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Thank you, George Bush
    #5590492 - 05/04/06 03:32 PM (18 years, 19 days ago)

His tax cuts helped me make a lot of money over the past five years with my investments. GDP increased and there are more jobs to go around. Add to that low inflation and you can see why the Republicans are the saviors of humanity. If it wasn't for the Republicans, the whole world would be in the dark ages under the control of the Soviet Union and Islamofascists.

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Re: Thank you, George Bush [Re: RedAlgae]
    #5590538 - 05/04/06 03:47 PM (18 years, 19 days ago)

You forgot to mention the debt that has been bought by China in the desperate hopes that it will keep the U.S. economy afloat for a little while longer.


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Re: Thank you, George Bush [Re: Rono]
    #5590654 - 05/04/06 04:34 PM (18 years, 19 days ago)

God Rono, your avatar just makes me wiggle in glee.


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Re: Thank you, George Bush [Re: Syle]
    #5590663 - 05/04/06 04:38 PM (18 years, 19 days ago)

Everyone's in debt. It creates wealth.

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Re: Thank you, George Bush [Re: Luddite]
    #5592078 - 05/04/06 10:48 PM (18 years, 18 days ago)

Tax Cuts  :thumbup:

People always say the tax cuts were only for the wealthy, but that is simply not true.  I earn below the poverty line, and I received a significant tax cut.

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Re: Thank you, George Bush [Re: RedAlgae]
    #5592174 - 05/04/06 11:16 PM (18 years, 18 days ago)

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RedAlgae said:
His tax cuts helped me make a lot of money over the past five years with my investments. GDP increased and there are more jobs to go around. Add to that low inflation and you can see why the Republicans are the saviors of humanity. If it wasn't for the Republicans, the whole world would be in the dark ages under the control of the Soviet Union and Islamofascists.




Jobs? What kinda jobs? All the scientists are gettin the fuck out of USA and the ones that aren't are working on making dog food taste better and make your dick harder. As for real research that helps human kind progress, well, that is outside of US.

If things don't turn around in this place, I'll finish college here and get out ASAP. Sad to a see a country going down the wrong path.

Oh yea, and the poverty rate is going up. So much for the tax cuts. We need a Clinton. A guy that gets head while getting shit done.


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Re: Thank you, George Bush [Re: RedAlgae]
    #5592243 - 05/04/06 11:34 PM (18 years, 18 days ago)

The Republicans party has gone downhill, I'm sick and tired of them. There was a time when they actualy stood for things, when they had some principle with backbone. But now I can't find any difference between the Republicans and the Democrats.

There is no difference between them and the Democrats except for the election year rhetoric. But in practice they have become on and the same.

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Re: Thank you, George Bush [Re: downforpot]
    #5592890 - 05/05/06 04:08 AM (18 years, 18 days ago)

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downforpot said:
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RedAlgae said:
His tax cuts helped me make a lot of money over the past five years with my investments.  GDP increased and there are more jobs to go around.  Add to that low inflation and you can see why the Republicans are the saviors of humanity.  If it wasn't for the Republicans, the whole world would be in the dark ages under the control of the Soviet Union and Islamofascists.




Jobs? What kinda jobs? All the scientists are gettin the fuck out of USA and the ones that aren't are working on making dog food taste better and make your dick harder. As for real research that helps human kind progress, well, that is outside of US.

If things don't turn around in this place, I'll finish college here and get out ASAP. Sad to a see a country going down the wrong path.

Oh yea, and the poverty rate is going up. So much for the tax cuts. We need a Clinton. A guy that gets head while getting shit done.




What he said. There a lot of SHIT jobs, but a lot less skilled labor in demand.

I dunno where you live, but there isn't shit around here. People with college degrees are flipping burgers. It was the total opposite when Clinton (who I don't even particularly care for) was in his last term.(Yeah the economy goes up and down naturally, but nowhere near how bad fuckface screwed it up.)

And like dude said, research scientists are leaving the country in droves to go to Europe and Asia. In fact my brother in law who is a computer science genius who is working on quantum computing is probably going to have to go to either India or Western Europe because he can't find anything here besides student teaching.

