of 1 litre jars or, more than 250-500ml. jars. For this experience I've used 22-1 litre jars. In the bottom of the drum was sawdust bags, 2nd shelf the grain jars and the first shelf other sawdust bags to fill the drum. My expactations are negative but could change?
Here's a picture of the jars in the drum. They have being inoculated the 1st of may.

Now, may 5th. I've inoculated for the experience Eryngii, Blue Oyster, Cauliflower mush. and White oyster. You can see the growth of the mycelium (Eryngii for the photo), no sign of contamination yet.

I esitate to brake the kernels, as you know why. Would you brake the kernels or wait to the entire colonization?
Does someone is interested to know more how it'll go on this experience?
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Re: Sterilizing grain in a 55 gal. drum [Re: micololo2]
#5595198 - 05/05/06 06:26 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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hey micololo2 - happy st. george's day 
first - 120 litre jars sterilised in one go in just a barrel deserves credit and must unfortunately also come with a warning about known areas of diminished sterility dependent on oven shape, degree of filling and design issues. but you know this. crap, what i really mean is well done sir 
second - as for shaking the kernels, you will read all sorts of advice, but the average seems to be that at least one good shake is recommended at 5-10% (about now), and after that leave well alone until full colonisation.
third - how do you guarantee you will wake up with a smile on your face? go to sleep with a coathanger in your mouth
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Re: Sterilizing grain in a 55 gal. drum [Re: shirley knott]
#5595354 - 05/05/06 07:09 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Hi Sherly Thanks for the advice, I'll try it tonight. If you're telling me this it's probably because you have experimented it! What is St. George day. Who's George? I prefer the look you had before than the one you got now.
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Re: Sterilizing grain in a 55 gal. drum [Re: micololo2]
#5596312 - 05/05/06 11:12 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Man, this is amazing, I think it will mean a great deal to those in third world countries (that our ECHO farm primarily helps), and may mean obviously more food and more jobs where they are needed most, as well as in impoverished areas in developed nations. I am intensely interested in this. Can you elaborate on how it was done? Time spent in the drum, everything you have time to tell us. I LOVE your posts! Great work man, you are an innovator and I can't wait to see how it comes out. Light and Love, JD
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Re: Sterilizing grain in a 55 gal. drum [Re: Jeremy_Davis]
#5596896 - 05/06/06 03:14 AM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Amazing.
Hope it goes well 
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Re: Sterilizing grain in a 55 gal. drum [Re: IGnosticAbhorI]
#5597325 - 05/06/06 09:51 AM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Hi micololo, you've done a wonderfull job.
i do not use to shake them...for me this cause stress..in the natural environment nobody shakes the mycelium, perhaps just some worms..but it's just my opinion.
If you can add new photos and let us updated! ^_^
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Re: Sterilizing grain in a 55 gal. drum [Re: Jeremy_Davis]
#5597834 - 05/06/06 02:18 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Jeremy_Davis said: Man, this is amazing, I think it will mean a great deal to those in third world countries (that our ECHO farm primarily helps), and may mean obviously more food and more jobs where they are needed most, as well as in impoverished areas in developed nations. I am intensely interested in this. Can you elaborate on how it was done? 4.5 gallons of water in the drumTime spent in the drum, 170 minutes boilingeverything you have time to tell us. I LOVE your posts! Thanks, I'll come back with other ideas in other postsGreat work man, you are an innovator and I can't wait to see how it comes out. Light and Love, JD
I've shaking the kernels today, hopping it wont wake up contamination. I just kept one jars without being shaked. I just regrett that I have not kept more jars without being shaked, to compare the results in the experience. I,ll come back in a few days with some results. Freesporeprint I just read your post to late.
I'd love to go in far countries to meet different difficulties and trying to find simple and cheap ways to grow mushrooms in medium scale, in different environments.
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Re: Sterilizing grain in a 55 gal. drum [Re: micololo2]
#5598029 - 05/06/06 03:40 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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did you use the 55 gal. drum as a pc? or just tried to pasteurized the grain for a long time?
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Re: Sterilizing grain in a 55 gal. drum [Re: FGL]
#5600106 - 05/07/06 03:41 AM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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he's using it as a steam steriliser - pasteurising cannot go above about 75C.
btw, St George is the patron saint of England. not much is known for definite about him (he was killed in about year 300) but his name is used in various old texts, Shakespeare referred to him lustily as someone to name when riding into battle, and he is usually portrayed for some reason on horeseback killing a dragon. nobody really celebrates St George's day in England.

