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peace_n_love
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Mushroom Legalization
#5591618 - 05/04/06 08:42 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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For a while I was very pro-magic mushroom legalization. Now, however I'm slowly starting to retract my past views on the prohibition of this substance. Through past experiences I have found Magic Mushrooms to be the most sacred and spiritual thing I know. If it were to be legalized, don't you think a lot of stupid, ignorant assholes would just abuse mushrooms the same way people are abusing marijuana. I think through legalization it would take away a part of that mystique, and turn hallucinations into a common cliche. I personally would rather have it be prohibitted as opposed to abused.
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SapphireCat
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They were legal in ireland up until recently. But just because they were legal didn't make it the norm really. Most people still stuck with drink. The fear's huge in people, and from what i've seen the abusers of shrooms land on their asses one day and never touch them again.
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Re: Mushroom Legalization [Re: SapphireCat]
#5592351 - 05/05/06 12:12 AM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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I think the abuse potential for mushrooms isnt anywhere near the abuse potential marijuana has. Not only is the tolerance harder to overcome, but if you abuse a hallucinogen like that eventually it will catch up with you, and its usually not good.
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StickyWater
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Re: Mushroom Legalization [Re: Crestfallen]
#5592425 - 05/05/06 12:43 AM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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more ignorant assholes abuse this drug now just because they don't know anything about it... As others have already said... Mushrooms tend to have a way of weeding out the serious trippers from the screw ups
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Re: Mushroom Legalization [Re: StickyWater]
#5592439 - 05/05/06 12:47 AM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Keeping it illegal isn't the answer.
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shneck
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Re: Mushroom Legalization [Re: avapxia]
#5592507 - 05/05/06 01:21 AM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Following this logic, cars should be illegal too 'cause lots of assholes drive them and the consequencies are MUCH worse. We can't judge legalization pros and cons basing on the fact of existence of assholes. If it is legal it should be legal for all. We can't judge who's an asshole and who's a cool dude. This would only lead to segregation and corruption which is even worse than banning. History has proven lots of times that when something is allowed only for the chosen and is kept secret from the rest it always ends in a fuck-up. Legalization is like freedom and freedom is like pregnancy - it can't be partial.
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Re: Mushroom Legalization [Re: shneck]
#5593410 - 05/05/06 10:06 AM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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I agree with you shneck. Its pretty obvious to anyone who has tried abusing mushrooms that it dosent last long your mind and body tells you ("hey buddie that was the last trip your gonna take for a while")and you lose your grip for a while thats the moment when you learn respect for these mysterious mushrooms,i agree they are sacred and should be treated as such by informing people ,but by making it illegal you take the right away to be a free will being which is a right given to us by a higher level of conscious than our governments!!! peace.
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leery11
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Re: Mushroom Legalization [Re: RavisT]
#5593554 - 05/05/06 10:46 AM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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people already abuse the heck of out of mushrooms for the sake of getting wasted.
i think many of the people who would use them for sacred reasons are a little afraid about the laws and about how difficult it can be to score shrooms........ and would prefer them being legal so that they can have a safe tripping environment. for example with a group of friends, go out to a park, sit down, shroom, meditate. cop comes by and you say "hello sir, bless you" and he's like "well alright then have a good time" and leaves you be.
i mean for real mushrooms seem to be pretty big in some scenes and most of the people that use them, it's just for fun, any spiritual benefit is just a PLUS to the fun times........
i understand your reasoning but ultimately its either EVERY SINGLE MUSHROOM USER CAN BE IN PRISON FOR YEARS FOR THEIR SPIRITUAL USE or EVERY SINGLE MUSHROOM USER CAN USE WITHOUT PERSECUTION whether they are incompetent or not.
I think lack of persecution is the way to go even if mushrooms are sold in headshops and silly teenagers use them more.
I mean most of the shroomers I know seem to be somewhat respectful but I know one guy who says "you can't really have a bad time on mushrooms" and will just eat a whole bag without weighing them out....... he'll take acid and drink all the time and seems to just enjoy being wasted. I don't know if inside it's spiritual for him and he's just trying to sound cool, but he seems just like he wants to get fucked up is all.
and one of my friends did mushrooms and heroin at the same time..... for the hell of it. the kind of dude that just wants a good time on some drugs. he didn't like acid though and said it was a fear trip.