I dunno about inflation going down. Maybe in the last few years because Shrub fucked up the economy so bad about 4 years ago, but I don't see products getting any cheaper.

But as long as you made a little more expendable income so you can buy a new TV, I guess our country going to shit is totally worth it.

Yeah, I'm sure we'd be ruled by the Soviets and Islamists (two are kind of incomptible) if a more liberal government was in place. No exaggeration or hyperbole there at all. :thumbdown:

Don't you have some Ayn Rand you should be reading or something?

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Re: Thank you, George Bush [Re: monamine]
    #5593021 - 05/05/06 06:19 AM (18 years, 18 days ago)

Yep, I can't wait for my $100 gas check... Kind of funny that the government is wanting to give people back a bit of the tax money they took from the people so that the people can give that money to the oil industry that happens to be making record profits larger than any company in the history of the US. Go Bush! Vote for oil subsidies!

Did you want to debate something, or are you here simply to spout some political parties propaganda?

Edit: Misreply - supposed to go to the first post, not the last.

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Re: Thank you, George Bush [Re: Seuss]
    #5593823 - 05/05/06 12:02 PM (18 years, 18 days ago)

To say that job are on the rise and poverty is decreasing is bullshit. You know what is happening because of the tax cuts? The middle-class is getting pushed out. It is statisticaly proven right now. The rich are getting richer and the poor are getting poorer.


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Re: Thank you, George Bush [Re: David_vs_Goliath]
    #5593854 - 05/05/06 12:10 PM (18 years, 18 days ago)

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To say that job are on the rise and poverty is decreasing is bullshit.




No it isn't. It's factual. At least it's factual in the US. I won't speak for other countries.

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You know what is happening because of the tax cuts? The middle-class is getting pushed out.




They are getting pushed into higher earnings brackets. Why is this a problem?

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It is statisticaly proven right now.




Incorrect.

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The rich are getting richer and the poor are getting poorer.




Some rich are getting richer, yes. Some poor are getting poorer, yes. But in the US more poor are getting richer than are getting poorer.




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Re: Thank you, George Bush [Re: RedAlgae]
    #5594325 - 05/05/06 01:50 PM (18 years, 18 days ago)

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RedAlgae said:
His tax cuts helped me make a lot of money over the past five years with my investments.  GDP increased and there are more jobs to go around.  Add to that low inflation and you can see why the Republicans are the saviors of humanity.


Funny how you chose to state this, it's such a caricature (maybe intended, but still...).

So what humanity needs (in order to be "saved"), is wealthy Americans and low US inflation. This is so tell-tale of republican mentality... Politics is all about personal interest and wealth, which by extension also means "America" (meaning: the US) first in the world.

Hey, breaking news, part of humanity lives outside the US borders.  :nonono:

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Re: Thank you, George Bush [Re: Aldous]
    #5594454 - 05/05/06 02:23 PM (18 years, 18 days ago)

http://www.census.gov/prod/2005pubs/p60-229.pdf

"In 2004 37.0 million people were in poverty, up fro 1.1 million from 2003"

"Both the poverty rate and the number in poverty increased for people 18 to 64 years old. (11.3 percent and 20.4 million in 2004, up from 10.8 percent and 19.4 million in 2003).

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poverty_in_the_United_States

"The official poverty rate in the U.S. has increased for four consecutive years, from a 26-year low of 11.3% in 2000 to 12.7% in 2004. This means that 37.0 million people were below the official poverty thresholds in 2004. This is 5.4 million more than in 2000. The poverty rate for children under 18 years old increased from 16.2% to 17.8% over that period."



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Re: Thank you, George Bush [Re: downforpot]
    #5594706 - 05/05/06 03:39 PM (18 years, 18 days ago)

The "poverty" rate in america is BS.  Technically I make less than the poverty line, yet I can afford a car, afford electricity, afford to go out to eat once a month, I can afford a TV, internet, overpriced blackmarket drugs, an airconditioned apartment.  Basically I can afford way more than I deserve, yet I am still "impoverished" :lol: what a joke.  People around the world would give anything to live in "poverty" in america.

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Re: Thank you, George Bush [Re: DieCommie]
    #5594843 - 05/05/06 04:46 PM (18 years, 18 days ago)

I'd rather drive my infiniti q45 and live in the suburbs. Don't even try to compare US to others. When it comes to comparing incomes, compare them to other Americans.