it is St George's flag (red cross on white background) that is the English flag, and which when combined with the Scottish flag (St Andrew's, white cross on blue background) and Irish flags (St Patrick's, red diagonal cross on white background) makes up the well-known 'Union Flag' (also known as the 'Union Jack', though more accurately this only applies when it is flown from a British warship).
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Re: Sterilizing grain in a 55 gal. drum [Re: shirley knott]
#5600277 - 05/07/06 07:02 AM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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shirley knott said: he's using it as a steam steriliser - pasteurising cannot go above about 75C.
So steam sterilization without pressure???
Please micolo2 more details!
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Re: Sterilizing grain in a 55 gal. drum [Re: FGL]
#5600543 - 05/07/06 09:56 AM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Re: Sterilizing grain in a 55 gal. drum [Re: Anno]
#5600599 - 05/07/06 10:17 AM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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I read itr before, but I think micolo is pasteurizing there, no seterilizing
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Re: Sterilizing grain in a 55 gal. drum [Re: FGL]
#5601538 - 05/07/06 04:08 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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You can call it as you want. I don't know if I,m sterilizing or pasteurizing. What I know, there is a low pressure in the drum because when I open the valve steam blows for 1-2 seconds. I don't know what temperature is reached in the drum and I still don't know if it's going to work. Later+
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Re: Sterilizing grain in a 55 gal. drum [Re: micololo2]
#5603579 - 05/08/06 12:54 AM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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hi FGL, if we want to be precise the great job that our friend micololo2 did is neither a sterilization nor a pasteurization: i believe it's a mix of both the process.
The sterilization is let by the heat and the pressure (the drum of micololo doesn't reach high pressures) and the pasteurization is let by the several boiling of the substrate, with pauses between a boil and a boil, to permit to the bacterias to born and next killing them.
A part this boring explanation, we all hope that the "killer-can" (please micololo call it Killer-can ehehe) works ok to permit an adeguate "sterilization" (better to say "bacteriological holocaust" ) in order that mycelium can grow without enemies...and sincery i believed that micololo hitted the centre..but we have to wait a bit of days, until the jars or the bags are fully colonized.
Have a nice day!! ^_^
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Re: Sterilizing grain in a 55 gal. drum [Re: FreeSporePrints]
#5604044 - 05/08/06 05:15 AM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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>and the pasteurization is let by the several boiling of the substrate, with >pauses between a boil and a boil, to permit to the bacterias to born and next >killing them.
No. What you are describing is "fractional sterilization" or "tyndalization".
Pasteurization is heating a substrate to a temperature of ~70°C (160°F).
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Re: Sterilizing grain in a 55 gal. drum [Re: Anno]
#5604314 - 05/08/06 09:23 AM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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7 days after inoculation, looks like it's going to work.

hundreds of sawdust-woodchips bags being sterilize with the drum
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Re: Sterilizing grain in a 55 gal. drum [Re: micololo2]
#5604752 - 05/08/06 12:05 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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wow wish you best luck that it works out ! that would be a "super-low-cost-quasi-autoklav" there
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Re: Sterilizing grain in a 55 gal. drum [Re: ohmatic]
#5605214 - 05/08/06 02:37 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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FUCKIN NUTZZZZZZ!!!!!!!!
And i thought it was about commercial buttons or ports? COOL looks like you got away with it,that is MASSIVE!!!!!! peace!
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Re: Sterilizing grain in a 55 gal. drum [Re: bluelou]
#5607420 - 05/09/06 02:38 AM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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hi Anno, you're right! i wrong. 
micololo great great great job! i believe i'll built my killer-can in the future!
yeah!!
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Re: Sterilizing grain in a 55 gal. drum [Re: Anno]
#5616668 - 05/11/06 10:43 AM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Hey Friends I got great, great great news. The experience is positive. 22 jars of grain, after 10 days being "tyndalized" 170min.,inoculated with 4 different strains, this is the results: 8-Pl. Eryngii: 6 full colonized, 2 slow growing(due to lower inoculation rate) 7-Pl. Ostreatus (white): 6 full colonized, 1 no growth 4- Pl. Colombinus: 4 full colonized 3- Sparasis Crispa: 2- 30% of growth and 1 infected.
All full colonized are ready to use.
