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Offlineiamyour_messiah
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Jars colonizing, is it mycelium or mold?? (pics included)
    #5593740 - 05/05/06 11:38 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Alright so I checked on my jars today not expecting to see any difference since 2 days ago...but to my surprise there were areas in the jars starting to colonize. From far off it looks pretty much like all the pics I've seen of colonizing jars, but when I look at it real close, it looks pretty fuzzy. Too fuzzy almost....





My fingers are crossed that it's clean, but even if they are contaminated, I'm still happier than if there hadn't been anything happening to the grain. THis is my 3rd attempt at jars and the prior 2 times I didnt see shit except for popcorn sitting in a jar for 1 or 2 weeks :P

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Re: Jars colonizing, is it mycelium or mold?? (pics included) [Re: iamyour_messiah]
    #5593745 - 05/05/06 11:39 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

that does look a bit more hairy than mycellium should, but this should really be in the Contam board. you'll most likely have some conclusive answers there


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Re: Jars colonizing, is it mycelium or mold?? (pics included) [Re: iamyour_messiah]
    #5593796 - 05/05/06 11:55 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

the picture quality is terrible.

hard to tell...with the tint color of your picture.

can you get a clearer picture?


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Re: Jars colonizing, is it mycelium or mold?? (pics included) [Re: Roadkill]
    #5593827 - 05/05/06 12:03 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Does your rye pocorn or what ever in their appear to be a little dry?


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Re: Jars colonizing, is it mycelium or mold?? (pics included) [Re: Roadkill]
    #5593841 - 05/05/06 12:06 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Hmm well I can easily take another pic, but I dunno how I could improve it. What can I do to better the terrible quality, cause I personally thought it was quite clear...clear enough to see the really fuzzy texture of the growth in the first pic at least.

If you mean that I should just change the color/lighting with the camera setting that I can do of course. Ill try to take some more pics later I guess, but dunno how much better they will be than the ones I already posted.

thx so far anyways

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Re: Jars colonizing, is it mycelium or mold?? (pics included) [Re: iamyour_messiah]
    #5593852 - 05/05/06 12:09 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

I don't think it's cobweb mold, as the entire jar would likely have some coverage. If your suspect area is localized and remotely white, you likely have mycelia growing.

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Re: Jars colonizing, is it mycelium or mold?? (pics included) [Re: iamyour_messiah]
    #5593868 - 05/05/06 12:12 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

take it outside or use a bright light, also use macro mode (if needed) the little flower. if its contaminated then its gone. give it a day if it spreads too quick its mold if not it might be myc

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Re: Jars colonizing, is it mycelium or mold?? (pics included) [Re: iamyour_messiah]
    #5593892 - 05/05/06 12:17 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

About the wetness of the grains, it's funny you should mention that. I do get that impression cause even thought the grains were brought to maximum moisture content (so much in fact that a good amount of them burst open..) they seems to be clumping together a bit in certain parts. Not as if its one huge massive clump but small marble sized clumps here and there.

I was under the impression that that wouldn't be happening since I followed Magash's rye tek in the archive forum and he said if you shake the hell out of the jars right when they come out of the PC there would be no clumping later one. But aside from that they do somehow seem a bit dry to me.

ITs funny cause after simmering them and draining for like 20 mins I was sure it was still waaaay too wet cause if I ran my hand through it there would be alot of moisture on my hand. So I even spread it out on some towels to absorb some of the excess moisture on the outside of the grains...So when the jars are too dry on the inside, is it more likely that you could get some mold growing instead of mycelium?

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Re: Jars colonizing, is it mycelium or mold?? (pics included) [Re: iamyour_messiah]
    #5593972 - 05/05/06 12:34 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Ok so here I got 2 more pics with a different light setting. I would say these pics are alot better as the tint is alot less yellow, seems like they are taken under flourescent lighting now...




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Re: Jars colonizing, is it mycelium or mold?? (pics included) [Re: iamyour_messiah]
    #5594018 - 05/05/06 12:44 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

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iamyour_messiah said:
So when the jars are too dry on the inside, is it more likely that you could get some mold growing instead of mycelium?




no lol actually I am trying to get my rye to grow and you have growth and I did the paper towel thing 2 so I should get some growth =D


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Re: Jars colonizing, is it mycelium or mold?? (pics included) [Re: mikeownow]
    #5594081 - 05/05/06 01:00 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

thats fine

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Re: Jars colonizing, is it mycelium or mold?? (pics included) [Re: l33tflip1]
    #5594403 - 05/05/06 02:08 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

that looks pretty cobby to me. i see NO rizo growth which scares me a little.