People around the world would also give anything to earn 100k a year... That's what my plan is... Well, more than 100k :smile:

If you want to support a government that widens the gap between the poor and rich, go ahead.

I'd rather drive multiple cars in a short period of time, eat out more than once a month, go to a private college prep school (graduated), spoil myself with electronics, drugs, lots of vodka:) Oh yea, and go to a state university for free, paid by taxes, I think..


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Re: Thank you, George Bush [Re: RedAlgae]
    #5594901 - 05/05/06 05:03 PM (18 years, 18 days ago)

The low inflation is because of the actions of the Republican party?

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Re: Thank you, George Bush [Re: downforpot]
    #5594946 - 05/05/06 05:16 PM (18 years, 18 days ago)

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downforpot said:Don't even try to compare US to others. When it comes to comparing incomes, compare them to other Americans.


Why? By limiting the scope of comparison you can draw any conclusion you want. You could make a millionare seem poor by comparing him to a billionare. Like wise you could make a homeless person appear rich by comparing him to a homless person with less aluminium cans. The only valid scope to use is the largest one, that is all of humanity.

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Re: Thank you, George Bush [Re: RedAlgae]
    #5596515 - 05/06/06 12:09 AM (18 years, 17 days ago)

I must note the author has not returned.

That says all you need to know about this thread.


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Re: Thank you, George Bush [Re: zorbman]
    #5596660 - 05/06/06 01:03 AM (18 years, 17 days ago)

troll


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Re: Thank you, George Bush [Re: RedAlgae]
    #5596806 - 05/06/06 02:10 AM (18 years, 17 days ago)

Plenty of new jobs at Wal-Mart, McDonald's and Taco Bell. Meanwhile good paying industrial jobs get shipped to Mexico, China and India. Way to go George! :laugh:

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Re: Thank you, George Bush [Re: DieCommie]
    #5598391 - 05/06/06 05:55 PM (18 years, 17 days ago)

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DieCommie said:
Tax Cuts  :thumbup:

People always say the tax cuts were only for the wealthy, but that is simply not true.  I earn below the poverty line, and I received a significant tax cut.




Now how does that work?  If you earn below the poverty line you're not even paying income tax, are you?


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Re: Thank you, George Bush [Re: quillini]
    #5599019 - 05/06/06 09:24 PM (18 years, 16 days ago)

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quillini said:
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DieCommie said:
Tax Cuts  :thumbup:

People always say the tax cuts were only for the wealthy, but that is simply not true.  I earn below the poverty line, and I received a significant tax cut.




Now how does that work?  If you earn below the poverty line you're not even paying income tax, are you?




Just, you know, thinking out loud here.  How did you get a tax cut?


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Re: Thank you, George Bush [Re: quillini]
    #5602625 - 05/07/06 08:59 PM (18 years, 15 days ago)

yea....


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Re: Thank you, George Bush [Re: Le_Canard]
    #5603975 - 05/08/06 03:54 AM (18 years, 15 days ago)

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ToiletDuk said:
Plenty of new jobs at Wal-Mart, McDonald's and Taco Bell. Meanwhile good paying industrial jobs get shipped to Mexico, China and India. Way to go George! :laugh:




I blame that on NAFTA.

Way to go Bill.

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Re: Thank you, George Bush [Re: gregorio]
    #5608355 - 05/09/06 11:31 AM (18 years, 14 days ago)

So all the jobs are going to China and India because of NAFTA? I thought NAFTA was for North America?


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Re: Thank you, George Bush [Re: downforpot]
    #5608391 - 05/09/06 11:43 AM (18 years, 14 days ago)

NAFTA is just North America, but the fact is we are liberalising trade with all sorts of countries. gregorio has a point that economically, Bush and Clinton are virtually the same.

I think overall this will turn out positive, although we could do without the tax cuts for the rich, and we could use a higher minwage.

Better yet, how about tying minwage to the consumer price index, like congress did with their salaries? Then we wouldn't have to raise hell all the time to get better wages. If we indeed have a rising economy (which we do), then we should also have rising wages.

Or does that make too much sense?


