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OfflineTheGus
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Re: Jesus' teachings [Re: Roker]
    #5597044 - 05/06/06 06:50 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

ask god, in all honesty the teachings of jesus were simple, you know all the hippie stuff, love your fellow man, that sort of thing

as for the stories he told these guys have alot of good references already plus i dont really know any more

i will point out that prayer is a good precursor to telepathy, its being able to interpret pure thought (higher power, ie. god) into a language comprehendible by us simple mortals, this helps you become more sensetive to this sort of thing for when you are around other people

i can very often read people's thoughts... which is weird to say the least, like i can answer their question before they ask it, or say the same thing they are saying

anyway

peace


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Re: Jesus' teachings [Re: TheGus]
    #5597080 - 05/06/06 07:16 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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i can very often read people's thoughts...




not even remotely interested.  amazing how this thread turned from jesus to you.

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Re: Jesus' teachings [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #5597140 - 05/06/06 07:49 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

1 John 4:1-3
Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world. Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God: And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.

2 John 1:7
For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist.


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Re: Jesus' teachings [Re: fivepointer]
    #5598542 - 05/06/06 06:43 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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fivepointer said:
1 John 4:1-3
Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world. Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God: And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.

2 John 1:7
For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist.




The letters of John are later pieces of writing (John's Gospel now being thought to have been penned about 90 years C.E.), and the particular passages that you quoted are insertions that were made specifically to combat the main competition for doctrinal dominance - namely, Gnosticism. All Gnostic schools were not Docetic and even today, most Literalists do not understand that the 'apparent' body of Jesus is a metaphor for ALL of our situations. That is, all of our bodies are ephemeral (they arise from two cells, develop, peak, age, decline, die, decay and disappear). Taken in a 'time-lapse' photography, if that were possible over a human lifespan, one could more clearly see that. The [Christ] Consciousness that characterizes the human 'BEING' is that which is eternal. If eternal, it is co-extensive with the nature of GOD (it being absurd to say that a temporal being can be made to be eternal. Eternal means uncreated).

The Qur'an apparently views Jesus as either having had a 'phantom' form, or that someone replaced Him on the cross (because supposedly a 'cursed' death would not occur to a 'prophet' of GOD). In the Islamic writing, one can take it (like the Bible) either literally, or metaphorically, which would be the Gnostic method. There, the idea is that while a man's body can certainly be killed, the essential nature is uncreated. Of course, here, as in Christian gnosis, this means that Jesus the Christ is (historically real or not) The Archetype, Holy Paradigm, Cosmic Man, or whatever one wishes to refer to that Reality which is True for every human being. The mythic, midrashic, metaphysical statements therefore about 'the Logos incarnate,' in this method of interpretation applies equally to every one of us - yet most individuals do not REALIZE (make Real) this Truth in their lives. This then is the Gnostic position - not to place Jesus upon a pedestal to be worshiped like a pagan god, but to Realize that 'ye are gods' yourselves, made 'in the image and likeness' of GOD, to be Realized through our individual lives.

It can serve no practical purpose to place Jesus on a pedestal (so-to-speak). One must incorporate Christ so that one is transformed along the lines of Paul's "I live, yet not I; Christ liveth in me." Our personal ego is dethroned as the perishable embodied self, and the Eternal Being is recognized as being the Ultimately True animating force in our being. The paradox: 'I live, yet not I,' affirmation and negation of personal selfhood resulting in a nullification of our personal egos. We are thus 'crucified' and die (as ego), while Christ replaces the Center of our psychospiritual inner lives. Resurrection, Gnostic style.

Take it or leave it, but for gnostic Christians, this process (also grounded in Pauline words) has real transforming and experiential value, whereas the tomb narratives simply serve to describe the outer form of the myth. The True Resurrection is as I have interpreted here. The description of the Resurrection, of course, is THE Sacred Mystery which 'no eye has seen nor heart conceived.' Certainly, a resusitation of a corpse is not a description of a Holy Mystery, but the mythic symbol which points to the utterly mysterious and transcendental.


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Re: Jesus' teachings [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #5600315 - 05/07/06 07:57 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

and what gospel is that part in?

:lol: ...  jk


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Re: Jesus' teachings [Re: kotik]
    #5600457 - 05/07/06 09:15 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Which part? Gnostic Resurrection is about Realization of our deepest identity with GOD. Not the anthropomorphic 'Old-Bearded-Guy-in-the-Sky' YHWH/Jehovah, but the Fulness [Pleroma] of the Godhead. It is not about form. The Resurrection 'body' does not mean a human-shaped ghostly form of the physical that is going to walk about on a transfigured Earth. The 'body' is the 'Mystical Body' of Christ - the Pleroma itself. I'm sorry if ecstasis in Undifferentiated Unity makes no sense to readers or is frightening or unwanted; or if people look forward to the heaven depicted in the Robin Williams film 'What Dreams May Come.'


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Re: Jesus' teachings [Re: kotik]
    #5600544 - 05/07/06 09:57 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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:lol: ...  jk




my attempt at sarcasm, just throwing out a typical literalist comment.


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Re: Jesus' teachings [Re: kotik]
    #5600722 - 05/07/06 11:04 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

I know. Regardless. You were motivated respond. Sarcasm is just some stuff that you jam yourself with. The important aspect of you saw my post. I needn't stop at sarcasm when I can address That which is beneath it.


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