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Im In.
    #5592308 - 05/04/06 11:58 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

I say let them in, let them organize and let them take office.

Im talking Mexicans.

After all the debating the imigration issue, the poverty the illegals cause and the general Latinization of America I still can only put my vote one way on everything... :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup:

They are still the only "Americans" with enough balls to organize and protest in great numbers against our government.


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Re: Im In. [Re: GabbaDj]
    #5592354 - 05/05/06 12:14 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

True That


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Re: Im In. [Re: GabbaDj]
    #5592438 - 05/05/06 12:47 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

If they are Mexicans how can you then turn right around and call them Americans?

I have problems with foreigners coming on my soil and protesting my government. If they really had balls they would stay at home and protest their own government instead of breaking our laws by entering this country illegally.


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Re: Im In. [Re: GabbaDj]
    #5592747 - 05/05/06 02:53 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

I don't care about their balls. I care about how they impact this country.


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Re: Im In. [Re: RandalFlagg]
    #5593026 - 05/05/06 06:25 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

They are NORTH AMERICANS, and one might point out that we stole this country from the original inhabitants, who were blood to the mexicans.

Gregorio man, you are a trained sheep. Do you follow the laws when you choose to put a drug into your system? Something tells me that since your here that is a no. Unless you enjoy being hippocritical dont look down on others who are breaking our law, for something much more important than a high.

If they could support themselves and their families in Mexico dont you think they would have? After all these are the poorest of the poor in mexico. Of course they tried giving it a go first in Mexico, but they can protest all they want there and tell me if it will create 100,000 more jobs?

You tell me an option that can give everyone of those men, who work a shitload harder than you ever have in your life greg, a job in mexico.

THen and only then will I be on your side.

I value a person, a little higher than the state, and feel a need to help the one in bad times and teh other not at all. I know I know crazy right. WHo knew?


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Re: Im In. [Re: blaze2]
    #5593043 - 05/05/06 06:48 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

> Do you follow the laws when you choose to put a drug into your system?

Do you follow the laws when you choose not to murder or rape somebody? I object to drug laws because they are laws that regulate moral values. Laws against illegal aliens are not designed to "make me a better person".

> You tell me an option that can give everyone of those men, who work a shitload harder than you ever have in your life greg, a job in mexico.

Somebody needs to get off their ego driven high and mighty perch and stop assuming they know the hardships that others have endured. Life sucks, but that doesn't give me the right to walk into a bank and demand they give me money any more than it gives an illegal alien the right to walk into a country and demand the country give him a job. I'm sure everybody should have the same money and power that Bill Gates has, but the world doesn't work that way. Yeah, it sucks, but pretending that everything will be fine if we all close our eyes isn't going to help anybody.

Again, I have no issue with legal immigrants that want to come into the country. It is the illegal aliens that are stealing jobs, stealing tax money, over burdening the "system", demanding a culture change, and refusing to admit that they are law breakers that annoy me to no end. If we got rid of all the illegal aliens, there would be a lot more room to bring in more legal immigrants.


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Re: Im In. [Re: Seuss]
    #5593055 - 05/05/06 06:59 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

I do know teh hardships of illegals I've worked side by side with them for the last year or so on various construction sites man.

Let me try again to get to heart of the matter here. If you have a small kid right, and a wife, and no job in mexico, how are you going to support them? Dont tell me legally immigrate, when every dime goes to food its hard to afford, or that they shouldnt have had the kid either. As you said life sucks, this is the way it is, they can either a)join the criminal underground of Mexico, or b) sneak across a border into country that used to be theirs and do manuel labour for dirt cheap?

Sounds like to me these are GOOD men, who were backed into a corner. They didnt choose crime in any event.

Now for some relevent Bible stuff,

"When King David had no food and was starving in the desert, he did sneak into teh tabernacle adn eat from the offering plate bread which was not lawful for him to eat." Jesus, Gospel of St. Matthew

I might be a little off since I drew it from memory, but the substance is right. Peace

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Re: Im In. [Re: Seuss]
    #5593056 - 05/05/06 07:00 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Seuss stated: Life sucks, but that doesn't give me the right to walk into a bank and demand they give me money any more than it gives an illegal alien the right to walk into a country and demand the country give him a job.