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Re: Thank you, George Bush [Re: Phred]
    #5608784 - 05/09/06 01:26 PM (18 years, 14 days ago)

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Phred said:
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To say that job are on the rise and poverty is decreasing is bullshit.




No it isn't. It's factual. At least it's factual in the US. I won't speak for other countries.

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You know what is happening because of the tax cuts? The middle-class is getting pushed out.




They are getting pushed into higher earnings brackets. Why is this a problem?

Quote:

It is statisticaly proven right now.




Incorrect.

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The rich are getting richer and the poor are getting poorer.




Some rich are getting richer, yes. Some poor are getting poorer, yes. But in the US more poor are getting richer than are getting poorer.





Can you prove all this? I'm not saying that in a smarmy way, I'm just honestly flummoxed  :confused: I thought it was pretty much agreed on by everyone that poverty and joblessness have been increasing since 9/11


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Re: Thank you, George Bush [Re: gluke bastid]
    #5608853 - 05/09/06 01:47 PM (18 years, 14 days ago)

Forgive me if I'm speaking in ignorance, which is possible, but doesn't "earning bracket" really mean "tax bracket"? So to be pushed into a higher earning bracket has nothing to do with making more money, but really means you're paying a higher percentage in taxes, right? That would be a "bad thing".

Again, maybe I have it all wrong, but while poverty has gone up, it's not necessarily true that joblessness has gone up. It seems as though the trend is not so much unemployment as it is underemployment. In other words, jobs have been created, a significant number of them actually, but these are shitty unstable part-time jobs with no benefits and no future. Like Walmart, for example. I only say Walmart because I used to work there, and let me tell you, it's like a human wasteland. Lots of Walmart employees are on gov't assistance. In fact, Walmart even offers services to its employees to help them get on gov't assistance.

There's a whole class of people in this country who are forced to live like animals and would probably be better off on welfare, were it not for their pride. They work their asses off instead, and for what? You can't afford your own apartment on Walmart wages.

Where's the goddamn tax break for these people?


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Re: Thank you, George Bush [Re: quillini]
    #5608873 - 05/09/06 01:52 PM (18 years, 14 days ago)

Yea, the wages need to be raised. I will not work for fucking 6 dollars an hour. 10 dollars an hour, AT LEAST.


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Re: Thank you, George Bush [Re: downforpot]
    #5608913 - 05/09/06 02:05 PM (18 years, 14 days ago)

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downforpot said:
Yea, the wages need to be raised. I will not work for fucking 6 dollars an hour. 10 dollars an hour, AT LEAST.




Come to me. I will pay you $10 an hour, as long as you have no physical infirmities. You will leave me with a skill too, lessons for which I won't charge you.


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Re: Thank you, George Bush [Re: gluke bastid]
    #5608926 - 05/09/06 02:11 PM (18 years, 14 days ago)

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I thought it was pretty much agreed on by everyone that poverty and joblessness have been increasing since 9/11




Let me guess. Pretty much everyone you have spoken to who agrees is liberal. As Reagan once said, “It’s not that liberals don’t know anything; it’s just that they know so many things that aren’t so.”

You say pretty much everyone agrees on this? Everyone who never bothers to read the economic news, maybe. But the US economy has being going like gangbusters for at least three years now. That's not difficult to confirm, though the MSM has certainly not played it up. (Gee, I wonder why THAT might be? -- ed.)

Unemployment -- 4.7% That's as close to what economists consider full employment as you can get, really, and better than it was through almost all of Clinton's eight years.

Net wealth -- the average net wealth of Americans is at an all time high, as is the median net wealth of American families. That's in terms of both absolute dollars and inflation adjusted dollars.

Rate of growth -- The preliminary figure for growth in the last quarter was an annualized rate of 4/8%. That will almost certainly be adjusted upwards, since the preliminary numbers are ALWAYS on the low side. Growth rate has been just under 4% OR EVEN HIGHER for something like fourteen quarters in a row now.

Stock market -- The Dow is within a hundred points or so of its all time high. Admittedly, when adjusted for inflation it falls short of the absolute peak of the dotcom stock bubble in 2000, but remember that was an irrational frenzied speculative bubble with no solid base to it. This is REAL valuation.