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Edited by leery11 (05/05/06 10:49 AM)
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Raeven
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Re: Mushroom Legalization [Re: leery11]
#5593678 - 05/05/06 11:17 AM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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The problem is that too many people just take mushrooms without giving second thought as to how many they took or what it does to them. Then they end up doing something stupid which endangers their life or someone elses and the mushrooms, being a drug (Weeeee! Scapegoats!) gets all the blame as usual and promptly is demonised/banned. It sucks but as long as there is stupid people, there will be stupid laws. Thats the best way I can put it.
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Re: Mushroom Legalization [Re: Raeven]
#5593879 - 05/05/06 12:14 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Hallucinogens need to be atleast decriminalized. I dont think the government has any right to tell us what we can and cannot put in out bodies, but if its going to be illegal, they need to atleast get rid of prison sentencing and fellony charges on them. Its sad to know people are in jail for just possessing shrooms or LSD or similar hallucinogens.
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DougFischer
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Re: Mushroom Legalization [Re: dedjam]
#5594222 - 05/05/06 01:35 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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I think people should have the right to choose what chemicals they put in their body.
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Ekstaza
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Re: Mushroom Legalization [Re: DougFischer]
#5594441 - 05/05/06 02:19 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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While I'm totally in agreement that the government doesn't have a right to tell us what to put unto our bodies, I also believe that far too many jerk offs are getting their hands on some shrooms.
As long as shrooms are used responsibly(in a safe manor with proper set and setting), I couldn't care less about your reason for using them. I use mushrooms to have a good time. So what? I'm not into the whole spirituality hype. Psilocybin gives me a great feeling with wonderfully interesting mind altering effects. I also like the amazing visuals. It helps me to make better choices but I don't consider it a sacred thing or a spiritual experience.
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leery11
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Re: Mushroom Legalization [Re: Raeven]
#5594561 - 05/05/06 02:50 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Quote:
Raeven said:
It sucks but as long as there is stupid people, there will be stupid laws. Thats the best way I can put it.
no dude it was stupid laws that created stupid people. Think about it, no matter how stupid you are, if you buy shrooms from a headshop they can be forced to sell in small quantities..... and they can be forced to tell you "okay man your first time only take this many.... these are very powerful and if you like that dose you can take more, but there's no rush, you can always come back and get more later.... don't hurry it"
buying it on the streets means some cool thug can down a whole bag to show how awesome he is and then freak out. but if he bought from a headshop they'd give him a lecture on safety, at least.
what does ANYONE know about mushroom safety? The government just says DON'T DO IT they don't say IF YOU DO IT, THIS HOW TO BE SAFE.
Plus pot..... pot was never abused.... until it was made illegal. It was not made illegal because it was abused. LSD and mushrooms kind of were I guess, because of the hippies......
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enderwood
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Re: Mushroom Legalization [Re: Ekstaza]
#5594562 - 05/05/06 02:51 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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It doesn't matter if they're legal or ilegal, people get their hands on them either way quite easily.
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KidgardFromSRQ
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Re: Mushroom Legalization [Re: enderwood]
#5594777 - 05/05/06 04:13 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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in florida theyre illegal but not really. u can have em fresh if u have an excuse like " i was picking them for my salad, i thought magic mushrooms grew in the forest." but thats what would hold up in court. cops would stil comfliscate it.
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Feelers
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America has a crazy amount of people in jail. 750 people per 100,000 making them the highest OECD country by far. My country (New Zealand) also has this problem - we are coming second - with 187 people per 100,000.
It's considered a problem here and we are looking at reforming the system, but man America's waaaay out there. The difference between first and second is a magnitude of 4. Crazy shit, and I think its mostly to do with drugs, as they have no early release for drug convictions. All that money going to waste too.
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shneck
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Re: Mushroom Legalization [Re: enderwood]
#5595022 - 05/05/06 05:36 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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"It doesn't matter if they're legal or ilegal, people get their hands on them either way quite easily."
Sorry, mate, it does matter and it matters a lot. Right now I am fully enjoying the doubtful social advantages of the drug war laws - I've spent some time in the can, I've lost my job, I can't leave the country I've been working in to go back home for a year until the court takes its decision, I will probably serve a half-year term after the court, I've already lost 2000euro for my lawyer's services, I've been deprived of my honestly earned 3500euro confiscated by the cops, I have to register twice a month in the local PD, I have to find a cheap hole to move from the flat I rented 'cause it's got too expensive for me all of a sudden, and I have little chance to find a new more or less decent job - for in this country a pot-smoker is a public enemy.