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Re: Im In. [Re: blaze2]
    #5593060 - 05/05/06 07:02 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Also to say you are more worried about the "burden on the system" than a human life, is quite low man. I had thought you were better than that.


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Re: Im In. [Re: blaze2]
    #5593181 - 05/05/06 08:21 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Brains are meant for thinking, not hearts.


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Re: Im In. [Re: WhiteRabbitt]
    #5593229 - 05/05/06 08:45 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

If we worried 100% about the "system", and let any swinging dick in this country, we would not have a country at all, and the burden to the legal inhabitants of this country would be enormous!


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Re: Im In. [Re: WhiteRabbitt]
    #5593242 - 05/05/06 08:50 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

> If you have a small kid right, and a wife, and no job in mexico, how are you going to support them?

So you are claiming that the entire population of Mexico is lost and the only way for the entire population of Mexico to support itself is to move north to the US?

Again, my gripe is not against legal immigrants, it is against illegals that steal from both the US tax payers and from the non-US folks that stand patiently in line waiting their turn. I don't let people cut in front of me in line at the grocery store, and I don't like to see people cut in line for immigration, because they have needs above and beyond those that are following the law.

> I do know teh hardships of illegals I've worked side by side with them for the last year or so on various construction sites man.

Hardships... I have a friend that is an illegal from Sri Lanka. His father was a university professor. When he was ten years old, the local militia stormed his home. They forced him to watch while they killed his father and raped and killed his mother. He was taken to prison and tossed in with the adult population. Trust me, you don't want to know the hardships he endured in prison, as a ten year old boy. Shortly after he turned sixteen, he escaped from prison and snuck onto a barge. The barge happened to end up in the Caribbean, which is where he is now. He is working on getting political asylum, but it has been difficult, and with recent changes in the law, is unlikely to happen... (No BS on this story, it is true.)

Getting back to the point of the thread... the world is full of hardship. If the US had 100% open borders, the hardship in the world would not end, or even change. If you are really worried about illegal aliens living difficult lives, then it would make much more sense to push for projects that help them where they live rather than relocating them. If the only way to get a job in Mexico is to sell your soul to the mafia, then we need to spend money helping Mexico defeat their mafia.


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Re: Im In. [Re: Seuss]
    #5593273 - 05/05/06 09:01 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

id like to see 1,000,000 americans marching into mexico and protesting to the people for flooding our workforce.

or better yet, 1,000,000 americans and 1,000,000 mexicans protesting businesses here in america that hire illegal immigrants deliberatly.


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Re: Im In. [Re: kotik]
    #5593628 - 05/05/06 11:01 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

The fact that people even need to leave their countries to get to the US is a bold statement about our strangelhold of the world's resources.

It may be their karma to be poor and impoverished but frankly...... open all borders, in all nations. Let everyone go where they please. Then and only then will the PEOPLE of the Earth control the NATIONS of the Earth....

America has to share, at the very least with AMERICANS because look at how bad we have it..... we have extreme poverty and we don't give a damn..... the middle class is eroding but we can afford to spend $60 billion a year flying around looking for marijuana plants, destroying them, then destroying them again, then destroying them again.

It's straight out of 1984, we have enough to feed everyone but a lot of what we produce we deliberately destroy...... the deparment of plenty, right? We are spending billions and billions each year just pouring money down the toilet for the war on drugs...... this is because we DON'T want to impower the lower class, we want to impoverish and imprison them......

and yet we are still the richest nation in the world, and becasue of our presence other nations suffer, we have 2/3 the resources right? Well I say, Mexicans, Cubans, Canadians, everyone, come on in.... take our trash... take what we aren't willing to pay you very much for... you are more than welcome and more than deserving.