Housing -- more Americans own their own houses than ever before

Tax receipts -- due to Bush's tax cuts, government tax receipts from both corporations and individuals are at an all time high as well.

Consumer confidence figures higher than at any time in the last ten years. Durable goods, productivity numbers, housing starts -- all at or near all time highs.

It is true that the government system of classification ludicrously continues to define as "poor" that group of people who own their own houses, multiple cars, air conditioning, multiple TVs, etc. But that doesn't mean there really are 37 million poor people living in the US, nor does it mean the "poor" are getting "poorer".

I (and others) have contributed numerous posts on this subject in the past. I don't have the time to dig them all up today, but then again it's not up to me to do so. It's up to DavidandGoliath to prove his assertion that in the US the middle class is getting "pushed out" and that "the poor are getting poorer". He claims it is statistically proven. Let's see the statistics.




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Re: Thank you, George Bush [Re: Phred]
    #5609138 - 05/09/06 03:02 PM (18 years, 14 days ago)

Jesus man, I was just asking you to elaborate, I wasn't attacking you, and then you come back at me and bash me (yet again) for being a liberal. You might make more converts if you took it easy once in awhile.  :smirk:

But anyway thanks for the information.    :heart:


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Re: Thank you, George Bush [Re: gluke bastid]
    #5609177 - 05/09/06 03:12 PM (18 years, 14 days ago)

Did I say you were a liberal? No, I did not. I speculated that the people you had been speaking to about the subject were liberals, because that would explain the near-unanimity of the false beliefs you have heard about the US economy.

As for me making "converts", I couldn't care less about making converts. From long experience I know the information I provided above will be ignored by pretty much every Leftie who reads it. The odds of converting a Leftie with facts is essentially zero: if Lefties cared about facts they wouldn't be Lefties in the first place.

The reason I point out inaccuracies is not to convert Lefties (or even Libbies), but to prevent the undecided from joining the Leftie herd because they buy arguments based on spurious "facts". Think of it more as a holding action than an advance.



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Re: Thank you, George Bush [Re: Phred]
    #5609211 - 05/09/06 03:26 PM (18 years, 14 days ago)

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The odds of converting a Leftie with facts is essentially zero: if Lefties cared about facts they wouldn't be Lefties in the first place.




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Re: Thank you, George Bush [Re: Phred]
    #5609585 - 05/09/06 05:23 PM (18 years, 14 days ago)

OK Phred, this is all good, but...

Please explain this to me like I'm in 3rd grade, because my dumb leftie ass is a little slow on the uptake:

How are the Bush tax cuts responsible for any of this? I'm not saying they're not, but when you don't earn enough to pay taxes, a tax cut doesn't do you a lot of good, does it? And has this supply-side strategy resulted in any good jobs (high wage, benefits, retirement, a future), or just service-sector bullshit?

And how do tax cuts make sense when you're fighting a war?

I'm being genuine here; I want something to say next time someone says "Bush and his tax cuts can suck it". Give me links. Give me numbers.


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Re: Thank you, George Bush [Re: downforpot]
    #5618263 - 05/11/06 05:42 PM (18 years, 12 days ago)

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His tax cuts helped me make a lot of money over the past five years with my investments. GDP increased and there are more jobs to go around. Add to that low inflation and you can see why the Republicans are the saviors of humanity. If it wasn't for the Republicans, the whole world would be in the dark ages under the control of the Soviet Union and Islamofascists.




Jobs? What kinda jobs? All the scientists are gettin the fuck out of USA and the ones that aren't are working on making dog food taste better and make your dick harder. As for real research that helps human kind progress, well, that is outside of US.

If things don't turn around in this place, I'll finish college here and get out ASAP. Sad to a see a country going down the wrong path.

Oh yea, and the poverty rate is going up. So much for the tax cuts. We need a Clinton. A guy that gets head while getting shit done.



