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Re: Why are magic mushrooms illegal? [Re: theuser]
    #5588921 - 05/04/06 02:07 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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Becuase if not used properly many very bad things can happen.




You don't actually agree with that, do you? Everything from strychnine, cigarettes, alcohol, hand guns, and fast food can be misused and "very bad things will happen" ,but that doesn't stop them from being legal in most cases.


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Re: Why are magic mushrooms illegal? [Re: Burke Dennings]
    #5588934 - 05/04/06 02:11 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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There is no logical reason for any drug to be made illegal.




Agreed. When you really think about it there is no reason why they should be. In fact, I encourage someone to come up with a good reason why any drugs (not just psychedelics) should be, because I would like to hear it.


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Re: Why are magic mushrooms illegal? [Re: monamine]
    #5588938 - 05/04/06 02:12 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Mmmmm... hrmmm..

Alcohol is a nasty one. The rest of those don't change your perception of reality. Don't argue that shrooms can be very dangerous. They can be if not used properly.

I'm not against shrooms. :shrug: I was just piping in like I do...


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Re: Why are magic mushrooms illegal? [Re: monamine]
    #5588944 - 05/04/06 02:16 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Personally I think it's because of the threat they pose to social order. It's got nothing to do with inspiring unwanted questions or unearthing concealed truths. If mushrooms were legal, a percentage of the population would become content with what they have. They would cease to strive for what they will never acquire, making it harder for the government to control and manipulate them. It fucks up the capitalist ideals, and causes (in the grand scheme of things) antisocial behaviour.


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Re: Why are magic mushrooms illegal? [Re: Akamatsu]
    #5588948 - 05/04/06 02:19 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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Personally I think it's because of the threat they pose to social order. It's got nothing to do with inspiring unwanted questions or unearthing concealed truths. If mushrooms were legal, a percentage of the population would become content with what they have. They would cease to strive for what they will never acquire, making it harder for the government to control and manipulate them. It fucks up the capitalist ideals, and causes (in the grand scheme of things) antisocial behaviour.




IMO that arguement basically falls under #1 and #2 of my above post.


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Re: Why are magic mushrooms illegal? [Re: theuser]
    #5588953 - 05/04/06 02:22 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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Mmmmm... hrmmm..

Alcohol is a nasty one. The rest of those don't change your perception of reality. Don't argue that shrooms can be very dangerous. They can be if not used properly.

I'm not against shrooms. :shrug: I was just piping in like I do...




I don't care if psilocybin molecules make peoples brain's melt on contact. No one has the right to tell me what I can or cannot do if I am not directly harming them in any way.

Guns and strychine misused by homicide or suicide will end life. I can't really think of anything more mind altering.


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Re: Why are magic mushrooms illegal? [Re: monamine]
    #5588969 - 05/04/06 02:32 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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I don't care if psilocybin molecules make peoples brain's melt on contact. No one has the right to tell me what I can or cannot do if I am not directly harming them in any way.




If that's your attitude then you can't expect society to support you when you start experiencing health problems associated with substance abuse. The problems stems from the lack of responsibility, a small proportion will always ruin it for the rest of us and then expect us to bail them out once they stop having fun. In any case, the legal status of mushrooms has no effect on the responsible user.


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Re: Why are magic mushrooms illegal? [Re: Akamatsu]
    #5588979 - 05/04/06 02:37 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

But mushrooms are illegal all over the world. Even in Holland. SO what the fuck.

Some places have legal weed.


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Re: Why are magic mushrooms illegal? [Re: monamine]
    #5588982 - 05/04/06 02:39 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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Mmmmm... hrmmm..

Alcohol is a nasty one. The rest of those don't change your perception of reality. Don't argue that shrooms can be very dangerous. They can be if not used properly.

I'm not against shrooms. :shrug: I was just piping in like I do...




I don't care if psilocybin molecules make peoples brain's melt on contact. No one has the right to tell me what I can or cannot do if I am not directly harming them in any way.