Anyone can grow hundreds of Pds, of mush. per week naturaly whithout investing thousands and thousands of dollars. Just adapt the right species at the right time of the year with some personnal strategies in the the environment where they grow. Now,I do not have any filter, machines, flow hoods ... Only fans and a glove box. Almost all innoculations work are made outdoors with a high rate of success. Treat your mycelium strain as an olympian, you're the trainer. Always give him the best food, the best timings to get the best athlete and you'll win the game.
Good luck all of you
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Re: Sterilizing grain in a 55 gal. drum [Re: micololo2]
#5617091 - 05/11/06 12:47 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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hi micololo 
great pics, let us updated!!
tyndalized? so you cook them with pauses? Explain please..
Jars where inoculated with agar? or what? mycelium was fresh?
thank you ^_^
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Re: Sterilizing grain in a 55 gal. drum [Re: FreeSporePrints]
#5617350 - 05/11/06 02:00 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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FreeSporePrints said: hi micololo 
great pics, let us updated!! no more updates on that post, the experience is close with success, grain has being colonized. Now we know that it's possible to sterilize wheat grain in a 55 gal. drum
tyndalized? so you cook them with pauses? Explain please..no I do not, I' rent this expression from Anno (maybe a mastake). I've steam the grain 170min. in the closed drum with no pauses.
Jars where inoculated with agar? yesor what? mycelium was fresh?always
thank you ^_^
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Re: Sterilizing grain in a 55 gal. drum [Re: micololo2]
#5617539 - 05/11/06 02:42 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Great  Thanks to you for sharing
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Re: Sterilizing grain in a 55 gal. drum [Re: FGL]
#5622080 - 05/12/06 06:08 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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what do you plan on sterilizing?
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Re: Sterilizing grain in a 55 gal. drum [Re: Psychoslut]
#5626704 - 05/13/06 10:33 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Sweet! I'm going to try this ASAP (though that may be later rather than sooner...), Congratulations, either way, and I'm so excited for this method to be adapted by others. Once I get this going, I'll try to teach it to the farmers at our November ag conferences... This is so cool!!!
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Re: Sterilizing grain in a 55 gal. drum [Re: Jeremy_Davis]
#5629497 - 05/14/06 06:28 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Hi Jeremy
I remember that you were interested in my trenches method. I'm working now in a similar method but using cardboards as components in the trenches. It'll be easier and faster to clean, easier to control light, air exchange and humidity. Still in a open field. Later+
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Re: Sterilizing grain in a 55 gal. drum [Re: micololo2]
#5629509 - 05/14/06 06:30 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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I was thinking of filling cardboard boxes with woodchips and trying cultivation that way.
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great mico !
how is your commercial venture going ?
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Re: Sterilizing grain in a 55 gal. drum [Re: ohmatic]
#5631299 - 05/15/06 03:25 AM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Hi sympatic Ohm
Slowly, but in mid june the farmers market starting than I'll sale a lot more.
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Re: Sterilizing grain in a 55 gal. drum [Re: micololo2]
#5631544 - 05/15/06 07:26 AM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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What ever happened to those people interested in your trench technique?
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Definitely still want to know about the trench techniques. I have a farm in Costa Rica that could really use the info (as well as Zimbabwe, and Nicaragua, but I'll let everyone know, when you let me know- I'm a bad secret keeper!!!) Can't wait to hear about the 100x size trenches. You are definitely a wealth of info... Light and Love, J
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Re: Sterilizing grain in a 55 gal. drum [Re: micololo2]
#5850142 - 07/12/06 08:48 AM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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micololo2 said: Hey Friends I got great, great great news. The experience is positive. 22 jars of grain, after 10 days being "tyndalized" 170min
Could you explain this a bit more? when you say "tyndalized" do you mean steaming from 170min each day through 3 days?
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Re: Sterilizing grain in a 55 gal. drum [Re: FGL]
#5850187 - 07/12/06 09:06 AM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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tyndalization is the repeated heating and cooling of the substrate. You heat it up kill some organisms let it cool then the other survivors sprout and grow then you kill them with heat, then you do it another time or two. To make sure all of the lil critters have germenated and died.
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Corporal Kielbasa said: tyndalization is the repeated heating and cooling of the substrate. You heat it up kill some organisms let it cool then the other survivors sprout and grow then you kill them with heat, then you do it another time or two. To make sure all of the lil critters have germenated and died.
I know Corporal Kielbasa, what I wanted to know is if that is what micolo2 did here...