I'm a scientist, and I know about 50 other scientists. Not one of them, nor anyone they know is leaving the US. Where is your source for this/


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Re: Thank you, George Bush [Re: blacksabbathrulz]
    #5618312 - 05/11/06 05:59 PM (18 years, 12 days ago)

The truth shines through and the liars are shamed once again!


http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/5392635#Post5392635

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Re: Thank you, George Bush [Re: blacksabbathrulz]
    #5618398 - 05/11/06 06:17 PM (18 years, 11 days ago)

http://www.time.com/time/archive/preview/0,10987,1156575,00.html


http://www.conference-board.org/articles/atb_article.cfm?id=269&pg=2

http://www.mathmovesu.com/pdf/crisis.pdf

http://oemagazine.com/newscast/2005/051205_newscast01.html

Not only are scientists leaving, undergaduates are switching to business majors, less foreign students are attending our universities, less government funding for research. Elementary and high school students are also less interested in science.

However, teaching science is still profitable but when it comes to pouring billions into research in order to compete with the rest of the world, we are falling behind and the rest of the world is catching up.


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Re: Thank you, George Bush [Re: downforpot]
    #5618703 - 05/11/06 07:36 PM (18 years, 11 days ago)

I hate how everybody talks about people like they are either conservative or liberal... Like there isn't a whole fucking spectrum of possibilities. One or the other  :whatever:


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Re: Thank you, George Bush [Re: EquilibriuM]
    #5619443 - 05/11/06 11:08 PM (18 years, 11 days ago)

You're right, the McDonalds and Wendy's up the srteet ARE hiring, damn...the job market is booming!!! If the economy is so damn great than why has the poverty rate in this country increased by 12% each of the last 4 years? Why is it that in 1960 CEOs made 40% more than their employess and now they make 600% more? Why has the % of uninsured kept rising? Why has the cost of living gone up, but real wages gone down? Seems fishy... As Neil Young says "Good times are comin'...but they sure are comin' slow..."

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Re: Thank you, George Bush [Re: ArcofaJourney]
    #5619602 - 05/11/06 11:37 PM (18 years, 11 days ago)

Juest because CEO's are making more doesn't mean that workers are making less.

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Re: Thank you, George Bush [Re: Redstorm]
    #5619701 - 05/12/06 12:00 AM (18 years, 11 days ago)

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Juest because CEO's are making more doesn't mean that workers are making less.




yeah no shit, not everyone you talk to on the internet is a complete moron, but actually today people are on average making less than a generation ago...or even a few years ago.

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Re: Thank you, George Bush [Re: Redstorm]
    #5620037 - 05/12/06 03:00 AM (18 years, 11 days ago)

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Juest because CEO's are making more doesn't mean that workers are making less.




Ummm, the reason people are talking about is hecause the people ARE making less. Oh and the gap between rich and poor is widening but DieCommie says he lives like a king, in this world. Well, I wanna live like a God or at least have an OPPORTUNITY to do so and not be stuck in the same class forever.


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Re: Thank you, George Bush [Re: ArcofaJourney]
    #5620698 - 05/12/06 10:39 AM (18 years, 11 days ago)

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Juest because CEO's are making more doesn't mean that workers are making less.



actually today people are on average making less than a generation ago...or even a few years ago.




Have any stats to back that up?

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Re: Thank you, George Bush [Re: Redstorm]
    #5621713 - 05/12/06 03:57 PM (18 years, 11 days ago)

Red, it's pretty much common sense that incomes are falling. Not by a lot but a few percentage points.

http://www.usatoday.com/money/economy/income/2006-02-23-fed-incomes_x.htm

"The household balance sheet is in good shape, better shape today ... but it's not improved for everybody. It's improved for the people in the top distribution of income and wealth,"

From 2001 to 2004, average family income fell 2.3%, to an inflation-adjusted $70,700 from $72,400 in the 1998-2001 period. By contrast, from 1998 to 2001, average income jumped 17.3%. Median income — the midpoint of the income range — rose 1.6% to $43,200.


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Re: Thank you, George Bush [Re: Redstorm]
    #5621756 - 05/12/06 04:09 PM (18 years, 11 days ago)

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Redstorm said:
Juest because CEO's are making more doesn't mean that workers are making less.



actually today people are on average making less than a generation ago...or even a few years ago.




Have any stats to back that up?



Actually, I don't really need any stats to notice it. In my parents' generation, single-income households were the norm, and people were able to raise their children just fine in relative prosperity. Now, it seems like both parents usually have to work in order for the child to stand any decent chance.