Guns and strychine misused by homicide or suicide will end life. I can't really think of anything more mind altering.




but you (the avg person) could abuse them or use them with out knowing  about them or...


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Re: Why are magic mushrooms illegal? [Re: Akamatsu]
    #5588999 - 05/04/06 02:53 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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I don't care if psilocybin molecules make peoples brain's melt on contact. No one has the right to tell me what I can or cannot do if I am not directly harming them in any way.




If that's your attitude then you can't expect society to support you when you start experiencing health problems associated with substance abuse. The problems stems from the lack of responsibility, a small proportion will always ruin it for the rest of us and then expect us to bail them out once they stop having fun. In any case, the legal status of mushrooms has no effect on the responsible user.




Again what right do you have to tell me what to put into my body?

Even if drugs were as bad as all the anti drug zealots make them out to be, why would making them illega still make sense (because it's obviously working so well right now). Putting all that money in drug treatment or other medical options makes too much sense,doesn't it? (sarcasm)

How does the legal status not have an effect on the responsible user? Responsible users will get thrown in "rape me in the ass" prison all the same as anyone else.


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Re: Why are magic mushrooms illegal? [Re: monamine]
    #5589003 - 05/04/06 03:02 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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monamine said:
I don't care if psilocybin molecules make peoples brain's melt on contact. No one has the right to tell me what I can or cannot do if I am not directly harming them in any way.




If that's your attitude then you can't expect society to support you when you start experiencing health problems associated with substance abuse. The problems stems from the lack of responsibility, a small proportion will always ruin it for the rest of us and then expect us to bail them out once they stop having fun. In any case, the legal status of mushrooms has no effect on the responsible user.




Again what right do you have to tell me what to put into my body?

Even if drugs were as bad as all the anti drug zealots make them out to be, why would making them illegal still make sense (because it's obviously working so well right now). Putting all that money in drug treatment or other medical options makes too much sense,doesn't it? (sarcasm)

How does the legal status not have an effect on the responsible user? Responsible users will get thrown in "rape me in the ass" prison all the same as anyone else.




The laws do need to be eased, education even at a young age is needed. So kids don't do them.

Perhaps a new kind of treatment center is needed for the addicted or recovering. Urine tests or jail rule. Most will choose to stop for a while so they can see that they can not use drugs appropriately. They need to know if THEY can handle the use of drugs.



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Re: Why are magic mushrooms illegal? [Re: monamine]
    #5589030 - 05/04/06 03:30 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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Again what right do you have to tell me what to put into my body?




Because it doesn't just affect you.  You are reliant on society for your basic needs, and in doing so you are expected to give something back (in the form of taxes and services).  The government has an invested interest in those returns.  The notion that you are independent of everyone else is an illusion.


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How does the legal status not have an effect on the responsible user? Responsible users will get thrown in "rape me in the ass" prison all the same as anyone else.




Because the responsible user is smart enough not to get caught  :wink:


In all seriousness, I don’t mind that mushrooms are illegal.  Just look at alcohol, could you imagine what would happen if that bunch started shrooming?  While there are still a lot of people who use shrooms for the wrong reasons, the amount of people who use them because they’re smart enough to research the effects themselves is increasing rapidly.  If you're ignorant enough to believe the government propaganda against drugs, you probably wouldn't get much out of shrooms anyway.


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Re: Why are magic mushrooms illegal? [Re: Akamatsu]
    #5589041 - 05/04/06 03:46 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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monamine said:
Again what right do you have to tell me what to put into my body?




Because it doesn't just affect you.  You are reliant on society for your basic needs, and in doing so you are expected to give something back (in the form of taxes and services).  The government has an invested interest in those returns.  The notion that you are independent of everyone else is an illusion.


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How does the legal status not have an effect on the responsible user? Responsible users will get thrown in "rape me in the ass" prison all the same as anyone else.