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Re: Sterilizing grain in a 55 gal. drum [Re: FGL]
#5850274 - 07/12/06 09:48 AM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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The answer is in this thread.
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Re: Sterilizing grain in a 55 gal. drum [Re: Anno]
#5886516 - 07/22/06 02:35 AM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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Anno said: The answer is in this thread.
thats like the tards who cant figure out when busses leave on their own and annoy the busdriver to look it up for them, usually u can hear quite some angry grunting therefor and i think i just had the weirdest sensation ever 
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Re: Sterilizing grain in a 55 gal. drum [Re: micololo2]
#11541425 - 11/28/09 07:29 AM (14 years, 2 months ago) |
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whrese the picture? any guide for large quantity of substrate pasteurization/sterilization?
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Re: Sterilizing grain in a 55 gal. drum [Re: getazeta]
#11550589 - 11/29/09 05:38 PM (14 years, 2 months ago) |
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This should work but I recommend using a stainless steel barrel. They dont cost much more and you can get them on ebay really cheap. A regular barrel will rust out quick.
Holy shit, I just noticed this post is 3 years old.
Edited by Cloneufc (11/29/09 05:39 PM)
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Re: Sterilizing grain in a 55 gal. drum [Re: Cloneufc]
#11551023 - 11/29/09 06:41 PM (14 years, 2 months ago) |
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so you heat it to boiling and sustain that boil for how long everyday once a day for 3 days???
ya i know its an old post but lets clarify it some.
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Re: Sterilizing grain in a 55 gal. drum [Re: ratdog]
#23525258 - 08/09/16 03:44 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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i'm going to try this. anybody, within the last 10 to 6 years been doing this? the time stated was 170 minutes. any other experiences out there???
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Re: Sterilizing grain in a 55 gal. drum [Re: anthiawe]
#23525317 - 08/09/16 04:04 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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I made a 55 gal drum steriliser last month https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/23399229
It's very basic but it works, check out gr0wers drum sterilizer videos too.
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Re: Sterilizing grain in a 55 gal. drum [Re: weetsie]
#23525509 - 08/09/16 05:34 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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I use a drum for my sawdust blocks, but i dont know why i hadn't thought of it for my jars, all my jars....at once....just thinking about what the necessary time in would be for the grain jars to sterilize.
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Re: Sterilizing grain in a 55 gal. drum [Re: anthiawe]
#23525530 - 08/09/16 05:46 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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For grain jars that are going to be inoculated with a wedge and take a week or two to colonize I imagine you're gonna need 12-24 hours. I did 6 hours for my grain bags but they were G2G and only took 3 days for full colonization.
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Re: Sterilizing grain in a 55 gal. drum [Re: weetsie]
#23525539 - 08/09/16 05:51 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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whoa, 12 to 24! i do my sawdust bags in three now? i use a propane burner with a tight fitting lid on a 55 gallon drum. i just tighten the lid up all the way and steam will find its way out like a kettle or pc. lost three bags for 125 so far. does this all depend on the amount of pressure building in my barrel?? you have me worried now weetsie!
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Re: Sterilizing grain in a 55 gal. drum [Re: anthiawe]
#23525591 - 08/09/16 06:14 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Yeah grain is going to need a lot longer than sawdust.
I'm trying grain jars in my drum very soon, going to start with at least 12 hours.
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Re: Sterilizing grain in a 55 gal. drum [Re: weetsie]
#23525711 - 08/09/16 06:48 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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cool, let us know how it goes weetsie. i'm not sure what i'll do yet, dont want to do 200 jars and loose all of them! but 12 hours of burning propane just aint an option for me.
thanks for sharing!
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Re: Sterilizing grain in a 55 gal. drum [Re: anthiawe]
#23525846 - 08/09/16 07:39 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Yeah, thing with propane is, a decent burner kicks out maybe 10-20x the energy of a little 2kW~ element which must surely get the substrate up to temperature faster, given you have a much higher volume of steam rushing past it, there has to be more transfer of heat.
Once you're substrate is at temperature though, I can't imagine you gain anything, the substrate just needs to sit there for long enough to sterilize, any more energy than that needed to hold your 2 psi or whatever is wasted.
Can the burner not be turned down to a really small flame where the consumption is more economical? Insulation is probably key here too.
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Re: Sterilizing grain in a 55 gal. drum [Re: weetsie]
#23525855 - 08/09/16 07:43 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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weetsie you've questioned me out of trying this. i can turn my burner down, but 12 hours, still...so long, that would be a 20lb tank per batch of grain, worth it economically? maybe...buuutt adding insulation to my optimally low tek production now, nnaahh. 90 minutes for 10 quarts will have to do for now! thanks for your the discussion man.