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Re: Jars colonizing, is it mycelium or mold?? (pics included) [Re: skeletor]
    #5594711 - 05/05/06 03:40 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

I had the same thoughts couple of day ago about one jar of mine, and i gave it a day, shook it and now everything is fine, not too much rizo but it looks gr8. just wait a bit.
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Re: Jars colonizing, is it mycelium or mold?? (pics included) [Re: Yefet2000]
    #5595624 - 05/05/06 08:35 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

ya el duderino i was thinking the same thing...although i've never seen any cobweb mold on grain/cakes , it just looks really fuzzy to me. But like the guy said Im just keeping my fingers crossed and hoping itll be ok in the end@!!

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Re: Jars colonizing, is it mycelium or mold?? (pics included) [Re: iamyour_messiah]
    #5595680 - 05/05/06 08:52 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Your rye is on the dry side :wink: bro also I love the shade of green your pics are giving off the kernels. No CB as of the moment IMO.


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Re: Jars colonizing, is it mycelium or mold?? (pics included) [Re: hyphae]
    #5596032 - 05/05/06 10:18 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Yea, it actually looks pretty good for spores germinating. It takes awhile usually to see any rhizomorphic mycelium.

If you'll rinse the heck out of your rye berries before you begin the soak or simmer, they won't clump up later. Just put the dry grains in a kettle, fill with water and stir around, then drain out and repeat a few times until the water pours off clear. You'll be amazed at how cloudy and dirty the first few washes will pour off.

I also make my jars a bit on the dry side. I don't ever just case the straight rye, but use it for spawn so it really doesn't matter, and the jars are much easier to shake when a bit dry then when a bit wet.
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Re: Jars colonizing, is it mycelium or mold?? (pics included) [Re: RogerRabbit]
    #5597236 - 05/06/06 09:05 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Thx for that reply RogerRabbit that was actually quite uplifting, but what I'd really like to know...

How do you actually regulate the moisture content of the rye grains. Like I said I think mine were at maximum capacity and then a lot of them ended up bursting. I see no way to increase the wetness, I can only imagine it being less than what it is atm.

Aside from that, though, at the top of the jars where there is no grain there is some condensation on the inside of the jars, so I'm sure the environment in there is quite moist...

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Re: Jars colonizing, is it mycelium or mold?? (pics included) [Re: iamyour_messiah]
    #5597289 - 05/06/06 09:35 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

much better pictures!~

looks like mycelium to me.

to the left side it looks like the start of rhizomorphic mycelium.

you should see more growth of rhizomorphic mycelium each day.


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Re: Jars colonizing, is it mycelium or mold?? (pics included) [Re: Roadkill]
    #5604182 - 05/08/06 08:04 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

So here I am again with a picture update. Would appreciate if you guys could tell me if its still looking like mycelium or not...







thx for any replies

edit: forgot to ask, should I shake these jars today? I know I've read that that increases the colonization time, but the fact is its going pretty quickly anyway (in my opinion) and since its my first attempt I'm kinda afraid that I'll damage it by shaking the jars up....

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Re: Jars colonizing, is it mycelium or mold?? (pics included) [Re: iamyour_messiah]
    #5604206 - 05/08/06 08:22 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

it looks great!

i would shake those... this way you make sure all the inside is also colonized befor you spawn/case it (since then you know for sure how well it's colonized on the inside and you can astimate how much time you need to wait after it looks 100% covered from the outside)

but then again... i have no expiriance with grains... just seems like commons sense to me :smirk:


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Re: Jars colonizing, is it mycelium or mold?? (pics included) [Re: Simisu]
    #5604333 - 05/08/06 09:32 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

It looks almost fully colonized, so I wouldn't shake at this point. The time to shake is when the jars are at the stage of your first pictures at the start of the thread. That will spread the colonized kernels around so they can inoculate the rest. Those will be ready to spawn to manure in a week or less.
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Re: Jars colonizing, is it mycelium or mold?? (pics included) [Re: RogerRabbit]
    #5604441 - 05/08/06 10:17 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

tbh, at the rate they are going now, considering how they looked like 2 days ago when I started this thread, I think these jars will be ready in like 3 more days, tops.