Stupid laws acquire great significance as soon as they hit you personally, trust me, mate, they do suck and they suck big time.
Nobody cares that you don't steal, rape or fall out of the pub drunk beyond recognition, that you are just a conscious individuum smoking quietly at your home and never violating public order in any way , - they poke their hypocritic noses into your personal life and philosophy, they cuff you, they strip you of everything you have, they storm your dwelling and leave it in post-tsunami state, they deprive you of means of existence and they tell you what you are allowed to do, think and say as if they own your life and mind - all IN THE NAME OF LAW. 
Percentage-wise the number of assholes among indigenous people is the same as among Europeans, we are all same human species in the long run. Yet, Indians don't really have problems related specifically to the legal status of mushrooms or mescalin cacti in their cultural tradition, I'd say their problems have rather started growing exponentially right after the stupid white men came bringing along their stupid laws and their stupid consumption/competition philosophy and their stupid artificial legal drugs.
Pot was used by humans for at least 12000 years and in these 12000 years there's not a single officially registered lethal case related to this drug's abuse.
Pot is banned for less than a century out of these 12000 years, and during these 70 years millions of people had their lives and families broken, millions have become ill or died in prisons, and hundreds of millions of people have their spirit crippled and trampled underfoot 'cause they know that they are criminals just because they smoke their bud, so they do it secretely in their hideouts with the doors locked, ready for being busted every fucking minute of their life.
Yes, stupid laws make people stupid by brainwashing them from their very childhood, by implanting nasty lies, fear and hypocrisy into their nature, by denying our rights and turning us into stupid laws' abiding packs of sheep ready to bare our sheepy teeth on anyone who just wants to enjoy his natural birth right.
Like I said before, when some people usurp the right to ban what has been here for millions of years before their first monkey ancestors left the jungle, and to decide who deserves having a share of natural pleasure and who does not, the result is inevitably the same - one big fuckup.
Banning the right of an individuum for his personal use of psychedelics stinks of inquisition, witch-hunting, sex or racial segregation, it's an ugly atavism of totalitarianism and it's a crime against personality.
Just 50 years ago the Law would send a nigger or a mexican to jail just because he dared to sit in a bus on a wrong seat or cast a look at a good white lady. He was regarded a CRIMINAL and that was THE LAW. Millions of white people voted for this Law and millions of white people took this Law for granted.
This law is no more, and now descendants of those millions of white people get rightfully indignant when they see it in the movies or read about these times in the books.
Now think about it and tell me that stupid laws don't make people stupid. 
Peace.
Edited by shneck (05/05/06 05:45 PM)
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TANZWUT
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Re: Mushroom Legalization [Re: shneck]
#5595066 - 05/05/06 05:51 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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i have always felt that most drugs should be legal. having them illegal just pushes them into the black market thus fueling all the things the goverment hates. with removing a main source of income for crime they gogverment would cripple them and plus the goverment will have more money combating other problems. what is needed it proper drug education about the effect and how drugs are missed used so when kids make up their mind whether to take drugs or not they are well informed, cause people take drugs regardless of the law so it is better if they know what they are doing and not bumbling into something blindly. like last year i met this guy who had only started smoking weed but he didnt like smoking to much and wanted to substatue it for shrooms. he was willing to do them without any knowladge of what he was doing and i had to sit him down and let him know what he was getting into and what he was wanting to do. i was even planning on taking them by himself! ignorace sometimes scares me cause who knows what coudl have happened to him if he did what he was planning.
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EmptySpace
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Re: Mushroom Legalization [Re: shneck]
#5595246 - 05/05/06 06:42 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Wow shneck, well written. Almost brought a tear to my eye. Keep up the strong heart, it all will come full circle. ...Hopefully. Peace
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the_psychonaut
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Re: Mushroom Legalization [Re: EmptySpace]
#5595554 - 05/05/06 08:08 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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ANYTHING THAT GROWS NATURALLY, OR OCCURS NATURALLY, WITHOUT ANY KIND OF SYNETHESIS SHOULD BE LEGAL.
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enderwood
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Just don't get caught.
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EquilibriuM
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Re: Mushroom Legalization [Re: enderwood]
#5595657 - 05/05/06 08:45 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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We shouldn't have to worry about "getting caught"
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grimR
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Re: Mushroom Legalization [Re: EquilibriuM]
#5595864 - 05/05/06 09:31 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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now why would they start legalizing things, they need funding for the drug war, legalizing drugs doesn't help this. It's all about money in the end.