You know what? They say illegal immigrants take our jobs.... but do you know how much we pay them? We pay them shit wages....... for jobs that we don't want to do. Maybe if we gave them rights and payed them minimum wage there wouldn't be an illegal immigration problem......

because these greedy corporations want slave labor. They want to lock you up in their store and make you clean it over night and sleep there for next to NO PAY.... but imagine if suddenly they had to PAY THESE PEOPLE WHAT THEY'VE EARNED.... oh mighty me maybe they would say "why bother hiring "illegals" we'd might as well just pay AMERICANS to do this job.......

but you know what frankly............ we the US are hoarding and greedy.... I want us to prosper, but not at the expense of the rest of the world.

First....... feed and clothe OUR citizens....... stop burning the money it would take to do so, because we HAVE THE MONEY. No war on drugs tomorrow, and we could probably feed and clothe just about every American in the nation ......... fix our country... let our people have some of the wealth.

Then.......... stop hoarding. Share.........

It's idealistic, it will never happen. But I fully support the erosion of formalized "nations" with "power" and "control" let people work wherever they want..... let the wealth disperse evenly...... what we spend on WAR in one year is almost enough to feed the entire planet do you realize that? Maybe if we fed the entire planet and helped educate and middle-classify the entire planet there wouldn't be so much terrorism in it, and so much illegal immigration?

I don't know.

I don't know what I'm saying but I say..... I say people deserve to be fed. Clothed. To support their families (but having a kid should be a very important decision, not something to be done lightly) and I say human life comes before any notion of "nation"


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Re: Im In. [Re: leery11]
    #5593836 - 05/05/06 12:05 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

leery11 writes:

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The fact that people even need to leave their countries to get to the US is a bold statement about our strangelhold of the world's resources.




Oh, please! The US buys resources at prices set by the seller.

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America has to share, at the very least with AMERICANS because look at how bad we have it..... we have extreme poverty and we don't give a damn..... the middle class is eroding ...




The US has almost no "extreme poverty", the US does give a damn (see massive and ever-increasing expenitures on social programs, i.e. welfare), and the middle class is not "eroding".

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It's straight out of 1984, we have enough to feed everyone but a lot of what we produce we deliberately destroy.....




Have you actually read 1984? It's about totalitarianism, not about food redistribution.

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and yet we are still the richest nation in the world, and becasue of our presence other nations suffer, we have 2/3 the resources right?




Wrong. The US doesn't have 2/3 the resources. The US does however trade for resources located in other countries.

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You know what? They say illegal immigrants take our jobs.... but do you know how much we pay them? We pay them shit wages....... for jobs that we don't want to do. Maybe if we gave them rights and payed them minimum wage there wouldn't be an illegal immigration problem......




As has been detailed here many MANY times before, most illegals get paid better than minimum wage. Standard rate for hiring day laborers from the Seven Eleven parking lots all through the Southwest is US $80 a day with zero deductions, plus lunch plus transportation to the jobsite.

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But I fully support the erosion of formalized "nations" with "power" and "control" let people work wherever they want..... let the wealth disperse evenly......




I have no problems with letting wealth disburse itself. I have a big problem with governments seizing by force the property of some and handing it over to others.

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I don't know what I'm saying ...




No shit. No one else does, either.

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. I say people deserve to be fed. Clothed.




Fed by whom? Clothed by whom?

Dude, it's no wonder you are frothing at the mouth -- you have no grasp of facts and less grasp of economics. Your vision of what is going on bears virtually no connection to actual reality. If the world were really as you imagine it to be, I'd be pissed off, too. Thank goodness it isn't.



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Re: Im In. [Re: Phred]
    #5593898 - 05/05/06 12:18 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

The USA is to blame for everything!!

For lerry11 to suggest that the USA has a severe poverty problem tells me two things: one, he has never traveled to a real impoverished nation, or two, he has never been to the Unites States.

When I did a humanitarian mission while in the service, I went to Eritrea, a country that borders Ethiopia. You want to see poverty, thats poverty.


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Where the fear has gone there will be nothing. Only I will remain.”


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Re: Im In. [Re: Phred]
    #5594064 - 05/05/06 12:55 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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Phred said:
leery11 writes:

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The fact that people even need to leave their countries to get to the US is a bold statement about our strangelhold of the world's resources.




Oh, please! The US buys resources at prices set by the seller.