Nonetheless, though, that leaves me with a problem. I wanted to do a mono tub by using the rye as spawn for straw...but I'm pretty sure these 3 pint jars wont be enough for that, which is why I made 4 more pints jars. THose 4 new ones won't be ready for another while though.

So from that 2 new questions arise. First of all, would using 3 pints as spawn as opposed to 5 or 6 make the colonization of the straw take literally twice as long?
And secondly, is it possible to store fully colonized jars in the fridge and have them stay good, much like when u put clones/cuttings in the fridge and can let them root later on??

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Re: Jars colonizing, is it mycelium or mold?? (pics included) [Re: iamyour_messiah]
    #5604492 - 05/08/06 10:35 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Yes and Yes. You could use less straw to keep the spawn to substrate ratio high. I would wait until the other jars colonize and make a nice size bulk though.


Ive kept spawn in the fridge for months before.


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Good now thats clear.WHO FUCKING CARES. If I am fat u all keep pointing it out like its suppose to be a secret.LIke u really have nothing better to do then make fat jokes. If o know its like I do I know yall can come up with NEW AND BETTER SHIT . This shit is old and boring . I left in the first place cause this shit got boring not because of the fat jokes . Fat jokes dont bother me but seriously its old[/quote]

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Re: Jars colonizing, is it mycelium or mold?? (pics included) [Re: Psychoslut]
    #5604508 - 05/08/06 10:43 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

And the spawn won't be stunted or loose its vigor in any way after a prolonged fridge session? (Well, I guess it'll only be a week to week and a half tops, but still....)

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Re: Jars colonizing, is it mycelium or mold?? (pics included) [Re: iamyour_messiah]
    #5604522 - 05/08/06 10:49 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

It will be fine. The fridge will just lower its metabolism so it doesn't continue to break down the grain and such as that. When it warms back up it will rejuvenate.


You could just leave it at room temp if it is only going to be 10 days or so.


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[quote]KristiMidocean said:
Good now thats clear.WHO FUCKING CARES. If I am fat u all keep pointing it out like its suppose to be a secret.LIke u really have nothing better to do then make fat jokes. If o know its like I do I know yall can come up with NEW AND BETTER SHIT . This shit is old and boring . I left in the first place cause this shit got boring not because of the fat jokes . Fat jokes dont bother me but seriously its old[/quote]

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Re: Jars colonizing, is it mycelium or mold?? (pics included) [Re: Psychoslut]
    #5604609 - 05/08/06 11:26 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Shaking now will make shaking later much easier because it isn't so tightly knit at least this has always been my experience, shaking is not just for colonization. :wink:


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Re: Jars colonizing, is it mycelium or mold?? (pics included) [Re: hyphae]
    #5604612 - 05/08/06 11:28 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Im not the one who told him not to shake :wink:


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Good now thats clear.WHO FUCKING CARES. If I am fat u all keep pointing it out like its suppose to be a secret.LIke u really have nothing better to do then make fat jokes. If o know its like I do I know yall can come up with NEW AND BETTER SHIT . This shit is old and boring . I left in the first place cause this shit got boring not because of the fat jokes . Fat jokes dont bother me but seriously its old[/quote]

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Re: Jars colonizing, is it mycelium or mold?? (pics included) [Re: Psychoslut]
    #5604621 - 05/08/06 11:30 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Never said you were, are we on the defensive this morning? BTW I was just referring to RR's comment :rockon:


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Re: Jars colonizing, is it mycelium or mold?? (pics included) [Re: hyphae]
    #5604656 - 05/08/06 11:40 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

I'm not on the defensive. Just learn to use reply properly and that wouldn't happen :grin:.


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Good now thats clear.WHO FUCKING CARES. If I am fat u all keep pointing it out like its suppose to be a secret.LIke u really have nothing better to do then make fat jokes. If o know its like I do I know yall can come up with NEW AND BETTER SHIT . This shit is old and boring . I left in the first place cause this shit got boring not because of the fat jokes . Fat jokes dont bother me but seriously its old[/quote]

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Re: Jars colonizing, is it mycelium or mold?? (pics included) [Re: Psychoslut]
    #5606102 - 05/08/06 06:38 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

I usually do but sometimes I'm in a hurry especially during my 1/2hr. lunch. You know you didn't say that so you must of had a good idea who I was referencing to right? :wink: BTW I never get tired of your avatar! Shes got the rhythm alright!  :thumbup:


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    #5606148 - 05/08/06 06:51 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

I just wanted to make it clear that I didnt say that.



