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Offlinejertik
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alcohol and cigarettes
    #5589233 - 05/04/06 07:50 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Isn't it strange that those drugs made by man can hurt you so much ie. alcohol and cigarettes and those made by God, mushrooms and cannibis give you such a good feeling. When I was drinking I ended up in jail when I used Gods medication I ended up a millionaire in 5 years.


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Re: alcohol and cigarettes [Re: jertik]
    #5589239 - 05/04/06 07:53 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

true that, cept i like squares, dont care if they kill me


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Re: alcohol and cigarettes [Re: jertik]
    #5589296 - 05/04/06 08:31 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

I know plenty of folk who have trashed their lives with plants, like opium. And since when is tobacco not one of "Gods plants"? Or alcohol for that matter. It occurs naturally and even other animals get drunk and it doesn't destroy their lives. Time to do some more thinking.


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Re: alcohol and cigarettes [Re: Icelander]
    #5589391 - 05/04/06 09:26 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

the problem isn't tobacco it's cigarettes, .... wonder if they are a curse from the native Americans?

they would grow their own, and supposedly it was hallucinogenic and extremely potent. so they used it ceremonially, they didn't and COULDN'T smoke daily and especially not 10 times a day.

the drug problems we have are the flaw of living in a materialistic society.... people crave escape like there is no tomorrow but are conditioned to never truely escape, to just rather cloud over their bad feelings for a while...... when what they really need is a spiritual vacation and IF they were to use a substance mushrooms or peyote would be a better choice.

or cannabis.

because we are materialistis its just about getting messed up to have fun, and getting messed up to have fun, and getting messed up to have fun.


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Re: alcohol and cigarettes [Re: leery11]
    #5589417 - 05/04/06 09:49 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Yup. And as you pointed out the problem isn't cigarettes, it's people.


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Re: alcohol and cigarettes [Re: Icelander]
    #5589525 - 05/04/06 10:30 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

no it is cigarettes because they are designed in a way blasphemous to the sacred and normal use of tobacco.

it's like.... it might be alright to go cook yourself a hamburger with quality meat.... but DON'T EAT AT MCDONALDS!

at the heart of the matter yes it is people.... but the tobacco companies are to blame.... if you had to go get your own high quality organic tobacco, roll your own cigs or smoke it out of a pipe, you wouldn't smoke nearly as much as if you could just go buy your lazy self a pack and toke them all down...... its a QUICK and EASY way to kill yourself.

plus there are tons of additives that shouldn't be there.


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Edited by leery11 (05/04/06 10:31 AM)


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Re: alcohol and cigarettes [Re: jertik]
    #5589551 - 05/04/06 10:38 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Alcohol is made naturally, man just mass produced it......


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Re: alcohol and cigarettes [Re: leery11]
    #5589563 - 05/04/06 10:43 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

no it is cigarettes because they are designed in a way blasphemous to the sacred and normal use of tobacco.

No, it's people. No one is forcing anyone to smoke them. By the way, I don't think they are anything but neutral. Blasphemous is funny. Again it's people.


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Re: alcohol and cigarettes [Re: jertik]
    #5589693 - 05/04/06 11:30 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

tobbacco was created by god for mankind's enjoyment

though it kills bodys

it relaxes minds

and soothes souls

and this is more important than bodies

though bodies die

souls perish not

death makes room for new life

and this is true nobility


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Re: alcohol and cigarettes [Re: Icelander]
    #5589707 - 05/04/06 11:35 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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Icelander said:
Yup. And as you pointed out the problem isn't cigarettes, it's people.




Soylent Green it's... IT'S PEOPLE! *cue dramatic music*


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Re: alcohol and cigarettes [Re: Sporetacus]
    #5589907 - 05/04/06 12:36 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Hey everyone! It's the lovely Sporetacus. How you doin today?


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Re: alcohol and cigarettes [Re: DoctorJ]
    #5589949 - 05/04/06 12:52 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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Icelander said:
no it is cigarettes because they are designed in a way blasphemous to the sacred and normal use of tobacco.

No, it's people. No one is forcing anyone to smoke them. By the way, I don't think they are anything but neutral. Blasphemous is funny. Again it's people.



well i don't think there's disagreement here i don't know how you separate people from drugs..... people are the ones who use them and people are the ones who market them for greed rather than for spiritual
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DoctorJ said:
tobbacco was created by god for mankind's enjoyment

though it kills bodys

it relaxes minds

and soothes souls

and this is more important than bodies

though bodies die

souls perish not

death makes room for new life

and this is true nobility



I don't think is is true at all man... what spiritual or mental calm has ever befallen a nicotine addict? You cannot neglect the body.... without it the mind loses its keen faculties, precious years for spiritual cultivation are cut short.... and for what? Relaxment? You know tobacco isn't relaxing, it's a stimulant, right?