See here again you took this at face value. You saw resources and thought of oil, and metal and all that jazz, I realized this guy was talking about resources like public services, and jobs. We make those we dont buy them man, and if we werent assholes just like the rest of the world see us we would share, and yes that means losing some of our own high quality of life. I can live with that because I know I have no more right to be this pampered as we are than anyone else. In fact I know its wrong to be this pampered, especially when the world is suffering.

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America has to share, at the very least with AMERICANS because look at how bad we have it..... we have extreme poverty and we don't give a damn..... the middle class is eroding ...




The US has almost no "extreme poverty", the US does give a damn (see massive and ever-increasing expenitures on social programs, i.e. welfare), and the middle class is not "eroding".

There are over 100,000 street people in teh US, they live in the shadows and sewers of our cities, I know this because San Antonio has one of teh highest homeless communities in the nation. To me 100,000 people is more than "almost none".

I like how you justify it since you like you say we are "ever increasing our social progams". True statement what does that tell you? It tells me that that is not the way to fix anything, and it never will be. People need someone to show them a way, they are sheep without a sheperd. Id spend that money on fewer people and guides to get them out of the gutter. Of course that would require an american to actual care about a homeless person. Oh well it was a good idea I guess.


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It's straight out of 1984, we have enough to feed everyone but a lot of what we produce we deliberately destroy.....




Have you actually read 1984? It's about totalitarianism, not about food redistribution.

I have read that and your right it is alot worse. That said any totalitarianism is wrong, and that is what teh US practices on drugs, and other foriegn issues.

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and yet we are still the richest nation in the world, and becasue of our presence other nations suffer, we have 2/3 the resources right?




Wrong. The US doesn't have 2/3 the resources. The US does however trade for resources located in other countries.

Id liek to see a figure on this I'm pretty sure that the US has consumed 2/3 of the worlds in use resources. On an interesting side note, I recently read that all the metal in all the world couldnt support our current population of the world all living the rich life of an american. There would be no more metal man. Are you sure the american way is right?

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You know what? They say illegal immigrants take our jobs.... but do you know how much we pay them? We pay them shit wages....... for jobs that we don't want to do. Maybe if we gave them rights and payed them minimum wage there wouldn't be an illegal immigration problem......




As has been detailed here many MANY times before, most illegals get paid better than minimum wage. Standard rate for hiring day laborers from the Seven Eleven parking lots all through the Southwest is US $80 a day with zero deductions, plus lunch plus transportation to the jobsite.

Yea thats about right for construction day labourer, but these are jobs that americans ARE willing to do. I know cause I work it. THe low paying jobs for mexicans are all the janiter and dishwasher and such type jobs. Service industry in other words. Which is where all teh womenly illegals end up.

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But I fully support the erosion of formalized "nations" with "power" and "control" let people work wherever they want..... let the wealth disperse evenly......




I have no problems with letting wealth disburse itself. I have a big problem with governments seizing by force the property of some and handing it over to others.

Well how can that be man when thats how our great country was founded remember the indians, you know this isnt american soil really right?

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I don't know what I'm saying ...




No shit. No one else does, either.

You would quote that just to act the fool.

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. I say people deserve to be fed. Clothed.




Fed by whom? Clothed by whom?

Dude, it's no wonder you are frothing at the mouth -- you have no grasp of facts and less grasp of economics. Your vision of what is going on bears virtually no connection to actual reality. If the world were really as you imagine it to be, I'd be pissed off, too. Thank goodness it isn't.

first your questions. WE should be feeding and clothing people. WE are the rich of teh earth. We are too greedy to give up anything, and it makes me and guys like leery with an actual conscience feel sick.

That last paragraph is amazing. I assume since your not worried YOU MUST HAVE TEH BEST GRASP ON REALITY HUH? I see right through you. If you actually believe what you wrote is moral, because thats what we are talking about here not money management, then I'll give up, cause not even God could change the devils mind when it was made up.








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Re: Im In. [Re: Seuss]
    #5594135 - 05/05/06 01:12 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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Seuss said:
> If you have a small kid right, and a wife, and no job in mexico, how are you going to support them?