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Good now thats clear.WHO FUCKING CARES. If I am fat u all keep pointing it out like its suppose to be a secret.LIke u really have nothing better to do then make fat jokes. If o know its like I do I know yall can come up with NEW AND BETTER SHIT . This shit is old and boring . I left in the first place cause this shit got boring not because of the fat jokes . Fat jokes dont bother me but seriously its old[/quote]

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Re: Jars colonizing, is it mycelium or mold?? (pics included) [Re: Psychoslut]
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    #5606272 - 05/08/06 07:27 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Talk to the P&S fags


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Good now thats clear.WHO FUCKING CARES. If I am fat u all keep pointing it out like its suppose to be a secret.LIke u really have nothing better to do then make fat jokes. If o know its like I do I know yall can come up with NEW AND BETTER SHIT . This shit is old and boring . I left in the first place cause this shit got boring not because of the fat jokes . Fat jokes dont bother me but seriously its old[/quote]

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there's a guy on here with gay porn all over his Sig and avatar, it takes up the whole fucking screen... and they take away your little 1 inch avatar. WTF!?!?


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Re: Jars colonizing, is it mycelium or mold?? (pics included) [Re: EquilibriuM]
    #5606294 - 05/08/06 07:32 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

I dunno doesnt that mycelium seem kinda clear? My mycelium has always been thick and you cant see no grains.


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Re: Jars colonizing, is it mycelium or mold?? (pics included) [Re: mikeownow]
    #5606322 - 05/08/06 07:39 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

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mikeownow said:
I dunno doesnt that mycelium seem kinda clear? My mycelium has always been thick and you cant see no grains.





That is because the mycelium is growing thin so as to cover as much grain as fast as possible. It will thicken up after all the grain is covered.


If the growth is thick the entire time theres a problem with moisture, gas exchange, or temperature. Thick growth= slow growth


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Re: Jars colonizing, is it mycelium or mold?? (pics included) [Re: mikeownow]
    #5606459 - 05/08/06 08:21 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Also slightly dryer substrate produces wispier myc. Remember myc thrives in moisture!


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Re: Jars colonizing, is it mycelium or mold?? (pics included) [Re: hyphae]
    #5613872 - 05/10/06 05:39 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Ok so here I am again with yet another picture update. Sorry to keep coming back all the time, but since this is the first time I ever see any activity in a jar I'm pretty exited and maybe overly attentive. Problem is now the 3 jars are pretty much 100% colonized....but whats unsettling is these very pale yelow areas I'm seeing here and there. Ive circled them in the pics to make it more obvious what it is that I'm talking about, although you might have to actually click on the pics to see the circles









ALthough I've heard of ppl talking about "myc piss" before I imagined that came in the form of yellow moisture buildup on the bottom of the jar. If someone could please gimme some insight on this it would be much appreciated. I'm gonna bang my head in the wall if this turns out to be contamed....which I was under the impression didn't happen so easily once the jars reach this stage.

thx in advance

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Re: Jars colonizing, is it mycelium or mold?? (pics included) [Re: iamyour_messiah]
    #5613927 - 05/10/06 05:56 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

myc piss for sure
no prob.


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Re: Jars colonizing, is it mycelium or mold?? (pics included) [Re: monstermitch]
    #5614161 - 05/10/06 06:42 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Yea, myc piss. Use them whenever you you time/are ready. The only times I get myc piss is when the myc is ready to either colonize or fruit and is left in the incubator.


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Re: Jars colonizing, is it mycelium or mold?? (pics included) [Re: Solidcell]
    #5614194 - 05/10/06 06:48 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Heh, they actually arnt fully colonized yet. I just gave you guys a nice kodak moment type pic by turning them to the right side. TOmorrow they'll be done tho I expect....and then its on to the fridge I guess till the other jars are ready. Sadly they arn't even showing any signs of growth yet, but then again it has only been like 2 or 3 days since inoculation.

thx for the reasurance guys

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