Because the responsible user is smart enough not to get caught  :wink:


In all seriousness, I don’t mind that mushrooms are illegal.  Just look at alcohol, could you imagine what would happen if that bunch started shrooming?  While there are still a lot of people who use shrooms for the wrong reasons, the amount of people who use them because they’re smart enough to research the effects themselves is increasing rapidly.  If you're ignorant enough to believe the government propaganda against drugs, you probably wouldn't get much out of shrooms anyway.



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Re: Why are magic mushrooms illegal? [Re: NeoQ]
    #5589139 - 05/04/06 05:55 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

drugs are bad mmkay.

people believe drugs are bad because government told them they are bad. and the people want to be protected from that which is bad. and they want to see the government protecting them. so the government now feels it needs to do what is expected of them and fight drug users. also its a way of showing the people that the government is actually doing something. they dont want us to see how they have failed in so many things, so they find a way to mask it up by doing something else which is "protecting" us. its all just a cover up...

along with this, parents fear for their children to the extent that they will try to control the environment around them to protect their child. if a drug is to enter her childs environment, instead of taking him out of that environment, or instead of educating him about that drug, she will try to alter the environment to fit her beliefs.

im all for kids not getting their hands on drugs because yes, alot of young kids dont understand how dangerous some of them can be. but that doesnt mean i think we should send an adult to jail for using that drug. for selling it to my child, sure. for trying to persuade my child to take it, sure. for trying to force my child to take it, sure. but if he takes it himself without harming my child, then what do i care.

its the insecurities of families because of false information which has been fed to them by the government and even more, the church.


btw, jsut thought id mention this, when in europe i had a few friends from holland, and none of them smoked weed... they didnt smoke cigarettes either, and rarely drank. instead they all did alot of sports. and accordign to them, its much more rare to find alot of drug use in schools. kids jsut arent as interested as they are in other countries. instead they play sports! (btw, the holland soccer team is damn good, along with having some of the best kickboxers).
this is about weed sure, but i think the general idea of this is universal.

this makes me think that drugs being illegal makes kids more curious about them and want to try them. it also gives them a sense of rebellion when they can take stuff they are told not to. by having it legal and not making such a enormous fuss about it they lose interest.

now why does holland have a ban on mushrooms?! i have no idea... them of all people... i had assumed they were legal there... so had all my friends!
are you sure they are not legal in holland?!

and england had the legal until recently... wtf. i think the only reason they made them illegal was because more people are using them recently and since they are thought altering or whatever, they would be categorized with weed, and seeing as how weed is illegal they dont want people protesting and saying they should both be legal or that by forgetting to illegalize shrooms they are not doing their job or whatever... i dont know...


sorry for the long post, i cant sleep and got caught up in my little rant/search what ever this is... :ashamed:


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Re: Why are magic mushrooms illegal? [Re: eligal]
    #14440052 - 05/12/11 12:53 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

I just believe that the governemnt loves to get involved too much with our affairs.. They like to be the first to say what's safe and what isn't according to their specialists.. They don't want to see a bunch of spiritualists and philosophers running around and questioning what is our purpose in life because that would cause "social disorder." They prefer true 100% patriotic and loyal servants to work long hours, get paid, and bring money back to their government. So, it's all about control, money and power.


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Re: Why are magic mushrooms illegal? [Re: mesoamerican]
    #14440080 - 05/12/11 12:58 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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Re: Why are magic mushrooms illegal? [Re: Akamatsu]
    #14440194 - 05/12/11 01:27 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

lol it's always from new users who don't check the date....
although, this is a worthwhile topic :thumbup:

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Personally I think it's because of the threat they pose to social order.  It's got nothing to do with inspiring unwanted questions or unearthing concealed truths.  If mushrooms were legal, a percentage of the population would become content with what they have.  They would cease to strive for what they will never acquire, making it harder for the government to control and manipulate them.  It fucks up the capitalist ideals, and causes (in the grand scheme of things) antisocial behaviour.




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