So you are claiming that the entire population of Mexico is lost and the only way for the entire population of Mexico to support itself is to move north to the US?

Again, my gripe is not against legal immigrants, it is against illegals that steal from both the US tax payers and from the non-US folks that stand patiently in line waiting their turn. I don't let people cut in front of me in line at the grocery store, and I don't like to see people cut in line for immigration, because they have needs above and beyond those that are following the law.

Wow man nowhere did I say that everyone in mexico is lost. I'm just talking about people coming over here since they cant seem to find a job in their own country. Of course mexicans have jobs and have just dandy lives, but that isnt the case if you are trying to sneak into your neighboring country.

Man you just tole me worlds about your morality man. If you are so greedy as to never give up your place in a line, then you are probrobly too greedy to wrap your mind about human compassion thats a shame.

They do have needs above and beyond the legal immigrants. If you legally immigrate then you have to money which means that they also had money for food for the family and kids. An illegal needs to get across now not a half year later. Their kids have no food NOW.


> I do know teh hardships of illegals I've worked side by side with them for the last year or so on various construction sites man.

Hardships... I have a friend that is an illegal from Sri Lanka. His father was a university professor. When he was ten years old, the local militia stormed his home. They forced him to watch while they killed his father and raped and killed his mother. He was taken to prison and tossed in with the adult population. Trust me, you don't want to know the hardships he endured in prison, as a ten year old boy. Shortly after he turned sixteen, he escaped from prison and snuck onto a barge. The barge happened to end up in the Caribbean, which is where he is now. He is working on getting political asylum, but it has been difficult, and with recent changes in the law, is unlikely to happen... (No BS on this story, it is true.)

I believe you, but I dont understand the point of bringing this up. This man had to endure what most would call much worse "hardships"(boy that really is a quaint little word for sucky life isnt?), but that doesnt mean that anyone elses hardships are not still hardships. Just curious here how many "hardships" would you say you've had in life? Ill guess not many. Of course people would rather be here.

I just thought of an analgoy, If you put a cookie jar on teh counter the cookies are gonna get eaten. The world is that counter top, the cookie jar america. It would be like teh cookie jar making up laws about who can and cant have its cookies. In the real world the laws are not written by man, but by God or in this case the mom who baked the cookies in teh first place.

God said, "Love thy neighbor"


Getting back to the point of the thread... the world is full of hardship. If the US had 100% open borders, the hardship in the world would not end, or even change. If you are really worried about illegal aliens living difficult lives, then it would make much more sense to push for projects that help them where they live rather than relocating them. If the only way to get a job in Mexico is to sell your soul to the mafia, then we need to spend money helping Mexico defeat their mafia.




IT would not end but it would lessen, and our greatness would lessen it would be closer to an equal society. I cant see how that is a bad thing, unless you are greedy adn afriad of change. Which i suppose you are.

And you very well know the mafia cant be defeated, just liek teh insurgents cant be defeated, teh just liek teh war on drugs can never be won. To pretend it can is detrimental to society. And if they did somehow get rid of the mexican mafia, then all it would do is make millions more mexican jobless, homeless, and quite likely on their way to american border.

Wake up and smell reality some time my friend. Its not as bad as you would think.


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Re: Im In. [Re: blaze2]
    #5594288 - 05/05/06 01:45 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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They are NORTH AMERICANS




But they aren't American citizens.

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and one might point out that we stole this country from the original inhabitants, who were blood to the mexicans.




That's how it is. We have a nation and laws in place presently and that is what we go by. I don't go by "what-ifs" from hundreds of years ago.

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Unless you enjoy being hippocritical dont look down on others who are breaking our law




They do contribute to the economy, but they can also detract from it. They often use our services (public schools, welfare, etc..) without paying anything into the system. In other words, they are taking my money and I don't like that.


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    #5594434 - 05/05/06 02:15 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

I'd rather see more Americans moving south of the border and taking their money with them.

Individuals and voluntary collectives could finance development in underdeveloped areas of the world.

We could do that right here on the Shroomery. We could form a group, pool our resources and come up with a viable business plan. We could vote on members to send into Mexico to set the business up and hire people to work for us.