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Re: Sterilizing grain in a 55 gal. drum [Re: anthiawe]
#23525876 - 08/09/16 07:48 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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The only other thing I would say then is get a cheap element off ebay, they are like $10 shipped and have a tank connector built into them so you're good to go.
You definitely don't wanna be using a 20lb tank per run!
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Re: Sterilizing grain in a 55 gal. drum [Re: weetsie]
#23525877 - 08/09/16 07:49 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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any particular name for the proper element?
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Re: Sterilizing grain in a 55 gal. drum [Re: anthiawe]
#23525928 - 08/09/16 08:10 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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I'm going to try a 24 hour steam on some spawn bags next week i think. A lot of people are asking. I'll sneak a few in on a batch of sawdust bags, put them at the bottom so they get a longer steam.
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nut to hold the element in place from the inside if your using a drum. https://www.amazon.com/Stainless-Fitting-Locknut-SP-114-Female/dp/B00K0DBFYW/ref=sr_1_fkmr2_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1470794979&sr=8-1-fkmr2&keywords=1%22+SS+NPT+locknut
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Re: Sterilizing grain in a 55 gal. drum [Re: anthiawe]
#23525969 - 08/09/16 08:24 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Re: Sterilizing grain in a 55 gal. drum [Re: weetsie]
#23526765 - 08/10/16 12:59 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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I know this is another off topic for this thread . But if someone was to bluid these stream sterilizer barrels and sell them they would make a killing. Wink wink.
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Re: Sterilizing grain in a 55 gal. drum [Re: tump]
#23527496 - 08/10/16 08:12 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Shipping would be a killer. And if i was to make these and sell i would do stainless drums so they would cost around $800, then shipping would be freight and probably like $100+. One advantage of going SS is you could pressurize it with a pressure cooker rocker, like 5-10 lbs.
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Re: Sterilizing grain in a 55 gal. drum [Re: Gr0wer]
#23527564 - 08/10/16 08:34 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Why not bluid them with normal steal drums and sell for 500 plus shipping
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Re: Sterilizing grain in a 55 gal. drum [Re: tump]
#23527636 - 08/10/16 08:59 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Not a big fan of rust.
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Re: Sterilizing grain in a 55 gal. drum [Re: tump]
#23527641 - 08/10/16 09:01 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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I would pay the shipping this machine will save the lives of my family. Please think about it. I tried bluiding one and it broke so bad. Dont you use plastic barrel?
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Re: Sterilizing grain in a 55 gal. drum [Re: tump]
#23528328 - 08/10/16 02:03 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Hey tump, there is a primitive way of putting together a steamer if your having problems building one. Just a steel drum with a some sort of heat underneath, fire or propane, and enough water. Not as energy efficient and bad ass, but it would get the job done especially if it saves the lives of your family
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Re: Sterilizing grain in a 55 gal. drum [Re: Marty Mycfly]
#23528339 - 08/10/16 02:08 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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primitive tek!
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Re: Sterilizing grain in a 55 gal. drum [Re: tump]
#23528565 - 08/10/16 03:34 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Quote:
tump said: I would pay the shipping this machine will save the lives of my family. Please think about it. I tried bluiding one and it broke so bad. Dont you use plastic barrel?
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Re: Sterilizing grain in a 55 gal. drum [Re: anthiawe]
#23529260 - 08/10/16 07:03 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Quote:
anthiawe said: primitive tek! 
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Re: Sterilizing grain in a 55 gal. drum [Re: chefjrd]
#23537997 - 08/13/16 01:25 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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I do this twice a month. I use a slightly bigger barrel but basically I steam 27 x 5kg bags of grain (300lbs). I measure the temp in the middle of the bags and keep it at 96C for 12 hours. I have made several tons of grain spawn without a single contamination.
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Re: Sterilizing grain in a 55 gal. drum [Re: solarity]
#23538029 - 08/13/16 01:37 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Same for me, but I only do 10 bags a week. So one run of 40 substrate bags and the next morning a run of 30 substrate bags and 10 grain bags.
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Re: Sterilizing grain in a 55 gal. drum [Re: frog48]
#23542566 - 08/14/16 11:40 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Shit, i need to start sneaking grain bags into my steamer! I typically have 6 empty spots every run.
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