Most people enjoy doing drugs because of the taboo behind them. I was reading on a topic on where a meth addict went to a country where it was legal. He ended up buying a lot and used very little of it, the fun just wasn't there anymore. This was high quality too, standardized in such a country. Most users unconciously believe have the fun is getting away with it.
If mushrooms were legalized I can see people who take them "to get fucked up" stop taking them, whereas people who take them for the spiritual learning experience would still find use for them.
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EquilibriuM
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Re: Mushroom Legalization [Re: grimR]
#5595973 - 05/05/06 10:02 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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grimR said: now why would they start legalizing things, they need funding for the drug war, legalizing drugs doesn't help this. It's all about money in the end.
Most people enjoy doing drugs because of the taboo behind them. I was reading on a topic on where a meth addict went to a country where it was legal. He ended up buying a lot and used very little of it, the fun just wasn't there anymore. This was high quality too, standardized in such a country. Most users unconciously believe have the fun is getting away with it.
If mushrooms were legalized I can see people who take them "to get fucked up" stop taking them, whereas people who take them for the spiritual learning experience would still find use for them.
Exactly why they should be legal. If those silly bastards could just pull their heads out of their asses, maybe they would see something other than their own shit.
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shneck
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Re: Mushroom Legalization [Re: EquilibriuM]
#5597034 - 05/06/06 06:26 AM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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"Just don't get caught." That's the results of brainwashing and conditioning I was talking about, mate. Our first response is to run and hide, instead of asking "WHY in the hell should I hide?"
Have you ever asked yourself a question why pot usage is a criminal offense?
- Is there any one person or animal on Earth who you harm with your toking? - Is it killing you or people around you? - Does it harm environment? - Does it harm economy? - Is it dangerous for human values?
Nope.
So why is it illegal and why they take you to prison?
If you dig into the history of of the prohibition and if you take a brief excourse into the history of the Western civilization and if you finally read "1984" you'll get all the answers.
Ganja is not bad. Ganja is framed by dirty power/money-greedy pigs with the silent consent of the majority of the people themselves. 
The reason is not that cannabis harms you or the society, quite opposite. The reason is that it harms a small number of people that get their profit out of the ban.
So, if you get arrested you have to know you're going inside because some bastards want to get richer and to get more power, not because you did something wrong. Also, you'll go inside because most of us think we just shouldn't be caught, instead of standing up to face the music and ask "Who the fuck are you maggots to catch me and why would you want to do it in the first place?"
That's how it is in a nutshell. Now I'm gonna post it, swith my PC off and go downtown like thousands of others will do all over the world today. It's 6th of May, the Global Marijuana March Day. I'll go there to do my humble contribution so that some day in future we wouldn't need to go out for such a March on the 6th of May anymore.
Peace and see you there. Of course, if you're not afraid to be caught.
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Lakefingers

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Quote:
peace_n_love said: For a while I was very pro-magic mushroom legalization. Now, however I'm slowly starting to retract my past views on the prohibition of this substance. Through past experiences I have found Magic Mushrooms to be the most sacred and spiritual thing I know. If it were to be legalized, don't you think a lot of stupid, ignorant assholes would just abuse mushrooms the same way people are abusing marijuana. I think through legalization it would take away a part of that mystique, and turn hallucinations into a common cliche. I personally would rather have it be prohibited as opposed to abused.
Peacefulness.
shneck said "If it is legal it should be legal for all. We can't judge who's an asshole and who's a cool dude." Judging who is evil and who is not -- it reminds me of a thread here back in the fall. It was called Who Really Makes Drugs Look Bad? This is a resentful and presumptuous/christian mentality to have. Most of us are looking to point the finger and thereby justify our actions. But everyone here at the Shroomery is helping making drugs look bad. Who's the dipshit asshole that would irresponsibly use shrooms if they were legal -- each of us!
In order to have an idea of "abuse" you need to believe in a norm. But God is dead, my friends.
There's also decriminalization. It could be legal for instance to carry 5g of mushrooms, 10g would give a fine, 20g would be considered intent to sell, etc. This would be a gesture to show that a certain part of the population is not criminalized, but that although their behaviour is not approved of by the government they are still respected as members of society.
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