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I still think it's all bullshit...
#5589050 - 05/04/06 04:06 AM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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I was an alterboy when I was a kid in the Catholic Church. I just don't see it. God and Jesus and all that stuff was in my childhood. I just don't think the historical or magical parts about the bible are right and it blows my mind that other people do.
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Re: I still think it's all bullshit... [Re: theuser]
#5589123 - 05/04/06 05:41 AM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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well no kidding lol the thing is, you almost sound like you expect people to tell you your mad! im thinking you have just got to be an american, becaues if you lived any where else in the world bar the vatican city, you would realise that most of the world allready thinks this way, in fact your in the majority!!!!! and the opinions of the rest of those idiots who actually believe in it are laffable in our eyes.
Especially catholocism, lets stick dinosaurs in the bible lollerskates, the one man who is saved from soddom and gomorrah pimps his children to roman soldiers to save his own life a few chapters earlier, the whole idea is just beyond contempt.
Nietzsche rules, u should check him out buddy, people have been feeling this way for a long time.
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Re: I still think it's all bullshit... [Re: Atemi]
#5589744 - 05/04/06 11:44 AM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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To base your opinions of Jesus and God on the misteachings of the Catholic Church would be a horrible mistake.
THey do no own God, or the bible. THeir interpretations are not Gods. You shouldnt buy into their bullshit. Find God for yourself. "I AM WHAT I AM" can be alot of things. Peace
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Re: I still think it's all bullshit... [Re: theuser]
#5589760 - 05/04/06 11:48 AM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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True believing, has too come from inside ones self.
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Re: I still think it's all bullshit... [Re: rod]
#5589819 - 05/04/06 12:04 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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There is no teachings of another that will ever lead you to God. THat path is different for everyone, and Rod is right, it is an internal path, not an external acheivement, as church makes it.
I tell you again the bible condemns all churches.
Jesus "worship in your closet." Then after teh resurrection jesus shows himself to the apostles and they fall down to worship him, and he says "Nay, rise worship God even as I do." Jesus condemned the worship of himself. THere should be no Christian church at all.
When one must go to church to affirm their Faith, then they only prove how little they believe. When you go to church you are saying to the Father, that he is not enough to keep your faith.
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Re: I still think it's all bullshit... [Re: Atemi]
#5590287 - 05/04/06 02:12 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Atemi said: well no kidding lol the thing is, you almost sound like you expect people to tell you your mad! im thinking you have just got to be an american, becaues if you lived any where else in the world bar the vatican city, you would realise that most of the world allready thinks this way, in fact your in the majority!!!!! and the opinions of the rest of those idiots who actually believe in it are laffable in our eyes.
Especially catholocism, lets stick dinosaurs in the bible lollerskates, the one man who is saved from soddom and gomorrah pimps his children to roman soldiers to save his own life a few chapters earlier, the whole idea is just beyond contempt.
Nietzsche rules, u should check him out buddy, people have been feeling this way for a long time.
You are right, I did grow up in a very religious setting and I am American. So I have this back drop of God that is hard to get rid of. It's wonderful what programming by a culture at an early age can do...
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Re: I still think it's all bullshit... [Re: theuser]
#5593254 - 05/05/06 08:53 AM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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i agree the right way to find god is your own way. It seems like far fewer people are interested in organised religion, at least in Australia.
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Re: I still think it's all bullshit... [Re: theuser]
#5608275 - 05/09/06 11:07 AM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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theolduser said: I was an alterboy when I was a kid in the Catholic Church. I just don't see it. God and Jesus and all that stuff was in my childhood. I just don't think the historical or magical parts about the bible are right and it blows my mind that other people do.
Forget catholics and their teachnigs...
but when you think about everything in the Bible, Koran, Talmud, and countless aincient mythologies in the certain context and from the certain angle, it all snaps together and makes sense. Forget about cults, churches etc, and just read for fun, and think about it. I think you can't see the bigger picture until you combine Koran, Veda books, greek mythology etc.
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Re: I still think it's all bullshit... [Re: Atemi]
#5608658 - 05/09/06 12:50 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Atemi said: Especially catholocism, lets stick dinosaurs in the bible lollerskates, the one man who is saved from soddom and gomorrah pimps his children to roman soldiers to save his own life a few chapters earlier, the whole idea is just beyond contempt.
Catholicism is probably one of the more enlightened religion out there. Not to say they are perfect. I believe that the catholic church did agree that evolution exists, and the storis in the bible, especially the old testament, are more symbolic. I could be wrong, and if so call me out on it. Peace
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Re: I still think it's all bullshit... [Re: EmptySpace]
#5609110 - 05/09/06 02:54 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Atemi said: Especially catholocism, lets stick dinosaurs in the bible lollerskates, the one man who is saved from soddom and gomorrah pimps his children to roman soldiers to save his own life a few chapters earlier, the whole idea is just beyond contempt.
Catholicism is probably one of the more enlightened religion out there. Not to say they are perfect. I believe that the catholic church did agree that evolution exists, and the storis in the bible, especially the old testament, are more symbolic. I could be wrong, and if so call me out on it. Peace
Catholicism is the most commercial religion, it always shapes itself in a form acceptable to the public. Catholic church has little to do with aincient christian teachings, it's a political institution.
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Re: I still think it's all bullshit... [Re: OldWoodSpecter]
#5611048 - 05/09/06 11:44 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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If we all lived 200 years ago and said these things, you would be hunted down for being radicals debasing the rule and authority of the established roman church, which reveals their oppressed tyranny. For me, it all becomes a ritualistic experience of spirituality (which I wonder if even occurs), instead of the more personal, sacred understanding and adoption of it into daily life. I disagree with the notion that this form of religion is proposed to bring its followers closer to God and heavenly enlightment. I once had a Catholic man tell me that he before others in various faiths would be chosen first to take the stairway into heaven. Not to suggest the ludicricy was fluent amoung them all...only the ones who self ritcheously glorify themselves before their brothers and sisters.