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Re: Thank you, George Bush [Re: Silversoul]
    #5621867 - 05/12/06 04:52 PM (18 years, 11 days ago)

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Actually, I don't really need any stats to notice it. In my parents' generation, single-income households were the norm, and people were able to raise their children just fine in relative prosperity. Now, it seems like both parents usually have to work in order for the child to stand any decent chance.




It should be noted that the size of the average house in America has practically doubled. Also, people nowadays have copious amounts of consumer electronics and often a vehicle for everybody in the house. If we were to live a material lifestyle similar to a 1950's family then most of us could get away with having only one bread-winner in the family.

But, we are more gluttonous nowadays. And because of that moms and dads have to work themselves to death.

Edited by RandalFlagg (05/12/06 04:54 PM)

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Re: Thank you, George Bush [Re: RandalFlagg]
    #5623045 - 05/12/06 09:53 PM (18 years, 10 days ago)

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Actually, I don't really need any stats to notice it. In my parents' generation, single-income households were the norm, and people were able to raise their children just fine in relative prosperity. Now, it seems like both parents usually have to work in order for the child to stand any decent chance.




It should be noted that the size of the average house in America has practically doubled. Also, people nowadays have copious amounts of consumer electronics and often a vehicle for everybody in the house. If we were to live a material lifestyle similar to a 1950's family then most of us could get away with having only one bread-winner in the family.

But, we are more gluttonous nowadays. And because of that moms and dads have to work themselves to death.




That i completely agree with, consumerism has been a reason why we work so long for what seems like less money, but actually there are plenty of resources out there to find solid evidence that the average family makes less income now than before. Most of them are in books, i read a bunch when i did an independent study on the subject in college, but for our purposes, i'll point you in this direction:

http://www.epi.org/content.cfm/webfeatures_econindicators_income20050831

"it appears that the changes in the economy—globalization, fewer unions, lower minimum wages, shifting norms in taxation and regulation favoring investors over wage-earners, and recoveries without adequate job growth—have significantly increased the time it takes for working families to reap the benefits of growth."


My opinion is that yes, the economy appears to be booming, lots people are making lots of money, the rich are getting richer, but the average working family has not seen much of the benefits to this point. The top 5% are very reluctant to ummm..trickle it down as they say...

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Re: Thank you, George Bush [Re: zappaisgod]
    #5623804 - 05/13/06 03:58 AM (18 years, 10 days ago)

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Come to me.  I will pay you $10 an hour, as long as you have no physical infirmities.  You will leave me with a skill too, lessons for which I won't charge you.




May I be one of your employees???







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Re: Thank you, George Bush [Re: Silversoul]
    #5624297 - 05/13/06 11:34 AM (18 years, 10 days ago)

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Juest because CEO's are making more doesn't mean that workers are making less.



actually today people are on average making less than a generation ago...or even a few years ago.




Have any stats to back that up?



Actually, I don't really need any stats to notice it. In my parents' generation, single-income households were the norm, and people were able to raise their children just fine in relative prosperity. Now, it seems like both parents usually have to work in order for the child to stand any decent chance.




I'm not disagreeing; I just wanted to see some stats.

There are many more reasons why both parents are working, though, other than decreasing wages. Rising energy costs, health care costs, increased demand for luxury items, and increased college tuition fees are also contributing.

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Re: Thank you, George Bush [Re: Redstorm]
    #5624588 - 05/13/06 01:08 PM (18 years, 10 days ago)

The UK went through even harsher free market bullshit in the 8-'s and it's resulted in a similar situation. Unions destroyed, working rights decimated, decreasing wages. Blairs dream is to provide an "attractive investment area" for buisness which means you can pay poor money, hire and fire at the drop of a hat and never have any union problems. Great for CEO's, catastrophic for everyone else.

As a result women are also having to work even when they have young kids at home. I guess we need a Chavez or Morales as much as South America does  :rockon:

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    #5624615 - 05/13/06 01:14 PM (18 years, 10 days ago)

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Come to me.  I will pay you $10 an hour, as long as you have no physical infirmities.  You will leave me with a skill too, lessons for which I won't charge you.




May I be one of your employees???