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    #5594602 - 05/05/06 03:06 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

No...But I eat at Taco Bell alot, that's gotta count for something.


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    #5594612 - 05/05/06 03:09 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

blaze2 stated: IT would not end but it would lessen, and our greatness would lessen it would be closer to an equal society. I cant see how that is a bad thing, unless you are greedy adn afriad of change. Which i suppose you are



America has EARNED or status as a county through blood, sweat, and tears. Life is not a cakewalk. For us to dissolve our country into a border less area of land, to whom all are welcome to rape as they see fit, is total bullshit to the people who have contributed so much for our way of life!!!!!

How come so many CANADIANS DON'T CROSS the border here illegally????

The answer: although they may have a different form of government, they at least created a society, were people can have some sort of a standard of living. Just because Mexico cannot accomplish this, does not mean we have to except them exporting their poverty!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


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    #5594689 - 05/05/06 03:32 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Canada was a country formed very recently from the british, same as us. People think America is responsible for being so great, bullshit. First off I say it isnt great, second off whatever you people value about life in america, is the direct result of EUROPE's technology advances pre-america. You think taht makes you better the mexicans who had no pre-existing infastructure to steal from teh british? I say your an ass. Instead of cutting them off we should be helping them.

And America NEVER earned the right to let greed drive their decisions. NO ONE HAS THAT RIGHT.



Baby_hitler you know what man? thats a great Idea. That is the way it should be, and I do speak some broken tex-mex, enough to communicate at least. Had a couple years in HS, and well this is south texas its kind of hard to get away from.

I would participate in a project of this sort. I wouldnt have any idea where to start something like this. So that I leave up to you and better minds in this area.

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    #5594715 - 05/05/06 03:41 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Now to be fair, most of the blood and tears weren't ours.:smirk:


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    #5594809 - 05/05/06 04:30 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Blaze 2 stated: First off I say it isnt great, second off whatever you people value about life in america, is the direct result of EUROPE's technology advances pre-america.



The light bulb? The television? The telephone? The automobile? The airplane? The assembly line? The microchip? All becuase of Europe, huh?

What the real greed is, IS THE FUCKING CORRUPT MEXICAN GOVERNMENT OFFICALS!!!!

Why do you think that country is so poor?????????


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    #5594812 - 05/05/06 04:31 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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You think taht makes you better the mexicans who had no pre-existing infastructure to steal from teh british? I say your an ass.




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    #5594887 - 05/05/06 05:00 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Why do I owe illegal immigrants a good life? Why do I owe the poor and starving overseas anything? I don't owe either of them a damn thing. I don't even owe the poor in the US anything, but I would happily help them before I gave a penny to anyone else in the world. At least when I contribute to charities where I live, I reap the positive externalities of their well-being.

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    #5595319 - 05/05/06 07:03 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Why do you think that you're entitled to be an American and they are not?


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    #5595530 - 05/05/06 07:58 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Baby Hitler said: Why do you think that you're entitled to be an American and they are not?




The 14th Amendment.

Also, why would they not consider me a Mexican if I moved to Mexico?


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    #5595592 - 05/05/06 08:23 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

The same reason I can't get EU citizenship without jumping through numerous hoops. I was born within the arbitrary lines which define the United States of America.

Also, I never said they couldn't be American. They should just go through the proper venues to become one.


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    #5595620 - 05/05/06 08:33 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

And anybody caught cheating doesn't go to the end of the line. He doesn't get back on the line at all. The illegals should have a six month window to get out and restart. Then they're done.


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    #5595851 - 05/05/06 09:28 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

If you had money to spend they wouldn't care if you were A Mexican or not.


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    #5596015 - 05/05/06 10:14 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

But would I really be treated as such?

You think I would be able to buy a taco at the same price as a person indigenous to Mexico?


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    #5597292 - 05/06/06 09:36 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Probably not.

It's too bad America isn't like that. The government won't let us charge people according to how much they can pay. In Mexico you have to haggle for everything, they'll try to gouge you because they would assume that you have more money.

So you have to haggle a little harder, big deal.