It's only relaxing and soothing because you are going through WITHDRAWAL ..... so the nice relaxing smoke you get, it's because you've used tobacco enough that it's no longer a stimulant for you, and your body screams at you to feed it.

There is nothing spiritual or noble about a nicotine depdency....... tobacco as a sacred plant is one thing, and tobacco as a sacred plant is not going to harm the body too much because you are using it sacredly.

If you are advocating a lifetime of habitual smoking it's like saying you should sit on the cough watching TV at least 4 hours a day because it's soothing and relaxing for the mind and body to unwind.

There are better ways!

Tobacco as an entheogen = fine.
Tobacco as habitual suicide = not wise.


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....I embrace my desire to feel the rhythm, to feel connected enough to step aside and weep like a widow, to feel inspired, to fathom the power, to witness the beauty, to bathe in the fountain, to swing on the spiral of our divinity and still be a human......
Om Namah Shivaya, I tell you What!


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Re: alcohol and cigarettes [Re: Icelander]
    #5589959 - 05/04/06 12:56 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

like icelander said, opium is perfectly natural and yet it has just as much ability to destroy lives as the so called man made drugs. furthermore, there are many people who feel they have been damaged by psychedelics.


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Re: alcohol and cigarettes [Re: leery11]
    #5589998 - 05/04/06 01:07 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

you all do know that some indians were reported to have traded theyre families for tobacco? back in the earlier days, tobacco was 10X more potent and addictive. so don't even talk about tobacco being used sacredly, it probably was by some - but it was mostly an addictive drug. if evolution is correct (which i think everyone would agree evolution is real), plants like tobacco and cannabis probably evolved to b ecome pyschoactive as a defense mechanism to ward off unassuming herbivores. but god wouldnt give us drugs to feel good after a long day or some shit like that. the monotheistic religions all promote to remain hardy even after the long days work.


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Re: alcohol and cigarettes [Re: leery11]
    #5590078 - 05/04/06 01:22 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

well i don't think there's disagreement here i don't know how you separate people from drugs..... people are the ones who use them and people are the ones who market them for greed rather than for spiritual

Almost everything that's for sale is marketed for greed rather than for spiritual. I work in a health food market and sell and buy nutritional supplements. No matter what the ad says. They aren't concerned with the spiritual more than the $$$$$.

Anything used to addiction is a negative IMO. I have been in the back country and really enjoyed a smoke and it has often stimulated conversation. Then I may not smoke again for a month or two years.

People like cigs because of their oral need to suck on a tit; the Oral Bio-Survival Circuit.(Read Prometheus Rising by Robert Anton Wilson) It's basic animal and hardwired and unless you reprogram your bio-computer you will continue to look for it compulsively, (chew gum, gnaw pencil erasers, eat more than you need (potato chips anyone) etc.
We all want to get back to the womb where all of our needs are met without any effort on our part. Freudians suggest that opiate addiction is an attempt to return to the womb, a return to the "safe space" on the bio-survival circuit; as opiates may trigger neuro-transmitters characteristic of breast-feeding. :grin:


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Re: alcohol and cigarettes [Re: Icelander]
    #5590109 - 05/04/06 01:28 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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well i don't think there's disagreement here i don't know how you separate people from drugs..... people are the ones who use them and people are the ones who market them for greed rather than for spiritual

Almost everything that's for sale is marketed for greed rather than for spiritual. I work in a health food market and sell and buy nutritional supplements. No matter what the ad says. They aren't concerned with the spiritual more than the $$$$$.

Anything used to addiction is a negative IMO. I have been in the back country and really enjoyed a smoke and it has often stimulated conversation. Then I may not smoke again for a month or two years.

People like cigs because of their oral need to suck on a tit; the Oral Bio-Survival Circuit.(Read Prometheus Rising by Robert Anton Wilson) It's basic animal and hardwired and unless you reprogram your bio-computer you will continue to look for it compulsively, (chew gum, gnaw pencil erasers, eat more than you need (potato chips anyone) etc.
We all want to get back to the womb where all of our needs are met without any effort on our part. Freudians suggest that opiate addiction is an attempt to return to the womb, a return to the "safe space" on the bio-survival circuit; as opiates may trigger neuro-transmitters characteristic of breast-feeding. :grin:




wasn't it timothy leary who said that? or at least he incorporated it into his 8 circuit model of consciousness.