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Padawan? I don't know.  A carpenter you will become though.  Even if I have to beat it into you.  Every day.  Or as needed.  Whichever comes first.






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    #5634243 - 05/15/06 06:48 PM (18 years, 7 days ago)

After digging to a depth of 1,000 meters, French scientists found copper wiring dating back 1,000 years and came to the conclusion that their ancestors had a telephone system all those centuries ago. Not to be outdone, the British dug to a depth of 2,000 meters and found fiber optic cable. They concluded their ancestors had an advanced, high tech, digital communications network a thousand years before the French. One week later, an Israeli newspaper reported the following: "After digging as deep as 5,000 meters in a Jerusalem marketplace, scientist found absolutely nothing. They therefore concluded that, 5,000 years ago, Jews were already using wireless technology."

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Re: Thank you, George Bush [Re: Luddite]
    #5636595 - 05/16/06 07:47 AM (18 years, 7 days ago)

"Before we begin this interview, I want to thank God for bringing us to this land of dreams. We sincerely thank President George Bush and the American government for letting us enter as refugees."

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Re: Thank you, George Bush [Re: Phred]
    #5673137 - 05/25/06 01:47 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

I had written on May 9:

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Rate of growth -- The preliminary figure for growth in the last quarter was an annualized rate of 4.8%. That will almost certainly be adjusted upwards, since the preliminary numbers are ALWAYS on the low side.




So what was the final figure? 5.3%, slightly below the whitehot 5.7 predicted by some economists, so obviously we're in a depression:

"U.S. economy shot forward at an upwardly revised 5.3 percent annual rate in the first quarter, the fastest growth in 2-1/2 years, as companies built up inventories and exports strengthened, a Commerce Department report on Thursday showed.

"First-quarter growth in gross domestic product was more than triple the 1.7 percent annual rate recorded in last year's fourth quarter, though still slightly below Wall Street economists' forecasts for a 5.7 percent pace.

"Prices remained in check, with the core personal consumption expenditures price index that the Federal Reserve favors rising at a 2 percent rate compared with 2.4 percent in the fourth quarter.

...

"In addition, exports were stronger than originally reported, rising at a 14.7 percent annual rate rather than 12.1 percent."


http://today.reuters.com/news/newsarticl...&src=rss&rpc=23




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Re: Thank you, George Bush [Re: Phred]
    #5804040 - 06/29/06 05:12 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

And -- as is almost always the case, it turns out the initial and even the REVISED reports were still on the low side. Final figure for first quarter (Jan 1 to March 31 of 2006) was 5.6%

Source: http://biz.yahoo.com/ap/060629/economy.html?.v=17



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    #5804071 - 06/29/06 05:24 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

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Re: Thank you, George Bush [Re: Gijith]
    #5807959 - 06/30/06 10:50 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

I detect unquestioning faith in government figures manipulated for public consumption. Was this faith present during the Clinton administration when the economy was supposed to be "the best in twenty years," our deficits were disappearing, the savings rates were higher, indebtedness was lower and fuel, food and housing were less?


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    #5808018 - 06/30/06 11:07 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

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The UK went through even harsher free market bullshit in the 8-'s



The U.S. is not going towards a free market. Warfare/welfare state socialism is the order of the day. We are in the midst of perhaps the largest expansion of government in our history with heavy doses of crony capitalism, and the luring of the public to debt slavery to the banking cartel headed by the federal reserve. Corporatism is not the same as a free market. In a free market, there would be no corporate welfare, sweetheart deals for merchants of death, or a government enforced banking cartel with the right to print the nations only legal tender.


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Re: Thank you, George Bush [Re: Trepiodos]
    #5808776 - 07/01/06 02:20 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

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I detect unquestioning faith in government figures manipulated for public consumption. Was this faith present during the Clinton administration when the economy was supposed to be "the best in twenty years," our deficits were disappearing, the savings rates were higher, indebtedness was lower and fuel, food and housing were less?




Ever heard something called the .com bubble? Most of Clinton's good numbers were a direct result of the sudden boom.

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Re: Thank you, George Bush [Re: hamarrboo]
    #5808791 - 07/01/06 02:24 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

His earlier numbers weren't a result of his actions either...

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