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    #5597322 - 05/06/06 09:50 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

I never paid more for tacos in Mexico then the Mexicans around me.  :undecided:


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    #5597535 - 05/06/06 11:28 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

The only time I ever went to mexico We spent a couple days haggling for stuff until we found the cheapest source. THe reason they were able to undercut everybody else's prices was because everybody else was getting their stuff from them.

There was a hierarchy. The lower on the totem pole someone was, the higher their prices were.

We were buying mostly stuff made in Mexico for tourists in shops just over the border. We never bought any food. We did get some Coronas for like $.25 each.

ANd a cheap ass bottle of tequila that looked like it was homade. It came in randomly shaped bottles with corks in them, not labeled bottles that had been capped by a machine.

We all turned beet red after drinking that shit.

The only time I think we got gouged was when we bought some cokes at a local shop. They cost us about the same as they would have in Texas.


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    #5597791 - 05/06/06 01:58 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

I been to Cancun, Rosarito, Encinatas, TJ, and southern Cali, which is basically Mexico......not trying to make price, as my main point, however

The reason I would not be treated like a Mexican....is because I am not one......just like them coming over here illegally...they are not Americans

(I been to the bottom of a homemade Mescal bottle....never forgot it had TWO worms...one black, one a rubbery gray......I also remeber turning bright red.......)


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Re: Im In. [Re: SirTripAlot]
    #5599062 - 05/06/06 09:38 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Quote:

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Blaze 2 stated: First off I say it isnt great, second off whatever you people value about life in america, is the direct result of EUROPE's technology advances pre-america.



The light bulb? The television? The telephone? The automobile? The airplane? The assembly line? The microchip? All becuase of Europe, huh?

What the real greed is, IS THE FUCKING CORRUPT MEXICAN GOVERNMENT OFFICALS!!!!

Why do you think that country is so poor?????????




DId you ever stop to think about the peices of those highly advanced peices of technology? Would anyone be able to make a TV without Glass? Metal working, airifoil(the shape of teh wing) was first drawn by Divinci, Everythign we have is built upon Europe. Reality is a bitch man.

And your right there is alot of corruption in mexico, just like teh United States. Get off your high horse. Peace

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    #5599070 - 05/06/06 09:41 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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Why do I owe illegal immigrants a good life? Why do I owe the poor and starving overseas anything? I don't owe either of them a damn thing. I don't even owe the poor in the US anything, but I would happily help them before I gave a penny to anyone else in the world. At least when I contribute to charities where I live, I reap the positive externalities of their well-being.

Many of us are just scraping by, but don't cry out with teary eyes and cupped hands. No one owes a thing to me, or me to them.




Again you are right, but do you only do for others when you owe them something?

And if you have acess to a computer, i would rather you dont say your just scraping by, because well I got to say thats a pretty cushy life compared to living in a hut. Come on man.

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    #5600777 - 05/07/06 11:24 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

I'm not sure where you're going with this "Europeans invented things" arguement.

Nobody can take credit for those inventions except the inventor themselves.

America didn't invent the light bulb, Thomas Edison did.

Some currently existing government/geographic region didn't invent glass, some dead people from some geographic region(s) did.

How does where they lived matter?


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Offlineblaze2
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Re: Im In. [Re: Baby_Hitler]
    #5600888 - 05/07/06 12:31 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

The point hitler is taht we got to run away from europe and use all that is had built to steal a north america from the Indians. Beyond that is the fact that we used the Indians and European countries like France to run the british off in the first place. We didnt earn anything it was given to us.

What did they get for helping out the americans? The indians got their land taken from them and raped, and the Europeans got a military superpower unparralled in teh history of the earth that all must tiptoe around now.

This is americas impact on the world. We dont impact the suffering of the poor at all, in fact we contribute. America throws money at its problems and says "Gee i wonder why that didnt work?" A nation of self righteous fools is how we will be remembered. Do you want that?

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Re: Im In. [Re: blaze2]
    #5601062 - 05/07/06 01:33 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

That was almost coherent. I don't know how you can live with the shame.
Amerikkka is T3h Suxxor. Woot woot woot.