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Re: alcohol and cigarettes [Re: leery11]
    #5590139 - 05/04/06 01:34 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

I see much bigotry in your comments

what's wrong with withdrawl?

one can learn much from depriving oneself

self-instilled wants and needs make the world go round

the selfish die young, but this in itself is selfless

I can forsee a day when I will quit smoking.

Probably the same day I retire

But right now, there is work to be done, and if tobbacco helps the work, then it is good!

I will quit smoking when I quit enjoying it

I will quit living when I cease to die


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Re: alcohol and cigarettes [Re: Deviate]
    #5590140 - 05/04/06 01:35 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)



:gethigh:


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Re: alcohol and cigarettes [Re: DoctorJ]
    #5590178 - 05/04/06 01:45 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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DoctorJ said:
I see much bigotry in your comments

what's wrong with withdrawl?

one can learn much from depriving oneself

self-instilled wants and needs make the world go round

the selfish die young, but this in itself is selfless

I can forsee a day when I will quit smoking.

Probably the same day I retire

But right now, there is work to be done, and if tobbacco helps the work, then it is good!

I will quit smoking when I quit enjoying it

I will quit living when I cease to die




hes right man, there's a difference between being a drug addict and claiming youre learning from it and learning to obtain happinesss in non destructive , sustainable ways.


Edited by Deviate (05/04/06 01:46 PM)


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Re: alcohol and cigarettes [Re: jertik]
    #5590182 - 05/04/06 01:47 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Alcohol and tobacco are as 'natural' or 'made by god' as mushrooms and cannabis.


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Re: alcohol and cigarettes [Re: leery11]
    #5590204 - 05/04/06 01:53 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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no it is cigarettes because they are designed in a way blasphemous to the sacred and normal use of tobacco.





What is unnatural?

Is milk unnatural? Is honey unnatural? Are beaver dams unnatural?

Just because something is a product of a living organism does not make it unnatural. Indeed, quite the contrary!

I submit to you that anything which exists in the natural universe is natural

LSD, MDMA, these are products of the human organism, and therefore they are natural

Anything that is truly unnatural goes against the Tao

And whatever goes against the Tao shall soon cease to be!


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Re: alcohol and cigarettes [Re: Deviate]
    #5590298 - 05/04/06 02:14 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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Deviate said:
Quote:

Icelander said:
well i don't think there's disagreement here i don't know how you separate people from drugs..... people are the ones who use them and people are the ones who market them for greed rather than for spiritual

Almost everything that's for sale is marketed for greed rather than for spiritual. I work in a health food market and sell and buy nutritional supplements. No matter what the ad says. They aren't concerned with the spiritual more than the $$$$$.

Anything used to addiction is a negative IMO. I have been in the back country and really enjoyed a smoke and it has often stimulated conversation. Then I may not smoke again for a month or two years.

People like cigs because of their oral need to suck on a tit; the Oral Bio-Survival Circuit.(Read Prometheus Rising by Robert Anton Wilson) It's basic animal and hardwired and unless you reprogram your bio-computer you will continue to look for it compulsively, (chew gum, gnaw pencil erasers, eat more than you need (potato chips anyone) etc.
We all want to get back to the womb where all of our needs are met without any effort on our part. Freudians suggest that opiate addiction is an attempt to return to the womb, a return to the "safe space" on the bio-survival circuit; as opiates may trigger neuro-transmitters characteristic of breast-feeding. :grin:




wasn't it timothy leary who said that? or at least he incorporated it into his 8 circuit model of consciousness.




Yes. R.A.W. put leary's theorys (rhyme :grin:) to the test in his book.


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Re: alcohol and cigarettes [Re: Icelander]
    #5590514 - 05/04/06 03:38 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

oh man soylent green thats funny...yeah i like smokes and i like booze and i like being happy and peaceful and am happy and peaceful with or without either of those...lets just enjoy ourselves...total ha ha...yeah thou...on a side note read up there somewhere someone said that other animals drink and smoke as well...out of curiosity which ones?not saying there isn't just wondering


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Re: alcohol and cigarettes [Re: StuckOnStars]
    #5590765 - 05/04/06 05:11 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

People are animals. :grin: And of course the primate family. They smoke and drink because humans are a bad influence. :grin:


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