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Re: I still think it's all bullshit... [Re: OldWoodSpecter]
#5622436 - 05/12/06 07:35 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Catholicism is probably one of the more enlightened religion out there. Not to say they are perfect. I believe that the catholic church did agree that evolution exists, and the stories in the bible, especially the old testament, are more symbolic. I could be wrong, and if so call me out on it. Peace
Well Ive had a look around, the catholic church doesn't specifically require that you deny evolution, didn't stop them burning hundreds, nay thousands of people for it tho, not to mention the torture...
And as for them being enlightened, i hardly call giving food to Africans in exchange for them following the religion and not using condoms, forcing a massive aids epidemic enlightened, as a matter of fact the word i would choose to describe this, and the catholic church in general is barbarous in its classical definition.
FYI; Definitions of barbarous on the Web:
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Barbarous: (of persons or their actions) able or disposed to inflict pain or suffering; "a barbarous crime"; "brutal beatings"; "cruel tortures"; "Stalin's roughshod treatment of the kulaks"; "a savage slap"; "vicious kicks"
primitive in customs and culture
wordnet.princeton.edu/perl/webwn
also, i love this quote lol:
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Much less has been defined as to when the universe, life, and man appeared. The Church has infallibly determined that the universe is of finite age—that it has not existed from all eternity—but it has not infallibly defined whether the world was created only a few thousand years ago or whether it was created several billion years ago.
i mean just lol, LOL.
Also, you say that the bible is only meant to be taken symbolically, i hear that from a lot of catholics who are also gay haters, who will quote passages from the bible and take them literally, and then in the same breath tell me that the bible is symbolic. You cant just pick and choose the phrases you like and say thats the one thats literal because i agree with it, and this is symbolic because its nonsense. Its either symbolic or its literal, you cant have both.
And if the whole things symbolic, what you have isn't a religion, its a story, and not a very good story, characters with only 1 way of acting, , lots of filler - kinda like a kiddy being told u gotta make your bit 100000 words, i.e Adam begat whoever begat jacob begat whoever and so on and so on till your mind bleeds.
And what shall we take symbolically from Sodom and Gomorrah, where the only man saved previously pimps his daughters to roman soldiers just to save his own hide, are those in child pornography rings to be saved in the next Armageddon>?
what shall we take symbolically from a god who would put the fruit in the garden of eden if he didn't want Adam or eve to eat it, that he likes to bait people? He likes to play with us?
Catholicism is an awful awful thing. My quote above was taken from http://www.catholic.com/, id like to close with one of my favorite quotes, from a man who really knew his stuff.
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I call Christianity the one great curse, the one great intrinsic depravity, the one great instinct for revenge for which no expedient is sufficiently poisonous, secret, subterranean, petty -- I call it the one mortal blemish of mankind.
- Friedrich Nietzsche
edited to add: i apologise for turning this into an argument, upon reading the forum description i realise that this isnt really allowed, although the whole tone of this thread is a bit argumentative for this forum, perhaps we could get it moved to the philosophy forum?
Edited by Atemi (05/12/06 08:12 PM)
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Re: I still think it's all bullshit... [Re: Atemi]
#5623839 - 05/13/06 09:24 AM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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what shall we take symbolically from a god who would put the fruit in the garden of eden if he didn't want Adam or eve to eat it, that he likes to bait people? He likes to play with us?
To test us.
If you make a car, how are you going to test his strength? Smash it in the wall and see how it works. If it does work, then you consider buying it for yourself.
That's pretty much how things are with god and his people. Test how strong are they, and if they work fine, take them in the end for the new earth. The ones that don't seem to work, try to mend them, if it doesn't work, wipe the table to make room for other things.
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Re: I still think it's all bullshit... [Re: OldWoodSpecter]
#5641094 - 05/17/06 07:56 AM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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lets apply this doctrine to the religion then, causes an aid epidemic in africa, burns thousands at the stake for witchcraft, move around pedophiles to protect the reputation of the church, has become a multi million dollar industery for tv avengelists, has caused the slaughter of thousands of "heathens", still believes that the world might be 6000 years old, is trying to add dinosaurs to the bibls in noahs ark to explain fossils, is used by millions everywhere as a reason to be bigoted, hateful and sometimes to kill others.
Well crash test over, is this the religion for me? i think not.
also, what do you take symbolically from the survivor of soddom and gomorah then?
Edited by Atemi (05/17/06 10:46 AM)
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Re: I still think it's all bullshit... [Re: theuser]
#5641102 - 05/17/06 08:03 AM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Mythology is an interesting topic. How Bible believers can deride Roman, Greek and various other pagan mythologies and yet continue to blindly believe the drivel originating from a bunch of stone wielding illiterate tribal folk is beyond me.
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Re: I still think it's all bullshit... [Re: Skeptikos]
#5649125 - 05/19/06 04:38 AM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Allegory is understandable even by a bunch of stone wielding illiterate tribal folk. Shamans are tribal folk. Tribal folk accept and respect shrooms.
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Re: I still think it's all bullshit... [Re: soulcircus]
#5650290 - 05/19/06 01:40 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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I think I'm going to keep doing what I'm doing for now. Drugs, cash, cars and sex.
It seems to be working, it's a little rough NOW but that's cause my car fell apart and I'm moving.

Maybe I'll try this God shit out again later on. 35+ or something.
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