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Re: Im In. [Re: SirTripAlot]
    #5601469 - 05/07/06 03:37 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Quote:

SirTripAlot said:
Blaze 2 stated: First off I say it isnt great, second off whatever you people value about life in america, is the direct result of EUROPE's technology advances pre-america.



The light bulb? The television? The telephone? The automobile? The airplane? The assembly line? The microchip? All becuase of Europe, huh?

What the real greed is, IS THE FUCKING CORRUPT MEXICAN GOVERNMENT OFFICALS!!!!

Why do you think that country is so poor?????????




I'm not taking sides on the issue of illegal immigrants, because I've never cared either way whether they are here or not. I'm pretty indifferent about the issue.

But I will point out that Mexico's poverty, and corresponding corruption, actually has quite a lot to do with the United States. Recall, for instance, the Mexican American War, in which the US the put pressure on Mexico to sell New Mexico and California to the US. When Mexico refused, Polk started sending troops into Mexico and building forts along the borders to try and bait Mexico into attacking. When they did, war was declared, which we won. After that New Mexico, California, and the Republic of Texas were annexed. Texas became a profitable slave state, and a couple of years ater the war was the California Gold Rush.

The US has been sitting atop Mexico for a long time. Don't think that it is any accident that we own the wealthiest land and they own the poorest. We took it from them (of course they took it from the Indians first).


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Re: Im In. [Re: gluke bastid]
    #5604287 - 05/08/06 09:07 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

i say boot em, or make em felons. then when we flood our jails with illegals or deport w/e, it might force a decriminalization of minor drugs :smile:

then again, we should really get some more people in the govt immigration industry so these people who want to get in legally dont have to wait so bloody long.


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Re: Im In. [Re: gluke bastid]
    #5607236 - 05/09/06 12:42 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Well that thread that Phred made about self loathing lefties... i think we found one.

This thread was hilarious though, thanks for the laughs.


On topic: I'm all for legal hard working immigrants but the illegals need to go. I just dont understand how "caring" people can support giving preferential treatment to disadvantaged mexicans simply because they share a border with us and its easier for them to sneak in.


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Re: Im In. [Re: Redstorm]
    #5607276 - 05/09/06 01:04 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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Redstorm said:
Why do I owe illegal immigrants a good life? Why do I owe the poor and starving overseas anything?




Because everything you have earned in your entire life is a result of the good fortune of being born in a rich country. If you were born in the wrong parts of the Sudan, or Eritrea, or hell, even in the slums of Nairobi, you would be suffering in terrible poverty, no matter how hard you worked.

You owe other people because you were born into a position vastly, vastly better than that of most of the world's population through no effort or endeavour of your own.


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Re: Im In. [Re: OJK]
    #5609197 - 05/09/06 03:19 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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Odiumjunkie said:
Because everything you have earned in your entire life is a result of the good fortune of being born in a rich country. If you were born in the wrong parts of the Sudan, or Eritrea, or hell, even in the slums of Nairobi, you would be suffering in terrible poverty, no matter how hard you worked.

You owe other people because you were born into a position vastly, vastly better than that of most of the world's population through no effort or endeavour of your own.




Because somebody was born into unfortunate circumstances that means I am beholden to them? Should we be forced to engage in altruism against our wills? No thanks. If you want to give to charity go ahead (I do this myself), but the second you demand that I do something I will tell you to fuck off.


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Re: Im In. [Re: RandalFlagg]
    #5609692 - 05/09/06 05:58 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Blaze2 stated:DId you ever stop to think about the peices of those highly advanced peices of technology? Would anyone be able to make a TV without Glass? Metal working, airifoil(the shape of teh wing) was first drawn by Divinci, Everythign we have is built upon Europe. Reality is a bitch man.


This is almost as funny, as when I saw you get banned. American ingenuity cannot be discredited.


Blaze2 stated:But I will point out that Mexico's poverty, and corresponding corruption, actually has quite a lot to do with the United States


Your right, everything is our fault. Since you make such accurate historical references, why dont you blame Spain for what they did in colonial times? Here is a search tip: Pueblo Indians........


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